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Cloudflare can do whatever it wants but I wish they were honest about it. The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nons

Cloudflare can do whatever it wants but I wish they were honest about it. The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense. If anything the owner has been monitoring the thread more proactively and making sure people follow the law. This is included not allowing the creation of new accounts and reminding everyone that their data will be turned over to the authorities should it be requested. The only thing that picked up steam in the last two weeks is the campaign to drop Cloudflare and the media attention on the situation. That’s why they caved in. It got big enough to reach Bloomberg/wsj/congress. Just be honest about it.

altcognito 4y ago
> The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense. I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person. They have a responsibility to their investors to insure that their brand isn’t used to coordinate violence. Dont just shrug your shoulders while a small group invites violence because “that’s just too bad” We all have a responsibility to discern what is valuable speech and what is corrosive. Mentally ill people exist, and they are more than happy to use these forums, and they are often used in these forums as tools.
- wyager 4y ago
  > I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare Yes he does - the activity of KF posters is public. The amount of bullshitting going on here is insane. People are just making things up wholesale.
  - altcognito 4y ago
    Cloudflare has probably more than one person now involved in monitoring with realtime tools what is being done on their network. This doesn't take a lot of intuition to think that they have a better idea than a random person on the internet.
    - Karunamon 4y ago
      When the topic under discussion are the contents of a publicly available website, unless you think that Cloudflare has some kind of tooling scanning for specific terms on the CDN origin (why?), no, I am pretty confident in saying they do not have any additional information. This is not some arcane matter of network management, this is the public contents of a public website that anyone can verify.
      - bombcar 4y ago
        The additional information would be “the board is getting pissed and you need to fix this now”.
    - rejectfinite 4y ago
      The posts are public on a public forum. You dont need an account. Like Twitter! :) >realtime tools what is being done on their network. That inspects every post? That sees some hidden forums for ultra doxxing and crime?
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - ineedasername 4y ago
        I don’t know where posts are coming from when I see them online. We can only guess at the specifics (which will hopefully be released when there’s time for an after-action report) but presumably cloudflare may be able to see ip addresses and have some idea of location. If someone posts “I’m coming to kill you” a dozen times but the ip is in Europe and doesn’t appear to be a VPN then that’s less cause for concern than the same posts made by someone with a residential ISP ip that’s half an hour away from the target. Of course that may not at all resemble what happened, but you are incorrect to believe the cloudflare doesn’t have a privileged position that allows them more information.
    - lupire 4y ago
      CF provided domain DDOS protection, not serving, for KF. So content/hosting isn't part of service CF were providing.
- dmix 4y ago
  Then they should provide at least some basic details. Trusting them to be honest is silly. This sort of thing needs transparency.
- deleted 4y ago
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- jackmott 4y ago
- digitaLandscape 4y ago
- trasz 4y ago
- jyrkesh 4y ago
  > I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person. I don't believe that Cloudflare gathered the same volume of info that many others have about KF. OP's point is that behavior as bad or worse than what's been going on (yes, including super detailed doxxing, swatting, death threats, and the like) have all been going on for YEARS on KF, and Cloudflare paid no mind until a larger campaign got going. Full disclosure: I'm actually disappointed that they made the decision to cut them off. Not because I'm pro-KF at ALL, it is absolutely abhorrent. But I do tend to peruse extremist circles on both sides to understand the radicalism a little better, and generally think that keeping these folks relegated to unseen areas is net-negative. But to the original point, I think it's disingenuous to suggest that this decision wasn't primarily catalyzed by the PR calculus of more people being in the "shut it down" camp than the "leave it up" camp (which makes sense to me, as soon as the spotlight is cast, most people are going to say it's disgusting and should be taken down).
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    >I think it's disingenuous to suggest that this decision wasn't primarily catalyzed by the PR calculus You seem be taking a very uncharitable view of CF here. Why isn't "the PR around blocking Kiwifarms made Kiwifarms posters more agitated until they did something that CF couldn't take lying down" an option? That's perfectly consistent with recent events and what CF posted in their blog (and frankly, more likely).
    - dogecoinbase 4y ago
