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I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their ap

I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their approaching development. But now comment sections about anything Musk related are pointless - entirely about his personality and politics

polotics 4y ago
Well you can only swallow repeated empty promises of progress on the technology front for so many years before you have to confront the blatant lies. Excuse me: "forward looking statements"
aqme28 4y ago
What's ironic is that at this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him. But I also think it's very fair for a medical device company take some scrutiny if its CEO is famous for overpromising and underdelivering.
- cabaalis 4y ago
  Perhaps the way hn comments work. I read this page earlier this morning and all the comments were about how nobody wanted anything to do with Elon Musk. Now it is different.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    No, aqme28 is wrong. There were comments about Musk before your comment. The very first comment on this submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016) was indeed about Musk, and also the second one (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042). Then there were others (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092) as well mixed into the whole thing, before you made your comment about it.
    - aqme28 4y ago
      I am not wrong. The comment-ordering is not the same when I viewed the page as it was when you viewed the page. The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page.
      - capableweb 4y ago
        Here is the same comments ordered by time rather than score: https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 (you can also go directly to https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 and scroll upwards, every comment above that one was made before it) You can clearly see that there are mentions about Musk before Vermeulen made their comment. (also, you can hover the "N minutes/hours ago" and see the timestamp on HN too, which again will show you which chronological order things were posted in)
        aqme28 4y ago
        Why do you need me to prove this to you? Here’s my view: https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz You can “clearly see” that this musk comment is third.
        capableweb 4y ago
        You said "this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him" I took "First" to mean in time, not order of the page. I guess I understood you wrong, because if you're talking about time, their comment was not the first to mention Musk. But I guess if you mean "first" as in "highest on the page", then you're right that it's higher up. But as you know, comments are not ordered by time, but time + score, but somehow this point seems to be lost while crossing through the wires.
        aqme28 4y ago
        You're relaying something I said earlier because you didn't read my comment that you responded to. "The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page."
- Vermeulen 4y ago
  Good to see - when I posted this every comment was about Musk. I guess it just takes time on Hackernews to filter the worthwhile discussions to the top
weevil 4y ago
Comments about Musk's politics and personality have trended upwards along with his increasing political and personal comments. He didn't need to behave this way.
noobermin 4y ago
The truth is that his ideas were always about his personality. Even the hyperloop he conceived because he wanted to dampen the CA HSR project and his general distate of public transit. Being someone who cared about public transit keyed me into the fact that he wasn't to be trusted quite early compared to everyone else. This is the risk you drive with "great men" idols in any space, that's why it's always safest to talk about ideas and technologies themselves.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  And the whole hyperloop makes me sad on general state of understanding of engineering. At least it is so big project that demo models just fail to work or scale up so money is only thing that will be wasted. Neuralink is something that could kill people. And with manned space travel at least buyers that is agencies have enough rigor to ensure it is good before going forward.

polotics 4y ago

Well you can only swallow repeated empty promises of progress on the technology front for so many years before you have to confront the blatant lies. Excuse me: "forward looking statements"

aqme28 4y ago

What's ironic is that at this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him. But I also think it's very fair for a medical device company take some scrutiny if its CEO is famous for overpromising and underdelivering.

cabaalis 4y ago
Perhaps the way hn comments work. I read this page earlier this morning and all the comments were about how nobody wanted anything to do with Elon Musk. Now it is different.
- capableweb 4y ago
  No, aqme28 is wrong. There were comments about Musk before your comment. The very first comment on this submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016) was indeed about Musk, and also the second one (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042). Then there were others (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092) as well mixed into the whole thing, before you made your comment about it.
  - aqme28 4y ago
    I am not wrong. The comment-ordering is not the same when I viewed the page as it was when you viewed the page. The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page.
    - capableweb 4y ago
      Here is the same comments ordered by time rather than score: https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 (you can also go directly to https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 and scroll upwards, every comment above that one was made before it) You can clearly see that there are mentions about Musk before Vermeulen made their comment. (also, you can hover the "N minutes/hours ago" and see the timestamp on HN too, which again will show you which chronological order things were posted in)
      - aqme28 4y ago
        Why do you need me to prove this to you? Here’s my view: https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz You can “clearly see” that this musk comment is third.
        capableweb 4y ago
        You said "this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him" I took "First" to mean in time, not order of the page. I guess I understood you wrong, because if you're talking about time, their comment was not the first to mention Musk. But I guess if you mean "first" as in "highest on the page", then you're right that it's higher up. But as you know, comments are not ordered by time, but time + score, but somehow this point seems to be lost while crossing through the wires.
        aqme28 4y ago
        You're relaying something I said earlier because you didn't read my comment that you responded to. "The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page."
Vermeulen 4y ago
Good to see - when I posted this every comment was about Musk. I guess it just takes time on Hackernews to filter the worthwhile discussions to the top

weevil 4y ago

Comments about Musk's politics and personality have trended upwards along with his increasing political and personal comments. He didn't need to behave this way.

noobermin 4y ago

The truth is that his ideas were always about his personality. Even the hyperloop he conceived because he wanted to dampen the CA HSR project and his general distate of public transit. Being someone who cared about public transit keyed me into the fact that he wasn't to be trusted quite early compared to everyone else. This is the risk you drive with "great men" idols in any space, that's why it's always safest to talk about ideas and technologies themselves.

Ekaros 4y ago
And the whole hyperloop makes me sad on general state of understanding of engineering. At least it is so big project that demo models just fail to work or scale up so money is only thing that will be wasted. Neuralink is something that could kill people. And with manned space travel at least buyers that is agencies have enough rigor to ensure it is good before going forward.