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This is becoming a problem in latin america as well and you see people importing culture wars issues that are not really relevant to their local politics and fu

by cptaj 2y ago

This is becoming a problem in latin america as well and you see people importing culture wars issues that are not really relevant to their local politics and further muddying the waters and distracting from the actual issues facing them

aaomidi 2y ago
If this is in reference to Gaza, it is because the situation in Gaza is happening with US support and supplies.
- golergka 2y ago
  Wow, I did not realise that US has provided supplies to Hamas to start the war and still backs up it's denials to ceasefire proposals.
  - elzbardico 2y ago
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  - random9749832 2y ago
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    - golergka 2y ago
      Israel is clearly the moral side of this conflict. This conflict began only because Hamas attacked and captured hostages. And it only continues because Hamas refuses to let them go. I think people in other countries have trouble believing this motivation because they don't see how a country care this much about a regular citizen. But today, IDF recovered Farhan al-Qadi, and the whole country celebrates it. Can you imagine random people in US celebrating that Evan Gershkovich got release in the recent exchange with Russia? I doubt most american citizens even heard this name. This whole thing will be over when hostages are back. Whoever captured and holds them is the devil who made all of this happen.
      - rootusrootus 2y ago
        It seems like Hamas knew they could trigger an overwhelming response from Israel, and so they sacrificed innocent Palestinians to do it. They were correct, yeah? They wanted to make Israel look bad in the eyes of the world. And now we get pictures of dead Palestinian children. Israel may equate Palestinians with Hamas, but I don't think that is a universally held opinion in the rest of the world.
        golergka 2y ago
        > Israel may equate Palestinians with Hamas Does it? Israel provides them with food, water, electricity. Treats them in hospitals. Warns them about incoming strikes. I don't know any other country in the world which treats a hostile population like that in time of war. I also don't know a single other war with such a low civilian-to-combatant killed ratio. Usually it's somewhere around 9; in this war, the estimates are around 1-2.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        This whole thing will be over when hostages are back. Whoever captured and holds them is the devil who made all of this happen. There's the devil who made the hostage situation happen. And the other devil (and his allies) who made the calculated decision to allow Hamas to flourish for so long, and who apparently (now 11 months into this disaster) has never been particularly interested in resolving the hostage situation in the first place. Both are ultimately responsible, and deeply immoral.
- ben_w 2y ago
  The UK also has a problem with the right wing trying to import American "culture wars" issues for their own benefit, and it has nothing to do with Gaza — specifically, they bring in the US talking points about trans issues, using "woke" as the next step on the euphemism escalator now that "politically correct" has worn off, blaming millennials for everything, and a conspiracy theory about 15 minute cities (despite almost all of the UK being within 15 minutes of all the important things already, including the car-focused bits like Milton Keynes and small Welsh hamlets like Abermad). Still, at least it means the Tory party completely forgot about wanting to bring back the hunting of foxes on horseback.
  - some_random 2y ago
    These all seem like really bad examples, panic over trans people has some very real, very British sources and 15 minute cities (and related concepts like LTNs and the ULEZ) is not something regularly discussed in the US. Much better examples are US Southwest/Californian concerns around water scarcity being imported to places where water is not scarce, or similar concerns around emissions from electricity generation being imported to places that use high amounts of renewables/nuclear energy. Another example is civilian disarmament fear mongering switching from being about cheap handguns to "assault weapons" after DC v Heller.
    - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
      The reaction to George Floyd in UK was quite strange, with "don't shoot" protests and "defund the police", when the UK police is not even armed and gets paid like half of their American counterparts.
      - some_random 2y ago
        That's not a bad one, although issues of police brutality and overfunding definitely aren't unique to the US
        mensetmanusman 2y ago
- badosu 2y ago
  Not necessarily, for a small but very elucidativo example see the 'amigx' 'amigues' 'latinx' thing. At least Brazil has had a significant amount of levantine immigration and a few refugees recently, so it's not out of place to sympathize with the Palestines wrt the incursion
Gualdrapo 2y ago
Colombian here - that phenomenon has been present since I can remember. Lots of upstart people here wanting or feeling like they're part of the culture of the USA just because. Go to r/Colombia and see how many of those Dunning-Kruger commenting balls of ignorance profess a stupid and weird hatred for communism and socialism, and they don't even know what those words mean, let alone tell them apart. Another part of it is that the "international" section of our media is just about regurgitating whatever they say at CNN, FOX or whatever they have there, so the information almost always is arriving already biased (for example, they made here a big deal about the mishap of Biden's mental block at that debate, but they have never mentioned all the links between Trump and Epstein). Though I'd concede the phenomenon has aggravated due to social media, our hiperconnected reality and the increased amount of people moving there, legally or not.
- whatshisface 2y ago
  >weird hatred for communism and socialism Communist and socialist (by name) regimes in South America have caused more trouble for their own citizens than any leftist (by name) regime has caused for the world of capital. I don't think those posters necessarily absorbed that opinion from the US, in fact I think the US absorbed a lot of its own anticommunism from refugees. Historically it has been the business community advocating for détente and trade.
  - jawbah 2y ago
    Absolutely. What troubles me in this discourse about "socialism" is that when it's brought up it's USSR and Cuba as opposed to Scandinavia. Northern Europe countries, despite the weather and high taxation rates, consistently occupy the better part of all kinds of lists trying to assess the level of happiness and social cohesion. Of course there are other reasons for it, such as a largely mono-ethnic population, but I doubt their vast social net hurts.
- stackedinserter 2y ago
  > a stupid and weird hatred for communism and socialism Tell me, who grew up in socialism, under communists rule, why this hatred is "stupid and weird"

by cptaj 2y ago

aaomidi 2y ago

If this is in reference to Gaza, it is because the situation in Gaza is happening with US support and supplies.