      CF no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. See e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=32705613 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=32705613
    - AbrahamParangi 4y ago
      You should, as a general rule, never take a charitable view of the actions of businesses. If you start with the most machiavellian interpretation possible you will be more right than wrong. Not that you will be always right, but absent special information it is the presumptive default.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  >I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person. There are "legitimate threats to body and person." on every chat platform everyday. Yet they are still operating. Could this offending content not be reported to moderators and admins? Edit: Just flag and downvote me with no reply, good discussion. This site is turning into facebook/reddit.
- abigail95 4y ago
  Having never read Kiwifarms I don't know whether the threats are real or not. But it's not like the person/s they are targeting, or their plans are secret CF is making a specific claim that law enforcement is too slow against the escalting risk. Why would this be true? Kiwifarms seems like a big problem but it's a small fish in the total criminal pool. It's not like a Kiwifarms post goes up and a bomb goes off 5 minutes later. If the police can send a swat team anywhere in the US within 2 hours for a hoax, I'm certain the same resource exists for actual threats.
- andywood 4y ago
  I have the same information, unless CF pays someone to lurk the Farms more than I do. Unlikely. This is a pretext plain and simple. Prince is full of it. There was one fedpost and it was taken down. It happens. There's no machine learning algo scanning new comments to see if they sound like plausible threats.
- asah 4y ago
  We can't know, because Cloudflare provided no evidence (e.g. redacted examples) to justify their decision.
- istinetz 4y ago
  >Mentally ill people exist, and they are more than happy to use these forums, and they are often used in these forums as tools. I can say literally the exact same thing about twitter. This is extremely high bar you're setting for this one site, that you're not following for literally any other social media.
- Handytinge 4y ago
  > We all have a responsibility to discern what is valuable speech and what is corrosive. That's not the internet I signed up for, and I don't agree with or support it. Very sad state of affairs.
scythe 4y ago
They didn't say that there was "dangerous escalation" in the past two weeks. They said that there was a pressure campaign over the last two weeks, and they also said that they didn't want to comply with this campaign. They, crucially, said that there was dangerous escalation over the past 48 hours, i.e., since Thursday. Given that most of us have jobs, we might not have noticed. But what changed in 48 hours that led Cloudflare to contact law enforcement?
- convery 4y ago
  > But what changed in 48 hours that led Cloudflare to contact law enforcement? Several hit-pieces in the media? Saw nothing out of the ordinary in the thread about Keffals a couple hours ago.
  - zerocrates 4y ago
    I don't know what else has been there, but this seems like it would qualify, no? https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1566153033586810885 https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1566153033586810885 I understand that it's since been deleted.
    - rejectfinite 4y ago
      It was deleted as it is against the rules of the site? The strawman of "damage control" seems like a retrofit by Keffals.
    - convery 4y ago
      Maybe, but people shitposting about blowing up half a city just to annoy a streamer doesn't really sound like the kind of threat that would make a company do a 180 on their position..
    - happyopossum 4y ago
      Err, how would that qualify as a legitimate threat?
- derefr 4y ago
dmix 4y ago
100% they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. First you pretend you care about free speech for a week and gesticulate in public. Then you come up with some extraordinary circumstance so it doesn’t seem like it’s the new normal.
- crazytalk 4y ago
  Heavily reminiscent of Reddit caving in on /r/jailbait following exposure in the WSJ. Actually not heavily reminiscent, identical
slothsarecool 4y ago
Just adding some light to the escalations; there were bomb and shoot threats over the last few days. The userbase on the site upped the tone of their "jokes"/threats after the last blog post and thats what caused the final suspension.
- stepupmakeup 4y ago
  I don't know what happened prior to today, but earlier today there was a bomb threat which was apparently removed by the site's moderators within minutes, but it hit Twitter anyway. The fact that this isn't mentioned anywhere by the people currently leading the "campaign" already proves there's an agenda.
  - _vvaw 4y ago
- _vvaw 4y ago
  There absolutely were not, and this is a gross exaggeration. One user made a clearly satirical comment about posting IRA soldiers with bombs at every cafe in the Ulster area. This was screenshotted by Keffals and posted to Twitter as a serious threat. Everyone else posting in the thread understand it was an extremely dumb joke. The post was removed by the KF owner within minutes. If that is why the site went down, I’ll be amazed and disappointed.
  - _vvaw 4y ago
    Update: I am amazed and disappointed.
- syrrim 4y ago
