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Pop_OS makes using Linux easy
- winrid 3y agoPop OS doesn't even properly support the front audio ports on my five year old motherboard. Unplugging my headphones requires restarting pipewire...
- fsflover 3y agoThey didn't promise to support every hardware in the world. You don't even say which one you have.
- wing-_-nuts 3y agopop os is xorg by default, so wouldn't that be pulse audio you're dealing with?
- winrid 3y agoNah, it uses a plugin that allows apps to interface with pipewire as if it was pulseaudio.
- boomboomsubban 3y agoxorg can use PipeWire, PulseAudio, JACK, and/or ALSA.
- wing-_-nuts 3y agoI just looked up what I was using, and it's apparently 'pulseaudio on pipewire'. You'll forgive the confusion. Still, I've not seen anything like what OP is describing. I'm sure he could hook to some sort of 'plug-in' event and auto restart it, though that does sound irritating.
- myself248 3y agoAnyone got an updated version of this graphic? https://i.stack.imgur.com/YjUTQ.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/YjUTQ.png It's surely worse in the 16 years since.
- smoldesu 3y agoThe updated version would look fairly similar, except most things would be routed to feed into either PulseAudio, ALSA or Jack. After that, it would be one big Dumb Funnel into PipeWire and out to your hardware. Also a lot of that stuff is arguably obsolete. 90% of Linux apps will just dump audio to PulseAudio, which is neatly managed through PipeWire. A few professional apps use JACK2, which is also PW managed. Everything else will default to an ALSA sink wired through, you guessed it, PipeWire. It's like a boring and remarkably stable version of the Wayland situation.
- winrid 3y agoThere is no plug-in event, that's the problem. I can see the unplug event from the kernel logs, but it never gets an event when plugging it back in.
- nluken 3y agoAudio has always been a tough spot for Linux in my experience. That said, I also have problems with MacOS too so my problem might lie somewhere between my chair and keyboard.
- winrid 3y agoI've never had audio problems on OSX. External monitors though, yeah...
- yoyohello13 3y agoThe problem is the manufacturer of your motherboard doesn't provide and/or update their drivers for Linux. I know to the end user this doesn't really make a difference, but everyone seems to blame Linux when there really isn't anything Linux devs can do about this kind of thing.
- winrid 3y agoI can blame the distro. It worked on KDE Neon which also uses pipewire, by setting a "lock configuration" option in the audio settings. Gnome and the pulse config UI don't have such an option.
- ccity88 3y agoI've been using pop on my 2017 xps for 3 years now, its amazing. Honestly the best linux experience
- agrippanux 3y agoHa! I also use it on a 2017 XPS 13, its hands down the best linux experience of the 5-ish distros I tried on the device over the years.
- timbit42 3y agoWhich distros have you tried? I've been looking for someone who has spent time using both Pop!_OS and Linux Mint to see how they find they compare.
- aendruk 3y agoThis page has an auto-playing video.
- officeplant 3y agoGood reminder to turn off auto play if your browser supports the feature. (anti-feature?) Autoplay blocking in firefox is a godsend.
- burnished 3y agoThe page was principally adds, ot was pretty obnoxious
- gibspaulding 3y agoWhen pop came out, there was a lot of speculation that System76 would find that rolling their own distro was more of a challenge than expected, but they seem to have pulled it off. I have it running on my main personal laptop and have been really impressed. It feels more specifically polished for running as a desktop OS on a laptop than Ubuntu while still getting the whole ecosystem of software.
- myself248 3y agoSeriously. I'm about as Linux-clueless as they come, and when Ubuntu ate itself during a dist-upgrade a few years back, I had no idea how to fix it so I switched to Pop. It's been nearly flawless; the bizarrely-slow antics of the Pop Shop being my only notable complaint.
- gibspaulding 3y agoThat is my one complaint as well. I forgive it since despite that it's somehow still better than Ubuntu's store.
- aero-glide2 3y agoI have been using Ubuntu for work for over 3 months now with no issues.
- duffyjp 3y agoI've been using Ubuntu since 7.04 and it's _fine_. But ubuntu-advantage, snap, ads in my motd-- It all leaves a bad taste and I'm ready for something new. I'm going to make a switch when I get a new SSD. Pop_OS is #1 on my list to try.
