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> What is striking about the allegations of plagiarism against President Gay is that the improprieties are routine and pervasive. > She is accused of plagiaris

> What is striking about the allegations of plagiarism against President Gay is that the improprieties are routine and pervasive. > She is accused of plagiarism in her dissertation and at least two of her 11 journal articles. Two sentences from the acknowledgement section of her dissertation even seem to have been copied from another work. Presuming the allegations are true, I find it interesting that it went unaddressed for so long. The matter was seemingly systematically ignored for almost 30 years until she pissed off the wrong people by allowing students to protest against Israel. Then people went digging for something to use against her and found this plagarism. From the NYTimes: > After weeks of tumult at Harvard over the university’s response to the Israel-Hamas war and the leadership of its president, Claudine Gay, there was no shortage of interest in a faculty forum with Dr. Gay this week. > In a town hall held over Zoom on Tuesday with several hundred members of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, Dr. Gay focused on how to bridge the deep divides that had emerged on campus as a result of the war, according to two people who attended and asked for confidentiality because of the sensitivity of the situation. > Faculty members who spoke up in the meeting were largely positive, and there were no questions about Dr. Gay’s academic record after public allegations of plagiarism. The matter wasn’t even raised, one professor said. > But by Thursday, new questions surrounding Dr. Gay’s scholarship had shifted to the forefront, after the university said late Wednesday that it had identified two more instances of what it called “duplicative language without appropriate attribution,” from her 1997 doctoral dissertation. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/harvard-claudine-gay-plagiarism-antisemitism-israel-palestine-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/harvard-claudine-gay-p...

nradov 3y ago
Plagiarism and research fraud are rife throughout academia. If we subjected everyone to the same level of scrutiny we would find a lot of people who have done far worse than Dr. Gay. I am hopeful that new AI tools will automate this type of investigation and find more instances of academic dishonesty.
- daft_pink 3y ago
  The president of Harvard should be subject to a higher level of scrutiny related to academic integrity than most people.
  - MiguelX413 3y ago
    Everyone should be subject to a very high level of scrutiny.
- pylua 3y ago
  The same ai tools that ironically aid in plagiarism and inability to give credit to their sources.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  Does Turnitin not meet your standards?
  - nradov 3y ago
    I haven't used Turnitin for several years. From what I recall it couldn't detect cases where the author paraphrased another work without adding any original thoughts.
enriquec 3y ago
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- db48x 3y ago
  The problem really isn’t that students at her institution support genocide. The problem is that when she asked if chanting in support of the murder of Jews was against school policy, she equivocated. She would not have equivocated if the students had been chanting that Blacks should be killed, instead of Jews.
  - mmcwilliams 3y ago
    Can you tell me the dates of the protests where you heard students chanting "Jews should be killed"?
    - unsupp0rted 3y ago
      Here’s a really in 2017 in which white nationalists didn’t chant “non-whites should be killed”. All they chanted was “you will not replace us”. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-40911744 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-40911744 In Harvard’s case, nobody chanted “kill all Jews”. All they chanted was “from the river to the sea”.
    - ejb999 3y ago
      The post said: “when she asked if chanting in support of the murder of Jews was against school policy” She said it depended on the context - do you think she would have said “it depended on the context” if ask the same question about gays or blacks?
      - mmcwilliams 3y ago
        That's asking a hypothetical about a hypothetical. The OP made a claim about chants on campus that I didn't hear.
    - bluish29 3y ago
gruez 3y ago
>Presuming the allegations are true, I find it interesting that it went unaddressed for so long. The matter was seemingly systematically ignored for almost 30 years until [...] If the recent youtube plagiarism drama[1] is anything to go by, you can do blatant plagiarism for years, get called out by randoms, and still get away with it. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ [2] https://www.vulture.com/2023/12/hbomberguy-interview-james-somerton-plagiarism.html https://www.vulture.com/2023/12/hbomberguy-interview-james-s...
bitcurious 3y ago
The plagiarism allegations were first surfaced about a year ago, entirely unrelated to Dr. Gay’s embarrassing failure to condemn antisemitism. > Over the past year, the accusations against Gay were a frequent topic of discussion including accusations that she is a serial plagiarist. https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/behind-the-campaign-to-take-down-harvards-claudine-gay-b551f4a5 https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/behind-the-campaign-to...
- OrvalWintermute 3y ago
  It isn't just her plagiarism. She has a very thin scholarly record. https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2022/12/16/the-president-has-no-clothes/ https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2022/12/16/the-president-ha... That this this thin record which she has, is apparently partially contaminated
greatpostman 3y ago
It’s all about Israel and flexing power to remove others, a warning shot to institutions about what will be tolerated. "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.“
poulsbohemian 3y ago
>Presuming the allegations are true, I find it interesting that it went unaddressed for so long. Multiple German politicians have been forced to resign decades after their dissertations, with similar accusations. It seems like it is a case of rising to a point of public renown that then leads to greater public scrutiny. In some cases, I wonder if it a fake-it-until-you-make-it situation that upon making it, causes the house of cards to collapse.
newsclues 3y ago
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nvm0n2 3y ago
> The matter was seemingly systematically ignored for almost 30 years until she pissed off the wrong people This seems to be standard in academia. The president of Stanford was found to be a fraud through work he'd done years or decades earlier, it only came to light after an undergraduate went on the attack. How did nobody notice beforehand? Turned out that the had noticed and it'd all been swept under the table.