  People have always posted (usually fake) threats in kiwifarms threads. They have always been removed promptly. The same is true of basically every large website on the internet. When cloudflare made their post saying they wouldn't remove kiwifarms, the site already had that reputation.
- 4y ago
lookalike74 4y ago
Thank you for this comment. The only possible negative here is "Kiwifarms itself will most likely find other infrastructure that allows them to come back online." Cloudflare supposedly being "concerned that our action may only fan the flames of this emergency" is disingenuous at best.
paulmd 4y ago
- _vvaw 4y ago
  > KF started doxxing and threatening CF employees, as well as their other customers. First I’ve heard, and I’ve followed this story closely. Do you have a source? Sounds about as likely as KF SWATing a Republican Congresswoman and calling the police to say “it was us, Kiwi Farms” in the middle of this conflict over hosting, which is exactly what was claimed in that case.
  - paulmd 4y ago
    CF's statement says "imminent and emergency threat to human life". What do you think that means that it didn't mean 48 hours ago?
    - _vvaw 4y ago
      OK, so you made up the “doxing and threatening of CF employees” based on that nonspecific phrase. Got it.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  >KF probably started doxxing and threatening CF employees/other customers Source: It came to me in a dream
- Grue3 4y ago
  There is at least one CF customer who was doxxed by Kiwifarms after expressing displeasure with Cloudflare's initial decision. CF CEO (eastdakota) blocked this customer when he complained about it [1] So much for free speech + great customer service! [1] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1565629001862873088 https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1565629001862873088
  - skissane 4y ago
    > CF CEO (eastdakota) blocked this customer when he complained about it GossiTheDog was publicly attacking a deceased former employee of Cloudflare (Jaime Cochran), and eastdakota was offended: https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1565575185159204864 https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1565575185159204864 I'm pretty sure that's the reason why eastdakota blocked GossiTheDog – not because he was complaining about being doxxed by Kiwifarms
ahiknsr 4y ago
> The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense. I believe the final push for Cloudflare to drop them was this forum thread where users were organizing a bomb threat & armed confrontation against several members of the Drop Kiwi Farms campaign. (copied from https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/x56mot/cloudflare_blocks_kiwifarms/imzfdzj/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/x56mot/cloudfla...)
- dart200 4y ago
  one screenshot by someone crying wolf as much as possible proves exactly nothing. the post was deleted within a few mins, so extremely sus. violent threats are posted on all major websites, idk why this one is so exceptional. doesn't even look real, smells entirely like bait. or someone trying to get KF taken down.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    - viridian 4y ago
      What's more likely: That this user has compromised the backend of HN via some exploit in order to make a couple of posts? or They are the type of person who regularly deletes their old posts? Because I see the latter on reddit, twitter, etc, all the time, while the former has serious security implications for every user on HN.
      - Akronymus 4y ago
        Or someone simply not feeling like commenting for a long time.
- google234123 4y ago
  To be fair, if the opponents of KF were willing to illegally ddos the site then it’s not a stretch to say they wouldn’t be willing to do a false flag.
frickenhamster 4y ago
After hearing about the drama and reading kf's pov, I can definitely understand why the people ddosing kf want it down. The stuff they do is illegal and absolutely vile but overlooked by the people in power because it suits their politics. It scares me as a prospective parent.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  >The stuff they do is illegal The content on the Kiwi Farms is legal. Edit: Disregard this as I misinterpreted what I quoted.
  - frickenhamster 4y ago
    I was referring the the stuff the people who want kf down were doying, ie selling homemade hormones to underaged children.
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      > selling homemade hormones to underaged children What is this? Who is doing this and why?
      - _-david-_ 4y ago
        It is trans people / trans activists. They want children who think they are trans (despite 60-80% of children growing out of it) to use hormones.
        ttybird2 4y ago
        Is there a source for the "60-80%" figure?
        _-david-_ 4y ago
        There are a couple different studies which is why I put the range. Here are a couple https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981931/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981931/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23702447/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23702447/ Some older studies from the 80s and 90s that are even higher (well into the 90%), but they may not be the best representation of the modern trans situation.
hackerlight 4y ago
> The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense How do you know? And to be specific, the claim was "targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hours to the point that we believe there is an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life".