- mfragin 3y agoI started using Ubuntu back in Hardy Heron days (8.04). I remember attending an Ubuntu user's group meeting in Denver back then and the System76 guys were there. I was impressed by their knowledge and willingness to help others. I strayed to Mint for the last 10 years or so and only recently gave Pop_OS a try. I was delighted to see the "Welcome to Colorado" wallpaper on there right after installation. Now Pop_OS is the only distro I use. Hats off to System76 for their contribution. I recently inherited an HP All-In-One desktop that was extremely sluggish with Windows. I have yet to find anything seriously wrong with Pop_OS and feel it really strikes a good balance. Yes the Pop!_Shop is definitely the weak point. It worked great for many applications, but when it didn't I was able to install fairly painless using other options (apt-get...).
- wing-_-nuts 3y agoPopOS is a really nice distro. It's all the convenience of ubuntu with a nifty tiling extension, a good set of preloaded drivers, and no annoying 'snap' packages (they use flatpak?). I'm glad it exists, and I look forward to their work on their wayland based cosmic de
- thesurlydev 3y agoAfter years of using Ubuntu exclusively, I replaced Ubuntu with Pop OS as my daily driver and haven't looked back. It's worked flawlessly and I've enjoyed the smoothed over rough edges it provides. I'm also very much looking forward to the new window manager, Cosmic. Edit: Now if we could just get it to run on Apple silicon, that would be amazing.
- peteradio 3y agoPop_OS was my son's first linux wipes tear .. android doesn't count.
- timbit42 3y agoAndroid DOES count. Linux is a kernel. Android uses the Linux kernel. Android wouldn't count as GNU/Linux.
- orsenthil 3y agoPopOS is Ubuntu packaged well. I use it as my default operating system. I use lxqt as my window manager on PopOS.
- iwebdevfromhome 3y agoI love this distro, I've been using it as my main one for the last 5 years or so, on both my pc and laptop. It just works ©
- kodah 3y agoI switched my partner over to Pop after she saw me using it as a daily driver on my boxes. She's now far more of a power user than I am. The measure of a good Linux, imo, is how much it inspires the user to customize it to their liking. I do wish the Pop community would start up an initiative for building components for enterprise management. Much of it is already there because of SystemD but remote administration and management would be good. Something similar to Zorin Grid. The reason I'm a fan of this is so that I can use Pop at work.
- ProAm 3y agoDoes Pop OS use snaps as aggressively as Ubuntu?
- dublinben 3y agoNo, they've gone with flatpak instead. It's one of the better reasons to use it, if you were considering Ubuntu.
- JohnFen 3y agoWait, by that do you mean that you can't avoid using flatpaks?
- mfragin 3y agoIn the Pop!_Shop you can often find both the deb version or the flatpak, so you can avoid them quite easily. For things that only appear with a flatpak option you can usually find other ways to install, after a little searching on the web. It's very clear in the Pop!_Shop whether it's a flatpak or not, which is nice ....
- tehbeard 3y agoI.... would disagree. I have often seen multiple entries in the pop shop for things like kodi or vlc, and it can be a crap shot on if it works or not. sometimes there's a dropdown but often it's two entries in the search results with similar descriptions and no indication of installation method. Other than that, best desktop linux experience so far for me.
- mfragin 3y agoI stand corrected! Thanks for posting, as I had a limited experience and was happy that most of my applications fell into the first category below: I just tested it out and some applications like GIMP and INKSCAPE appear as a result and when you click on it, it has a drop-down in which you can choose between the flatpak and deb version. Unfortunately the flatpak is the default choice, so many people would probably never even know about the alternative choice. Other applications a clearly different, and it's not clear what you are getting. Like VLC. Then you have some like BATTLE FOR WESNOTH that shows two results. One of the two (if you activate it) has the drop-down, but both choices are flatpaks. The other result is apparently NOT a flatpak, but not clear in what it is. I now see I have more flatpaks than I believed I had. They are working nicely at least, the ones I am using.
- nyarlathotep_ 3y agoI impulsively purchased an HP Dev One laptop a few months back, and expected I'd try Pop for a minute and end up with Ubuntu. I've found Pop to be mostly similar but preferable (seems more Desktop oriented). I've also had very few issues with (IME )typical Linux stuff (doesn't sleep, doesn't wake from sleep etc.) I can't say the same about my Ubuntu desktop, which struggles to maintain two weeks of uptime without one of these issues. Pop shall remain for the foreseeable future. This laptop does have issues with external displays, unfortunately, but has been used as a laptop 90% of the time so it's not a big issue. Fear that's the best one can expect with Desktop Linux.
