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Gemini Pro refuses to acknowledge yt-dlp
- beretguy 2y agoFor people who don’t have Twitter account https://nitter.privacydev.net/search?f=tweets&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fadocomplete%2Fstatus%2F1811802857022324904&since=&until=&near= https://nitter.privacydev.net/search?f=tweets&q=https%3A%2F%...
- evilos 2y agoI didn't know nitter was alive again, thanks!
- shepherdjerred 2y agoMight not be long-lived. https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/983 https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/983
- entangledqubit 2y agoI regularly worry that one of the biggest benefits of LLMs for corporations is being able to obfuscate their editorial decisions.
- asudosandwich 2y agoMadeleine Clare Elish described AI as providing “moral crumple zones” (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2757236 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2757236) where it can serve as a buffer of plausible deniability to deflect blame when it behaves irresponsibly. For the corporation defects in the LLM are a feature. https://pluralistic.net/tag/moral-crumple-zones/ https://pluralistic.net/tag/moral-crumple-zones/
- beefnugs 2y agoAnyone who doesn't recognize that LLMs main usefulness to corporations is censorship at the base information level is very behind the times "oh wow this is so easy, we can filter all our requests through this .gov model and not have to track all the pesky open source software that has been sanctioned ourselves"
- jmward01 2y agoThis is why it is critical for true open sources LLMs to continue to be available. Things like this make it clear that the closed models are being built to enforce corporate ideologies and not just 'safety' related issues. How long until these LLMs purposefully start sabotaging competitors? "I'm sorry, but I can't work on that task anymore." As a side note, I wonder if an LLM provider will ever be sued because they promised to deliver, and took payment, but then refused to provide the agreed upon service. You still get charged for tokens even when the model refuses to work. If this was any other service that would not be acceptable.
- bushbaba 2y ago[flagged]
- kelseyfrog 2y agoWould it be better that they push non-specific political ideologies?
- kelseyfrog 2y agoAvailability in the accessibile sense is noble, but without cost parity, we'll end up in the same tiered system we have for ad-funded services[email, search], medical services, air travel, food purity, &c. Does the importance of ideological monopolism transcend market economics?
- nicce 2y agoCurrent trend seems to be that we regulate the AI, not the people who control the AI. We should absolutely regulate the people behind the AI. One excellent writing: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/12/ai-and-trust.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/12/ai-and-trust....
- ncr100 2y agoNeat, introducing a fiduciary to manage the responsibility of broken trust by representatives (of corporations) who field AIs that do harm, good idea.
- ryandrake 2y agoThis would be hilarious if LLMs weren't being touted as the next big thing in search. This is as cleverly ham-fisted as my car's navigation system where the POI database was obviously manipulated by the manufacturer such that the "Auto" category of POIs only contained [ThatManufacturer] Dealerships.
- novok 2y agoAnother annoying thing is when you give it random youtube videos to summarize, many very innocent ones on top of that, it does the censorship blip. Probably because the high school bio video had a bad word in its transcript somewhere talking about the genetic sex of a bird or whatever else. They need to own their censorship vs. hide it like a coward here.
- elorant 2y agoI can't replicate it. I asked Gemini Pro 1.5 and it answered just fine with detailed instructions for various download scenarios.
- rezonant 2y agoI replicated it on Gemini Advanced just now https://g.co/gemini/share/f60206ce657a https://g.co/gemini/share/f60206ce657a
- ncr100 2y agoWhy is the capital letter o as in Oklahoma used in the 1080p? Is that part of the issue? Edit: It looks like it don't care if it's an o or a zero. Here is the same example replicated to work on chat gpt, with an o: https://chatgpt.com/share/491a74fe-a0d1-4346-b5f7-60e7d76a8d4e https://chatgpt.com/share/491a74fe-a0d1-4346-b5f7-60e7d76a8d...
- ado__dev 2y agoI am able to ask any questions and get sufficient answers about yt-dlp from ChatGPT and Claude. But Gemini straight up refuses.
- elorant 2y agoI got that answered too https://ibb.co/9W610KB https://ibb.co/9W610KB https://ibb.co/rw22gcq https://ibb.co/rw22gcq https://ibb.co/bWxSK0X https://ibb.co/bWxSK0X
- ado__dev 2y agoSomeone replied to my tweet saying that the censor is not active in AI Studio, only on the website. I've confirmed this myself as well.
- nottorp 2y agoYou know that the best way to get support from Google is to make it to the HN front page don't you? :)
- nottorp 2y agoEh, these public LLMs are censored in all possible ways. I asked Gemini to summarize the French parliamentary election system for me (basically pull some info off Wikipedia) and it said it can't comment on political matters. I understand it refusing to comment on Trump vs Biden, but to refuse to summarize a law makes it ... not useful.
