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Nextcloud and OpenBSD = <3

91 points by hucste 4y ago

thedriver 4y ago
Nextcloud is fantastic. I'm personally running it on a Debian 11 server. I like the web-ui more than for example onedrive or gdrive, and it's not even that hard to setup.
- dark-star 4y ago
  same. I've been running NextCloud for years on multiple installations (even on a small RaspberryPi under k8s at home) and it works perfectly. Recently I read up about OwnCloud's OCIS and I really want to try it out, it sounds like it could scale much better than the PHP behemoth that is NextCloud (where all you can do if you have performance issues is throw more CPU and memory at the VM)
  - egeozcan 4y ago
    I'm not a PHP developer but I know that PHP is really fast, especially after v7. If only PHP developers stopped trying to write your typical corporate Java code with the tool, we'd have much faster websites.
  - JamesAdir 4y ago
    I would love a slimmed down version of nextcloud, as it's php base make it very easy to install on cheap shared hosting.
- powersnail 4y ago
  Do you run it at your home or on some VPS? If the latter, and if you don't mind my asking, where do you find affordable storage for your VPS? The biggest hurdle for me to use Nextcloud is that attaching a large storage to a VPS seems to be quite a bit more expensive than using Google drive, etc. My current VPS is on DigitalOcean, which asks for $100/month for 1TB storage. (To be fair to DO, the storage is SSD, but in this use case, the benefit of SSD is not particularly important) Google drive and icloud both offer $9.99 for 2TB, and Onedrive offers 6TB for that price I think. That's $0.005/GB and $0.0017/GB respectively. As a comparison, S3 is $0.023/GB.
  - kenniskrag 4y ago
    I use hetzner storage. You can attach it as external storage and costs 4 EUR https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box?country=de https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box?country=de
    - raybb 4y ago
      There's also Herzner storage share with is slightly more pricy at about 5 EUR but they manage nextcloud for you. https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share Although, as I understand it they don't actually financially support nextcloud. If you want hosted nextcloud that sends money back to development https://thegood.cloud/ https://thegood.cloud/ or similar would do it.
      - trvz 4y ago
        > Although, as I understand it they don't actually financially support nextcloud. If you want hosted nextcloud that sends money back to development https://thegood.cloud/ https://thegood.cloud/ or similar would do it. This is plain stupid. If you want money to arrive at a developer, just send some yourself. As for Nextcloud GmbH, it looks like they don't even want donations: https://help.nextcloud.com/t/is-there-a-paypal-donation-account-for-next-cloud/132065 https://help.nextcloud.com/t/is-there-a-paypal-donation-acco...
      - kramerger 4y ago
        I don't think they want your money, not unless you are an enterprise costumer. But feel free to donate to another open source project: https://liberapay.com/ https://liberapay.com/
  - thedriver 4y ago
    >Do you run it at your home or on some VPS? I run it on a rented dedicated server. Yes, it's pretty expensive, but I also use it for other stuff and this is a hobby for me. >My current VPS is on DigitalOcean, which asks for $100/month for 1TB storage Some VPS providers let you attach HDD based storage to a VPS, that's a bit cheaper. For example Upcloud (https://upcloud.com/pricing https://upcloud.com/pricing) prices HDD storage at 0.056€/month. Which is not exactly cheap, but not terribly expensive either. It seems to be hard to beat big cloud services like google drive in storage pricing. I haven't tried this myself, but Nextcloud can use external storage like Amazon S3 (see the link below). But even then it's hard to beat 2TB for $9.99 https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/configuration_files/external_storage_configuration_gui.html https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/config...
- JamesAdir 4y ago
  How do you deal with encryption? Did you encrypted the storage volume, using the Server Side encryption of nextcloud or any other way? Was just thinking about that and I'm thinking what's the best way to enjoy both security and usability.
michaelteter 4y ago
I wanted to like Nextcloud, and I made a real effort two different times (hetzner metal servers with attached storage). Both times it would eventually run into sync problems, where it would just get stuck and refuse to keep things in sync. I had the same problem with Onedrive (it was worse). Tresorit was very good and reliable and theoretically very secure, but it was some financial cost. The last thing I tried is Apple’s 2TB iCloud offering, which is cheap and thus far has not had problems keeping about 1.4TB (around a million files at peak) synced without problems. Of course you must already be living in the Apple ecosystem, but I am and it is convenient. I do trust Apple to provide reliable and durable service more than I could with my own Nextcloud setup.
- uselpa 4y ago
  I am using both Nextcloud and iCloud, and Nextcloud has been syncing much faster every time it mattered (i.e. when sharing files with the family).
- noAnswer 4y ago
  I had that too. It seems to be a problem with the client though. Deleting the local config and reconnecting helped. (Two times in idk ~6 years is still bearable.)
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  The client is atrocious. Work your computer from sleep? Server offline! Moon in the wrong phase? Server offline! This isn't remote. This is the client and server on the same network. Worse, the client never seems to retry on its own, and stays offline almost indefinitely. I've ended up with multiple sync conflicts because of this. Even worse, there's no easily accessible button that says "try now." Pausing and resuming sync doesn't work. On Windows it's the only software I update semi-regularly that insists on rebooting the whole computer, and yes, that includes other software that integrates into File Explorer. I've also developed a strong dislike of their weird, "pretty", application-window-in-a-drop-down-menu interface. Just have a simple interface that respects the conventions of the host OS's UI, please...
clvx 4y ago
I wish nextcloud architecture could move to a more stateless version. It was a huge step forward allowing envars to setup the installation and using a S3 for objects as using it with containers was a PITA. There are still post installation items that don’t allow to just move the server easily. Instanceid, version and others are still generated in config/config.php. Plugins are another one. It’s definitely a great product.
- hakre 4y ago
  there is the all in one architecture, if you have a system with container runtime at hand and want a more out of the box experience.
npteljes 4y ago
I love Nextcloud, I'm running it for years now on my home server (an old office computer, with extra storage). It basically replaces the Google cloud connectivity on my /e/ OS phone, syncing photos, calendar, contacts, todo. The web UI is nice, I use it to share larger videos sometimes.