nradov 3y ago

Plagiarism and research fraud are rife throughout academia. If we subjected everyone to the same level of scrutiny we would find a lot of people who have done far worse than Dr. Gay. I am hopeful that new AI tools will automate this type of investigation and find more instances of academic dishonesty.

daft_pink 3y ago
The president of Harvard should be subject to a higher level of scrutiny related to academic integrity than most people.
- MiguelX413 3y ago
  Everyone should be subject to a very high level of scrutiny.
pylua 3y ago
The same ai tools that ironically aid in plagiarism and inability to give credit to their sources.
AlbertCory 3y ago
Does Turnitin not meet your standards?
- nradov 3y ago
  I haven't used Turnitin for several years. From what I recall it couldn't detect cases where the author paraphrased another work without adding any original thoughts.

enriquec 3y ago

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db48x 3y ago
The problem really isn’t that students at her institution support genocide. The problem is that when she asked if chanting in support of the murder of Jews was against school policy, she equivocated. She would not have equivocated if the students had been chanting that Blacks should be killed, instead of Jews.
- mmcwilliams 3y ago
  Can you tell me the dates of the protests where you heard students chanting "Jews should be killed"?
  - unsupp0rted 3y ago
    Here’s a really in 2017 in which white nationalists didn’t chant “non-whites should be killed”. All they chanted was “you will not replace us”. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-40911744 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-40911744 In Harvard’s case, nobody chanted “kill all Jews”. All they chanted was “from the river to the sea”.
  - ejb999 3y ago
    The post said: “when she asked if chanting in support of the murder of Jews was against school policy” She said it depended on the context - do you think she would have said “it depended on the context” if ask the same question about gays or blacks?
    - mmcwilliams 3y ago
      That's asking a hypothetical about a hypothetical. The OP made a claim about chants on campus that I didn't hear.
  - bluish29 3y ago

gruez 3y ago

>Presuming the allegations are true, I find it interesting that it went unaddressed for so long. The matter was seemingly systematically ignored for almost 30 years until [...] If the recent youtube plagiarism drama[1] is anything to go by, you can do blatant plagiarism for years, get called out by randoms, and still get away with it. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ [2] https://www.vulture.com/2023/12/hbomberguy-interview-james-somerton-plagiarism.html https://www.vulture.com/2023/12/hbomberguy-interview-james-s...

bitcurious 3y ago

The plagiarism allegations were first surfaced about a year ago, entirely unrelated to Dr. Gay’s embarrassing failure to condemn antisemitism. > Over the past year, the accusations against Gay were a frequent topic of discussion including accusations that she is a serial plagiarist. https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/behind-the-campaign-to-take-down-harvards-claudine-gay-b551f4a5 https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/behind-the-campaign-to...

OrvalWintermute 3y ago
It isn't just her plagiarism. She has a very thin scholarly record. https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2022/12/16/the-president-has-no-clothes/ https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2022/12/16/the-president-ha... That this this thin record which she has, is apparently partially contaminated

greatpostman 3y ago

It’s all about Israel and flexing power to remove others, a warning shot to institutions about what will be tolerated. "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.“

poulsbohemian 3y ago

>Presuming the allegations are true, I find it interesting that it went unaddressed for so long. Multiple German politicians have been forced to resign decades after their dissertations, with similar accusations. It seems like it is a case of rising to a point of public renown that then leads to greater public scrutiny. In some cases, I wonder if it a fake-it-until-you-make-it situation that upon making it, causes the house of cards to collapse.

newsclues 3y ago

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nvm0n2 3y ago

> The matter was seemingly systematically ignored for almost 30 years until she pissed off the wrong people This seems to be standard in academia. The president of Stanford was found to be a fraud through work he'd done years or decades earlier, it only came to light after an undergraduate went on the attack. How did nobody notice beforehand? Turned out that the had noticed and it'd all been swept under the table.