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Maybe this is unrelated but I refuse to do facial ID, or any type of facial verification. I don't want my phone, or any device that I am using, to record or ana
by Ajay-p 2y ago
Maybe this is unrelated but I refuse to do facial ID, or any type of facial verification. I don't want my phone, or any device that I am using, to record or analyze my features. Maybe that is nit picking a little but I am uncomfortable with all of it.
- agtech_andy 2y agoIf you think this way, you should be covering up the camera lenses on all of your devices. It is happening everywhere already.
- wanderingstan 2y agoThe problem is that the face is critical to “normal” interactions. Thus the ChatGPT demo of using the camera to determine if you are speaking to it (or to someone else) to choose whether to respond. If talking with AI becomes more mainstream, face detection will (at first) make the experience better.
- shmeeed 2y agoYou are not alone. And the day some manufacturer's database with 1.8 billion sets of facial data is going to get hacked and exposed, I'll feel pretty smug about it.
- ryaneager 2y agoExcept for the fact that Face ID is completely on device in the secure enclave and not even Apple can access the data stored there soooooo…..
- shmeeed 2y agoThat's sure cool for Face ID. Now all that's missing is the same level of faith in all the rest.
- dwighttk 2y agoWho has ~1.8 billion centrally stored faces?
- dylan604 2y agoFacebook
- vundercind 2y agoSome retailers are probably not far off.
- HnUser12 2y agoIndian government does. Fortunately not face scans. But pictures, retinal scan and fingerprints.
- BoorishBears 2y agoDoes that mean you're ok with Face ID?
- MrDrMcCoy 2y agoStoring the biometric data securely in the digital enclave only covers half the problem. The other half is in the form of falsifying said biometrics to gain access to a device, or physically forcing the actual person to unlock it against their will. With keys that are only stored in my mind, I have the ability to consciously decide that access should or should not be granted.
- Electricniko 2y ago"Scan complete. Smug look on face detected."
- throwaway14356 2y ago12.4% antisemite - DANGER
- frizlab 2y agoI don’t know for other brands but for FaceID the biometric data literally never leave the device…
- Renaud 2y agoWhat do you object to exactly if the biometric data is on device only? I’m not sure what is the privacy risk there. The apps that authenticate you don’t have access to biometric data. The main risk I see is if that data was compromised and made available for something else, but I haven’t seen any breach of that that ended up being useful for anything? Or maybe I missed something?
- jzb 2y agoSome folks may find collecting biometric data inherently creepy. I mean, yeah, there's also "what might happen when* it's leaked" but ... I just don't like it. It feels maximally invasive. * These days, I'd assume when, not if.
- kjs3 2y agoYou can change a password, you can't change your face. Agreed that we have yet to see the mass-hack based on biometric data that generates the ohshit moment, but from a risk perspective 'it hasn't happened yet' is cold comfort.
- exe34 2y ago> you can't change your face if you get involved with the wrong/right sort of people, they might do it for you
- catlikesshrimp 2y agoI would rather change my password. Easier, faster, less painful. And it doesn't affect how others perceive me.
- giantrobot 2y agoThe biometric data is not your password. It's used to unlock a session token. Getting that session token requires a "what you know" password. There's lots of events that invalidate that session token not the least of which on phones is multiple presses on the lock button (on iOS at least).
- kypro 2y agoIf it's on device and the output is hashed I don't see much of a problem with it. I guess the question would be whether you can trust big tech companies / governments not to have some backdoor to the raw data and what your concern would be if they did have that data. Here in the UK face ID is pretty common place so I must admit my phone having this data is probably the least of my concerns. For example, one guy I know can't buy his own groceries anymore because he stole some food products from one of our major supermarkets, and since all major supermarkets in the UK have linked facial id systems he's now effectively banned from all supermarkets lmao.
- mamcx 2y agohttp://mercadolibre.com http://mercadolibre.com force this and I hate it so much.
- akira2501 2y agoThere are plenty of ways for anyone to get a picture of my face. In particular, the State has a copy of my photograph, and almost certainly full motion video of me in the DMV getting said license. I just don't like the fact that my face becomes a password. I'm usually not in a position to _obscure_ my face, so I have no chances to decide if my face should act as a password in any given moment or not. So, if you hold the phone up to my face, and I look at it, it just unlocks. That's the opposite of "security."
- TylerE 2y agoanyone in a position to do that is in position to torture you the old fashioned way. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/
- akira2501 2y agoI think xkcd has never been arrested by the police and had his belongings searched through illegally. There's more to be afraid of than state actors with the ability to kidnap and torture you without being held to account.
- throwaway14356 2y agocould be worth it
- bee_rider 2y agoI don’t know if that is true, nabbing somebody’s phone at a protest and pointing it at them seems like the sort of thing a cop could get away with at a protest for example. It must be illegal, but in the hustle and bustle of the moment, might be hard to catch.
- pjot 2y agoIf you’re talking about someone holding an iPhone to someone’s face, there’s a setting called “attention aware” that verifies your eyes are open and looking at the phone.
- paulddraper 2y agoWhat about fingerprint?
- aadhavans 2y agoNot OP, but I think the same concerns are present here as well. If anything, I would argue that they're magnified, since fingerprints are unique. IMO, the issues surrounding biometrics stem from the fact that they define you, in a way that nothing else - not a name, not an address - can.
- 1oooqooq 2y agocongrats, grandpa you will not be able to buy a sim card in half the world, and soon in the usa.
- micahdeath 2y agoNow you can buy esim cards.
- 1oooqooq 2y agowhy do you think the process will be any different. esim only have the plastic cost for the issuer. try to buy an africel (usaid sponsored telecom in Africa) without showing up in person for a face scan. you're all to sheltered and will have no idea what hit you in the near future