91 points by hucste 4y ago

Nextcloud is fantastic. I'm personally running it on a Debian 11 server. I like the web-ui more than for example onedrive or gdrive, and it's not even that hard to setup.

dark-star 4y ago
same. I've been running NextCloud for years on multiple installations (even on a small RaspberryPi under k8s at home) and it works perfectly. Recently I read up about OwnCloud's OCIS and I really want to try it out, it sounds like it could scale much better than the PHP behemoth that is NextCloud (where all you can do if you have performance issues is throw more CPU and memory at the VM)
- egeozcan 4y ago
  I'm not a PHP developer but I know that PHP is really fast, especially after v7. If only PHP developers stopped trying to write your typical corporate Java code with the tool, we'd have much faster websites.
- JamesAdir 4y ago
  I would love a slimmed down version of nextcloud, as it's php base make it very easy to install on cheap shared hosting.
powersnail 4y ago
Do you run it at your home or on some VPS? If the latter, and if you don't mind my asking, where do you find affordable storage for your VPS? The biggest hurdle for me to use Nextcloud is that attaching a large storage to a VPS seems to be quite a bit more expensive than using Google drive, etc. My current VPS is on DigitalOcean, which asks for $100/month for 1TB storage. (To be fair to DO, the storage is SSD, but in this use case, the benefit of SSD is not particularly important) Google drive and icloud both offer $9.99 for 2TB, and Onedrive offers 6TB for that price I think. That's $0.005/GB and $0.0017/GB respectively. As a comparison, S3 is $0.023/GB.
- kenniskrag 4y ago
  I use hetzner storage. You can attach it as external storage and costs 4 EUR https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box?country=de https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box?country=de
  - raybb 4y ago
    There's also Herzner storage share with is slightly more pricy at about 5 EUR but they manage nextcloud for you. https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share Although, as I understand it they don't actually financially support nextcloud. If you want hosted nextcloud that sends money back to development https://thegood.cloud/ https://thegood.cloud/ or similar would do it.
    - trvz 4y ago
      > Although, as I understand it they don't actually financially support nextcloud. If you want hosted nextcloud that sends money back to development https://thegood.cloud/ https://thegood.cloud/ or similar would do it. This is plain stupid. If you want money to arrive at a developer, just send some yourself. As for Nextcloud GmbH, it looks like they don't even want donations: https://help.nextcloud.com/t/is-there-a-paypal-donation-account-for-next-cloud/132065 https://help.nextcloud.com/t/is-there-a-paypal-donation-acco...
    - kramerger 4y ago
      I don't think they want your money, not unless you are an enterprise costumer. But feel free to donate to another open source project: https://liberapay.com/ https://liberapay.com/
- thedriver 4y ago
  >Do you run it at your home or on some VPS? I run it on a rented dedicated server. Yes, it's pretty expensive, but I also use it for other stuff and this is a hobby for me. >My current VPS is on DigitalOcean, which asks for $100/month for 1TB storage Some VPS providers let you attach HDD based storage to a VPS, that's a bit cheaper. For example Upcloud (https://upcloud.com/pricing https://upcloud.com/pricing) prices HDD storage at 0.056€/month. Which is not exactly cheap, but not terribly expensive either. It seems to be hard to beat big cloud services like google drive in storage pricing. I haven't tried this myself, but Nextcloud can use external storage like Amazon S3 (see the link below). But even then it's hard to beat 2TB for $9.99 https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/configuration_files/external_storage_configuration_gui.html https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/config...
JamesAdir 4y ago
How do you deal with encryption? Did you encrypted the storage volume, using the Server Side encryption of nextcloud or any other way? Was just thinking about that and I'm thinking what's the best way to enjoy both security and usability.

