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As another commenter noted, this is data from the German online shop MindFactory, which could be understood as the German equivalent to NewEgg. MindFactory woul
by lgbr 2y ago
As another commenter noted, this is data from the German online shop MindFactory, which could be understood as the German equivalent to NewEgg. MindFactory would probably overrepresent enthusiast and small business customers, and underrepresent your average consumer who would rather buy their laptop from a big box store (MediaMarkt/Saturn) or enterprise customers, who probably buy directly from Dell/Lenovo/HP/Fujitsu.
- hrtabf 2y agoYes, the CPUs listed are in the range where customers cannot perform expensive experiments (buying both Intel and AMD to test) and rely on review sites. Personally, when I first got access to an Epyc, I was underwhelmed by the performance. For numerical performance it was slightly worse than M2 or cheap old Intel processors. I'm now a bit skeptical of reviews.
- wordofx 2y ago^ things that never happened.
- echoangle 2y agoCan you say which Epyc processor? And in what benchmark it was worse than which old intel processor?
- ultrnal 2y agoI think that the current thread sentiment (downvoting and accusations of lying elsewhere), does not make it appealing to provide further details.
- bayindirh 2y agoNo, creating a throwaway account and making a superfluous claim creates the thread sentiment. There might be valid comparisons for specific Epyc generations and their Xeon counterparts. But processors are a bit like car engines. Power and torque numbers doesn't tell the whole story. Datacenter processors are optimized for different scenarios. Use the wrong processor for the wrong job, and you get abysmal performance. We have an AMD system which won't win any speed records, but that thing has enormous number of memory channels and PCIe lanes, so it's basically a semi with an extra long trailer. Fittingly, that processor lives in a storage cluster and delivers tremendous amount of I/O both in IOPS and throughput. Same processor would look silly in a compute cluster, though.
- shiroiushi 2y ago>No, creating a throwaway account and making a superfluous claim creates the thread sentiment. Maybe this is Intel's new marketing strategy. Astroturfing has been around for decades now; Microsoft was doing it in the early 2000s.
- Ragnarork 2y agoVery convenient. Or you could back up your claim with actual data.
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- bayindirh 2y agoI'd rather talk in SPEC scores if we're talking about Epyc and Xeon processors, and in TOP500 lists and national supercomputing centers, but you do you.
- ywvcbk 2y ago> and in TOP500 lists and national supercomputing centers Why would that be particularly relevant when comparing the performance of specific individual chips?
- grues-dinner 2y agoI listened to a review that said an i7 Thinkpad was cool and quiet with an 8-10 hour battery life. Fans scream at the slightest load, it's 45 degrees constantly and the battery life is 3 hours if you don't touch it and 1 hour if you do. And digging deeper, that's just normal for them. Serves me right for trusting a "real" reviewer. Should have insisted on a Framework, by the sounds of it, it would actually have at least not worse battery life.
- perbu 2y agoThanks! Even if this is only the enthusiast crowd, they're typically ahead of the curve, by a year or two, so Intel can't affort to ignore this. At some point the there will be less willingness from Dell/HP/Lenovo/Fujitsu to buy a subpar product.
- smolder 2y agoThe hatred towards intels 28x cpus from reviewers seems overblown to me. They are still pretty good chips that beat AMDs single chiplet offerings in cinebench, with decent efficiency. They're kind of just 2nd best at everything, whether thats multicore, single core, efficiency, or gaming... which to me doesn't seem bad, taken as a whole.
- guardian5x 2y agoI haven't seen much hatred. As you said they are just subpar in every metric, except maybe idle power consumption. Power consumption under load though is far superior on AMDs x3d. I guess if you look long enough, you'll always find some hate, for example Userbenchmark hates on all AMD CPUs for years and is very biased. Their latest review says the AMD CPUs are bad, cause nobody needs that much performance.
- smolder 2y agoI've seen a lot of what I would call hatred. "Intel has failed!" "285k is junk!" and so on. Just a bit more harsh and sensational than I think they should be, as opposed to giving a balanced perspective. Like I said they are not the best at any specific thing, but have better efficiency than before, still beat AMD at certain tasks, good memory controllers, and so on. With the right pricing they would be easy to recommend.
- HelloNurse 2y agoWith only two relevant brands of PC microprocessors, "second best" means "worst". Intel might be close to AMD, but rational reasons for choosing them appear to be reduced to socket compatibility with the CPU in someone's relatively recent old PC, which should allow an upgrade with the significant cost reduction of keeping the old motherboard and cooling system.
- dep_b 2y agoAlso Germans in general are more into alternatives like Firefox, Linux, etcetera as they have a healthy distrust to Big Tech. Even though if AMD is quite big itself it was more liked by a lot of enthousiasts there even when their performance was seriously lagging.
- RicoElectrico 2y agoSometimes that healthy distrust devolves into tinfoil hattery. The French also have such a distrust but I never got that neurotic vibe from them.
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoTotally baseless distrust into institutions: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerium_f%C3%BCr_Staatssicherheit https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerium_f%C3%BCr_Staatssic...
- ywvcbk 2y agoIt’s kind of hard to reconcile that with their love for unnecessary and over-bearing bureaucracy, though..
- dartos 2y agoBureaucracy is fine as long as it’s _my_ bureaucracy
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoPosted on a board dedicated to highly efficient automated for all things