altcognito 4y ago

> The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense. I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person. They have a responsibility to their investors to insure that their brand isn’t used to coordinate violence. Dont just shrug your shoulders while a small group invites violence because “that’s just too bad” We all have a responsibility to discern what is valuable speech and what is corrosive. Mentally ill people exist, and they are more than happy to use these forums, and they are often used in these forums as tools.

wyager 4y ago
> I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare Yes he does - the activity of KF posters is public. The amount of bullshitting going on here is insane. People are just making things up wholesale.
- altcognito 4y ago
  Cloudflare has probably more than one person now involved in monitoring with realtime tools what is being done on their network. This doesn't take a lot of intuition to think that they have a better idea than a random person on the internet.
  - Karunamon 4y ago
    When the topic under discussion are the contents of a publicly available website, unless you think that Cloudflare has some kind of tooling scanning for specific terms on the CDN origin (why?), no, I am pretty confident in saying they do not have any additional information. This is not some arcane matter of network management, this is the public contents of a public website that anyone can verify.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      The additional information would be “the board is getting pissed and you need to fix this now”.
  - rejectfinite 4y ago
    The posts are public on a public forum. You dont need an account. Like Twitter! :) >realtime tools what is being done on their network. That inspects every post? That sees some hidden forums for ultra doxxing and crime?
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - ineedasername 4y ago
      I don’t know where posts are coming from when I see them online. We can only guess at the specifics (which will hopefully be released when there’s time for an after-action report) but presumably cloudflare may be able to see ip addresses and have some idea of location. If someone posts “I’m coming to kill you” a dozen times but the ip is in Europe and doesn’t appear to be a VPN then that’s less cause for concern than the same posts made by someone with a residential ISP ip that’s half an hour away from the target. Of course that may not at all resemble what happened, but you are incorrect to believe the cloudflare doesn’t have a privileged position that allows them more information.
  - lupire 4y ago
    CF provided domain DDOS protection, not serving, for KF. So content/hosting isn't part of service CF were providing.
dmix 4y ago
Then they should provide at least some basic details. Trusting them to be honest is silly. This sort of thing needs transparency.
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jackmott 4y ago
digitaLandscape 4y ago
trasz 4y ago
jyrkesh 4y ago
> I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person. I don't believe that Cloudflare gathered the same volume of info that many others have about KF. OP's point is that behavior as bad or worse than what's been going on (yes, including super detailed doxxing, swatting, death threats, and the like) have all been going on for YEARS on KF, and Cloudflare paid no mind until a larger campaign got going. Full disclosure: I'm actually disappointed that they made the decision to cut them off. Not because I'm pro-KF at ALL, it is absolutely abhorrent. But I do tend to peruse extremist circles on both sides to understand the radicalism a little better, and generally think that keeping these folks relegated to unseen areas is net-negative. But to the original point, I think it's disingenuous to suggest that this decision wasn't primarily catalyzed by the PR calculus of more people being in the "shut it down" camp than the "leave it up" camp (which makes sense to me, as soon as the spotlight is cast, most people are going to say it's disgusting and should be taken down).
- nemothekid 4y ago
  >I think it's disingenuous to suggest that this decision wasn't primarily catalyzed by the PR calculus You seem be taking a very uncharitable view of CF here. Why isn't "the PR around blocking Kiwifarms made Kiwifarms posters more agitated until they did something that CF couldn't take lying down" an option? That's perfectly consistent with recent events and what CF posted in their blog (and frankly, more likely).
  - dogecoinbase 4y ago
    CF no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. See e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=32705613 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=32705613
  - AbrahamParangi 4y ago
    You should, as a general rule, never take a charitable view of the actions of businesses. If you start with the most machiavellian interpretation possible you will be more right than wrong. Not that you will be always right, but absent special information it is the presumptive default.
rejectfinite 4y ago
>I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person. There are "legitimate threats to body and person." on every chat platform everyday. Yet they are still operating. Could this offending content not be reported to moderators and admins? Edit: Just flag and downvote me with no reply, good discussion. This site is turning into facebook/reddit.
abigail95 4y ago
Having never read Kiwifarms I don't know whether the threats are real or not. But it's not like the person/s they are targeting, or their plans are secret CF is making a specific claim that law enforcement is too slow against the escalting risk. Why would this be true? Kiwifarms seems like a big problem but it's a small fish in the total criminal pool. It's not like a Kiwifarms post goes up and a bomb goes off 5 minutes later. If the police can send a swat team anywhere in the US within 2 hours for a hoax, I'm certain the same resource exists for actual threats.
andywood 4y ago
I have the same information, unless CF pays someone to lurk the Farms more than I do. Unlikely. This is a pretext plain and simple. Prince is full of it. There was one fedpost and it was taken down. It happens. There's no machine learning algo scanning new comments to see if they sound like plausible threats.
asah 4y ago
We can't know, because Cloudflare provided no evidence (e.g. redacted examples) to justify their decision.
istinetz 4y ago
>Mentally ill people exist, and they are more than happy to use these forums, and they are often used in these forums as tools. I can say literally the exact same thing about twitter. This is extremely high bar you're setting for this one site, that you're not following for literally any other social media.
Handytinge 4y ago
> We all have a responsibility to discern what is valuable speech and what is corrosive. That's not the internet I signed up for, and I don't agree with or support it. Very sad state of affairs.