michaelteter 4y ago

I wanted to like Nextcloud, and I made a real effort two different times (hetzner metal servers with attached storage). Both times it would eventually run into sync problems, where it would just get stuck and refuse to keep things in sync. I had the same problem with Onedrive (it was worse). Tresorit was very good and reliable and theoretically very secure, but it was some financial cost. The last thing I tried is Apple’s 2TB iCloud offering, which is cheap and thus far has not had problems keeping about 1.4TB (around a million files at peak) synced without problems. Of course you must already be living in the Apple ecosystem, but I am and it is convenient. I do trust Apple to provide reliable and durable service more than I could with my own Nextcloud setup.

uselpa 4y ago
I am using both Nextcloud and iCloud, and Nextcloud has been syncing much faster every time it mattered (i.e. when sharing files with the family).
noAnswer 4y ago
I had that too. It seems to be a problem with the client though. Deleting the local config and reconnecting helped. (Two times in idk ~6 years is still bearable.)
KennyBlanken 4y ago
The client is atrocious. Work your computer from sleep? Server offline! Moon in the wrong phase? Server offline! This isn't remote. This is the client and server on the same network. Worse, the client never seems to retry on its own, and stays offline almost indefinitely. I've ended up with multiple sync conflicts because of this. Even worse, there's no easily accessible button that says "try now." Pausing and resuming sync doesn't work. On Windows it's the only software I update semi-regularly that insists on rebooting the whole computer, and yes, that includes other software that integrates into File Explorer. I've also developed a strong dislike of their weird, "pretty", application-window-in-a-drop-down-menu interface. Just have a simple interface that respects the conventions of the host OS's UI, please...

clvx 4y ago

I wish nextcloud architecture could move to a more stateless version. It was a huge step forward allowing envars to setup the installation and using a S3 for objects as using it with containers was a PITA. There are still post installation items that don’t allow to just move the server easily. Instanceid, version and others are still generated in config/config.php. Plugins are another one. It’s definitely a great product.

hakre 4y ago
there is the all in one architecture, if you have a system with container runtime at hand and want a more out of the box experience.

npteljes 4y ago

I love Nextcloud, I'm running it for years now on my home server (an old office computer, with extra storage). It basically replaces the Google cloud connectivity on my /e/ OS phone, syncing photos, calendar, contacts, todo. The web UI is nice, I use it to share larger videos sometimes.