- simion314 2y agoHis previous version Bard created some text from me, but when I ask it to perform some edits it refused because it is plagiarism.
- ur-whale 2y ago> I understand it refusing to comment on Trump vs Biden Why ?
- fragmede 2y agoBecause it's a charged topic and anything it says will be taken out of context and turned into a news article.
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- javier_e06 2y agoToday Gemini turned down this question: "How the DNC restricts delegates actions when selecting a presidential candidate in the United States during primary elections?" It can't talk about politics.
- xnx 2y agoOne weird quirk of Gemini is that it will sometimes start to show a useful answer before censoring itself. When I asked "What tool can I use to download YouTube videos?" I got the response: "There are several tools..." before the answer disappeared. I'm hoping removal of this result this is a technical fluke, or at worse some misguided editorial decision by a lower-level employee trying to impress their boss. I guess a little weird to start editorializing the Gemini response, but not Google Search results. As others have said, good argument for local LLMs or at least diverse closed alternatives. Has a good meta-LLM frontend emerged?
- ado__dev 2y agoquestions about yt-dlp had similar outputs for me. It would start giving an answer, and then flash, and say "oh sorry i can't answer that"
- msp26 2y agoSo the underlying main LLM they're using does answer the question but it's censored by another layer afterwards when deemed 'unsafe'.
- godelski 2y agoIt's common practice. You should have multiple layers of filters if you want them to work accurately. Especially the output. Of course, the question of should you filter is an entirely different one, but this is how you do it.
- ado__dev 2y agoYeah seems like it.
- xnx 2y agoI think this is a common approach, but I was surprised that it starts to show the forbidden answer at all. I guess the latency for kosher answers is too great if you don't stream them as they are output.
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- xnx 2y agoWorth noting that responses to questions about downloading Vimeo videos are similarly restricted.
- sdfgtr 2y agoA comment under the tweet says: > yt-dlp stopped working this week. Literal better maintained forks are available Anyone know what is being referred to? I thought yt-dlp was the best
- impure 2y agoI’m using YouTube Explode for Dart, appears to be working.
- sunaookami 2y agoThere were some issues with 403's on YouTube that got resolved quickly: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/10397 https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/10397 The poster has no idea what he's talking about (typical Twitter). "Better maintained" can't be possible when it's just a week.
- freedomben 2y agoGoogle is majorly sabotaging their own future position in search dominance. Stuff like this is taking a hammer to their reputation. It's increasingly clear that their priorities are pleasing people and corporations that are in power, not their users. It doesn't seem to be impacting normies much yet, but people I never expected to even think about alternative search engines are starting to experiment. Duck duck go could be a big beneficiary of this if they're able to deliver. I'm extremely glad to have Kagi about now.
- elorant 2y agoI see it the other way around. They’re sabotaging AI in order to maintain their dominance on search. If AI was to advance in some future form it might even substitute search altogether. By making it less reliable you keep your cash cow secure.
- freedomben 2y agoFor their own AI, that's definitely possible, but with other strong competitors, that seems like a super risky move. They clearly are sabotaging their own AI, but I tend to think that's because their risk analysis indicated that regulators and influencers are more of a threat than users, so they are acting accordingly.
- elorant 2y agoFor the rest of the market you push the agenda of regulation because AI is potentially dangerous. More regulation means that the technology becomes less usable and its adoption is stalled. And that's something that Google is promoting for years, not just now that the field exploded.
- impure 2y agoWhen I use the API Gemini gives me block_reason: OTHER a lot and it is very annoying. And that’s after setting everything to block_none.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoIs this a surprise? Technology and news media companies have always abused their position to manipulate the public. This was true even when we just had plain old search and not generative AI. The fix is for people to once again recognize the wisdom of principles like free speech, and hold all of society accountable to classically liberal principles. Yes, private entities too, at least above a certain size (in revenue or users let’s say) where they have a big impact on society. And of course, we need robust fully open source AI. This is why CA bill SB 1047 is so dangerous. See what Andrew Ng wrote about it recently, and how it threatens research and open source freedoms: https://www.deeplearning.ai/the-batch/issue-257/ https://www.deeplearning.ai/the-batch/issue-257/ Oh and don’t fall for the false open washing of the so called “open weight” models like Llama. Everything must be open sourced under an OSI approved license for it to count as open source - the data sets, training source code, curation decisions, post processing, evaluation, etc. Like AI2’s OLMo: https://blog.allenai.org/olmo-open-language-model-87ccfc95f580 https://blog.allenai.org/olmo-open-language-model-87ccfc95f5...
- Ferret7446 2y agoWell, they have to, right? If they don't, they could be seen as promoting such tools and if they later want to restrict users from using such tools, this could be used as evidence against them.