- spicyusername 3y agoI don't use Pop_OS, but I do use the tiling gnome extension. It's godsend. I ran out of time to fiddle with i3wm years ago, but dearly missed being able to tile. It's a perfect middle ground.
- Shared404 3y agoI'm in a similar boat and am very excited for COSMIC https://blog.system76.com/post/more-on-cosmic-de-to-kick-off-2023 https://blog.system76.com/post/more-on-cosmic-de-to-kick-off... . GNOME frustrates me so Pop_OS is the only place I currently use it. Will likely be moving all my GUI Linux boxes to COSMIC once it kicks off.
- JohnFen 3y agoIs using Gnome mandatory for Pop? Can you use KDE? Gnome is a showstopper for me.
- Shared404 3y agoGNOME is default, and integrated well enough that I do use it personally (only on Pop - it's _much_ better in the context of S76's customization). That said, you can also install and use KDE or whatever other packaged WM/DE you feel like.
- iudqnolq 3y agoThe core selling point of Pop is that they've figured out all the configuration needed to make a bunch of existing software work well together. Instead of needing to tweak everything it all just works. Sure you could start swapping around core components but it strongly suggests it's not the right desktop environment for you personally.
- JohnFen 3y agoAh, OK. So it's meant to be sort of an "appliance Linux"? Yes, that's certainly not my sort of thing.
- ianlevesque 3y agoPop OS is great. You get Ubuntu but: 1. No snap packages! 2. Easy full disk encryption during install. 3. Optional tiling window manager right in gnome. 4. Nvidia drivers just work with no effort. 5. HiDpi displays just do the right thing with no effort. I also use ZFS (non-root), which was just an 'apt install' away. This is also true on Ubuntu, but nice either way. Only downside I've seen is that it's still X11. From what I read there were Wayland stability issues so they are giving that more time to bake.
- als0 3y agoBut no secure boot support.
- firebaze 3y agoCan you elaborate?
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- ianlevesque 3y agoThey’re not wrong. This is the code signing of your bootloader, kernel, etc that would prevent for example someone tampering with your boot partition to silently capture your encryption password the next time you type it in at boot. It’s a real threat but not one I’m concerned about. I have no idea if Pop OS not doing this is a regression from upstream Ubuntu or not.
- als0 3y agoLast time I tried, you had to disable UEFI secure boot to get PopOS to start. And then follow some complex steps to self sign all those components. Regular Ubuntu (and Debian) does not need any of this.
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- schmichael 3y ago[really silly nitpicking warning] They should drop the underscore. At the time I wrote this comment "pop" appears 21 times on this page, and only 3 of those times bother to follow it with an underscore. The brand is Pop or Pop OS. The only thing the underscore accomplishes is communicating "this is at least a little awkward" which I hope they don't intend.
- throwawaymaths 3y agoHey at least they dropped the bang!
- gpm 3y agoNo? https://pop.system76.com/ https://pop.system76.com/
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago>They should drop the underscore. Yeah, but then the resulting word "popos" has a relatively negative, or at least embarrassing, connotation in several languages :)
- JohnFen 3y agoDon't leave us hanging like that! What does it mean? I searched the web, but found nothing aside from "popos" being the plural of "popo", meaning police.
- tmtvl 3y agoPlural of popo, which is a French (and Spanish) term for doodoo. By which I mean a childish term for excrement.
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- quesera 3y agoIt's not silly. Branding is important, and "Pop!_OS" is unique but not in a good way. I've known people who have been running PopOS (my preferred) for years who can't remember if the bang comes after the pop, or after the os. And everyone hates the underscore.
- JustSomeNobody 3y agoI've got it running on an Intel NUC as well as a Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro. Both run great with it. Battery life on the IP5Pro was sketchy when I first got it because it's an AMD, but since then the Linux Kernel added amd-pstate and all's been fine.
