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A shadowban has the property that it's hidden from the user. Elon seems to want to make these kinds of actions transparent, like, for instance, deboosted tweets

A shadowban has the property that it's hidden from the user. Elon seems to want to make these kinds of actions transparent, like, for instance, deboosted tweets being visible as deboosted by their creator/other users, which is a pretty big difference. This difference is already visible in initial intent: Twitter hid what they were doing https://twitter.com/Twitter/status/1022658436704731136 https://twitter.com/Twitter/status/1022658436704731136, while Elon is explicitly saying what he will do.

veec_cas_tant 4y ago
That tweet is referencing this[0] blog post. > We do not shadow ban. You are always able to see the tweets from accounts you follow (although you may have to do more work to find them, like go directly to their profile). And we certainly don’t shadow ban based on political viewpoints or ideology. It specifically mentions factoring in user behavior: >What actions you take on Twitter (e.g. who you follow, who you retweet, etc) > How other accounts interact with you (e.g. who mutes you, who follows you, who retweets you, who blocks you, etc) How was Twitter hiding this? [0]: https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/topics/company/2018/Setting-the-record-straight-on-shadow-banning.html https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/topics/company/2018/...
- HappyTypist 4y ago
  Twitter's visibility filtering wasn't based on "Your" User Behavior. It was based on what their moderation team decided to filter or not filter.
  - veec_cas_tant 4y ago
    Sure, there was human involvement. Seems irrelevant to the comment I was responding to - Twitter did not hide that they were deranking some Tweets and there doesn't seem to be any difference between their current policy 'revealed' in the Twitter Files and what Elon proposed.
threeseed 4y ago
Problem is that there is a reason shadow bans exist. It prevents nefarious actors from easily probing the limits of their content moderation processes. It really is funny how Musk is just taking Twitter back to the start.
- etchalon 4y ago
  He'll end with the exact same practices, but with a different set of enemies.
- sigsergv 4y ago
  The main issue here is not that shadowban exist but fact that twtter officials explicitly denied its existence.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    > but fact that twtter officials explicitly denied its existence I haven't seen anything here that indicates that it ever did exist. Limiting reach is different from people not seeing your content at all.
    - sigsergv 4y ago
      Shadowban is not a total hiding content from everyone, it also implies selective hide[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning
- charcircuit 4y ago
  It's already easy to check to see if you or your post is shadowbanned.
- Khaine 4y ago
  I think the issue is not that this feature exists, but that it was abused to silence criticisms primarily from the right, while at the same time twitter denied this.
username3 4y ago
> Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072
layer8 4y ago
The OP twitter thread doesn’t seem to be describing shadow banning.

veec_cas_tant 4y ago

That tweet is referencing this[0] blog post. > We do not shadow ban. You are always able to see the tweets from accounts you follow (although you may have to do more work to find them, like go directly to their profile). And we certainly don’t shadow ban based on political viewpoints or ideology. It specifically mentions factoring in user behavior: >What actions you take on Twitter (e.g. who you follow, who you retweet, etc) > How other accounts interact with you (e.g. who mutes you, who follows you, who retweets you, who blocks you, etc) How was Twitter hiding this? [0]: https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/topics/company/2018/Setting-the-record-straight-on-shadow-banning.html https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/topics/company/2018/...

HappyTypist 4y ago
Twitter's visibility filtering wasn't based on "Your" User Behavior. It was based on what their moderation team decided to filter or not filter.
- veec_cas_tant 4y ago
  Sure, there was human involvement. Seems irrelevant to the comment I was responding to - Twitter did not hide that they were deranking some Tweets and there doesn't seem to be any difference between their current policy 'revealed' in the Twitter Files and what Elon proposed.

threeseed 4y ago

Problem is that there is a reason shadow bans exist. It prevents nefarious actors from easily probing the limits of their content moderation processes. It really is funny how Musk is just taking Twitter back to the start.

etchalon 4y ago
He'll end with the exact same practices, but with a different set of enemies.
sigsergv 4y ago
The main issue here is not that shadowban exist but fact that twtter officials explicitly denied its existence.
- threeseed 4y ago
  > but fact that twtter officials explicitly denied its existence I haven't seen anything here that indicates that it ever did exist. Limiting reach is different from people not seeing your content at all.
  - sigsergv 4y ago
    Shadowban is not a total hiding content from everyone, it also implies selective hide[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning
charcircuit 4y ago
It's already easy to check to see if you or your post is shadowbanned.
Khaine 4y ago
I think the issue is not that this feature exists, but that it was abused to silence criticisms primarily from the right, while at the same time twitter denied this.

username3 4y ago

> Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072

layer8 4y ago

The OP twitter thread doesn’t seem to be describing shadow banning.