golergka 2y ago
Wow, I did not realise that US has provided supplies to Hamas to start the war and still backs up it's denials to ceasefire proposals.
- elzbardico 2y ago
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- random9749832 2y ago
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  - golergka 2y ago
    Israel is clearly the moral side of this conflict. This conflict began only because Hamas attacked and captured hostages. And it only continues because Hamas refuses to let them go. I think people in other countries have trouble believing this motivation because they don't see how a country care this much about a regular citizen. But today, IDF recovered Farhan al-Qadi, and the whole country celebrates it. Can you imagine random people in US celebrating that Evan Gershkovich got release in the recent exchange with Russia? I doubt most american citizens even heard this name. This whole thing will be over when hostages are back. Whoever captured and holds them is the devil who made all of this happen.
    - rootusrootus 2y ago
      It seems like Hamas knew they could trigger an overwhelming response from Israel, and so they sacrificed innocent Palestinians to do it. They were correct, yeah? They wanted to make Israel look bad in the eyes of the world. And now we get pictures of dead Palestinian children. Israel may equate Palestinians with Hamas, but I don't think that is a universally held opinion in the rest of the world.
      - golergka 2y ago
        > Israel may equate Palestinians with Hamas Does it? Israel provides them with food, water, electricity. Treats them in hospitals. Warns them about incoming strikes. I don't know any other country in the world which treats a hostile population like that in time of war. I also don't know a single other war with such a low civilian-to-combatant killed ratio. Usually it's somewhere around 9; in this war, the estimates are around 1-2.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      This whole thing will be over when hostages are back. Whoever captured and holds them is the devil who made all of this happen. There's the devil who made the hostage situation happen. And the other devil (and his allies) who made the calculated decision to allow Hamas to flourish for so long, and who apparently (now 11 months into this disaster) has never been particularly interested in resolving the hostage situation in the first place. Both are ultimately responsible, and deeply immoral.
ben_w 2y ago
The UK also has a problem with the right wing trying to import American "culture wars" issues for their own benefit, and it has nothing to do with Gaza — specifically, they bring in the US talking points about trans issues, using "woke" as the next step on the euphemism escalator now that "politically correct" has worn off, blaming millennials for everything, and a conspiracy theory about 15 minute cities (despite almost all of the UK being within 15 minutes of all the important things already, including the car-focused bits like Milton Keynes and small Welsh hamlets like Abermad). Still, at least it means the Tory party completely forgot about wanting to bring back the hunting of foxes on horseback.
- some_random 2y ago
  These all seem like really bad examples, panic over trans people has some very real, very British sources and 15 minute cities (and related concepts like LTNs and the ULEZ) is not something regularly discussed in the US. Much better examples are US Southwest/Californian concerns around water scarcity being imported to places where water is not scarce, or similar concerns around emissions from electricity generation being imported to places that use high amounts of renewables/nuclear energy. Another example is civilian disarmament fear mongering switching from being about cheap handguns to "assault weapons" after DC v Heller.
  - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
    The reaction to George Floyd in UK was quite strange, with "don't shoot" protests and "defund the police", when the UK police is not even armed and gets paid like half of their American counterparts.
    - some_random 2y ago
      That's not a bad one, although issues of police brutality and overfunding definitely aren't unique to the US
      - mensetmanusman 2y ago
badosu 2y ago
Not necessarily, for a small but very elucidativo example see the 'amigx' 'amigues' 'latinx' thing. At least Brazil has had a significant amount of levantine immigration and a few refugees recently, so it's not out of place to sympathize with the Palestines wrt the incursion

Gualdrapo 2y ago

Colombian here - that phenomenon has been present since I can remember. Lots of upstart people here wanting or feeling like they're part of the culture of the USA just because. Go to r/Colombia and see how many of those Dunning-Kruger commenting balls of ignorance profess a stupid and weird hatred for communism and socialism, and they don't even know what those words mean, let alone tell them apart. Another part of it is that the "international" section of our media is just about regurgitating whatever they say at CNN, FOX or whatever they have there, so the information almost always is arriving already biased (for example, they made here a big deal about the mishap of Biden's mental block at that debate, but they have never mentioned all the links between Trump and Epstein). Though I'd concede the phenomenon has aggravated due to social media, our hiperconnected reality and the increased amount of people moving there, legally or not.

whatshisface 2y ago
>weird hatred for communism and socialism Communist and socialist (by name) regimes in South America have caused more trouble for their own citizens than any leftist (by name) regime has caused for the world of capital. I don't think those posters necessarily absorbed that opinion from the US, in fact I think the US absorbed a lot of its own anticommunism from refugees. Historically it has been the business community advocating for détente and trade.
- jawbah 2y ago
  Absolutely. What troubles me in this discourse about "socialism" is that when it's brought up it's USSR and Cuba as opposed to Scandinavia. Northern Europe countries, despite the weather and high taxation rates, consistently occupy the better part of all kinds of lists trying to assess the level of happiness and social cohesion. Of course there are other reasons for it, such as a largely mono-ethnic population, but I doubt their vast social net hurts.
stackedinserter 2y ago
> a stupid and weird hatred for communism and socialism Tell me, who grew up in socialism, under communists rule, why this hatred is "stupid and weird"