- KMnO4 3y agoA few years back I was tasked with building a deep learning workstation for my work (small startup). I put everything together, did a bit of research on which distributes to use, and put the PopOS image on a USB. This was done by 4pm so I told my manager “I’m going home; it’s going to take me all day to get everything setup and working so I’ll start tomorrow morning”. The next morning I booted into the USB, and 15 minutes later was logged into the DE. Everything. Worked. Wifi? Sound? Worked. Nvidia? Worked. I couldn’t believe it. Latest version of Python? Already there. Big fan of that sort of experience.
- DogRunner 3y agoExactly the same experience for me!
- WeylandYutani 3y agoIf this existed in 1995 maybe it would have been the year of Linux (or not MS had the Rolling stones).
- 1970-01-01 3y agoBackwards compatibility was an extremely hard requirement for Win95. A shiny Linux distro would be dead on arrival for any business use case. Red Hat barely made the news with "Mother's Day" in '95.
- mavu 3y ago2023 ! Year of the Linux desktop!
- harrisoned 3y agoI've been using it as my daily driver since Windows 7 became unusable (for me at least) last year. It's been a great experience. The issues i experienced were because Nvidia drivers + Linux don't always get along with some particular games, and some audio issues after an update (my motherboard is old, must be because of that). There are some things that can be annoying, like; Using 2 different wallpapers on two monitors required me to edit an image on Gimp and just set a single wallpaper. I selected the wrong keyboard layout/language at install and now i must run a macro every time to force the correct one. My ALSAMIXER is always at 10% volume on my USB headset on boot (but i suppose it's an easy fix). I just cant run Vmware Player anymore, after a particular update from some months ago, the netmon module will not compile anymore. But overall, everything is great; For the games it can run (Steam + Proton), sometimes is better than windows! I can run AI stuff (LLMs, stable-diffusion, etc) with absolute no issues or hiccups. It's blazing fast. I just miss some particular softwares that have never been ported to Linux, but that will be solved with time i hope.
- trashface 3y agoI have it on my S76 laptop but I don't use it much now, I'm more comfortable on win10 which I dual boot and also use on my desktop. I'm getting older, so its harder for me to context switch between windows/linux desktop environments. However, I do like PopOS, I'm glad I got it pre-installed when I got the laptop, which I was on the fence about. I did have to tweak it to be like how I want, but that's true of every linux ever. With win11 being such a disaster I suspect my windows days are finally numbered. Hopefully PopOS is still good when I finally need to switch full time.
- foobazzy 3y agoI have a 4 year old ThinkPad X1 extreme (1st gen) and I've been running Pop OS since almost day 1. I did run astray somewhere in the middle (Zorin, Manjaro, Windows) but found myself most comfortable with Pop. Things just work: nvidia drivers, firmware updates, bluetooth, multiple screens, switching keyboards (bt to usb and vice versa), games (steam, heroic launcher), keyboard backlight (it's a pain on other distros for some reason), those little led indicators on fn buttons, the fn buttons! The laptop overall is quieter (fans running slow), cooler, snappier - all with an amazing battery life. This is compared to Windows - something that apparently Intel spent time testing this particular model of laptop with. (one of my relatives works there) The tiling window manager is a productivity enhancer (feels better than i3wm to me, ymmv). I recently had the privilege of connecting to a 2K display using the thunderbolt port. This thing somehow felt faster (a couple 100ms, but it was noticeable). I have reached a point where Mac feels slow and Windows is just unusable. I'm having a great time with this OS. Only 1 thing doesn't work: Intel WiFi display. But I guess that technology doesn't have enough market proliferation anyway. So. That.
- yuppie_scum 3y agoI’ve been having issues with an intel wifi card on Budgie Ubuntu as well. I think the drivers are a bit wonky
- foobazzy 3y agoShould've been clearer. I'm not talking about WiFi but WiDi. Wireless display doesn't work. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000021494/emerging-technologies/intel-wireless-technologies.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000...
- aceazzameen 3y agoPop_OS was the first Linux OS I installed last year. It's true it just works once I'm inside. However, booting up was an issue for me. I always got a blank grey screen. It's been a while since I booted into it, but I think to get around it, I pressed some hotkeys to enter terminal and login through there. Then I'd be in the OS and everything was fine. I ended up using it that way for a bit before I guess the novelty wore off. I've been too busy to tinker with it since.
- skanga 3y agoDoes it come with a good VNC server for the console itself?
- CottonMcKnight 3y agoThere is surely a quantifiable way to measure how much a stupid or off-putting name like Pop!_OS or CockroachDB drives away potential users, especially in business.