scythe 4y ago

They didn't say that there was "dangerous escalation" in the past two weeks. They said that there was a pressure campaign over the last two weeks, and they also said that they didn't want to comply with this campaign. They, crucially, said that there was dangerous escalation over the past 48 hours, i.e., since Thursday. Given that most of us have jobs, we might not have noticed. But what changed in 48 hours that led Cloudflare to contact law enforcement?

convery 4y ago
> But what changed in 48 hours that led Cloudflare to contact law enforcement? Several hit-pieces in the media? Saw nothing out of the ordinary in the thread about Keffals a couple hours ago.
- zerocrates 4y ago
  I don't know what else has been there, but this seems like it would qualify, no? https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1566153033586810885 https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1566153033586810885 I understand that it's since been deleted.
  - rejectfinite 4y ago
    It was deleted as it is against the rules of the site? The strawman of "damage control" seems like a retrofit by Keffals.
  - convery 4y ago
    Maybe, but people shitposting about blowing up half a city just to annoy a streamer doesn't really sound like the kind of threat that would make a company do a 180 on their position..
  - happyopossum 4y ago
    Err, how would that qualify as a legitimate threat?
derefr 4y ago

dmix 4y ago

100% they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. First you pretend you care about free speech for a week and gesticulate in public. Then you come up with some extraordinary circumstance so it doesn’t seem like it’s the new normal.

crazytalk 4y ago
Heavily reminiscent of Reddit caving in on /r/jailbait following exposure in the WSJ. Actually not heavily reminiscent, identical

slothsarecool 4y ago

Just adding some light to the escalations; there were bomb and shoot threats over the last few days. The userbase on the site upped the tone of their "jokes"/threats after the last blog post and thats what caused the final suspension.

stepupmakeup 4y ago
I don't know what happened prior to today, but earlier today there was a bomb threat which was apparently removed by the site's moderators within minutes, but it hit Twitter anyway. The fact that this isn't mentioned anywhere by the people currently leading the "campaign" already proves there's an agenda.
- _vvaw 4y ago
_vvaw 4y ago
There absolutely were not, and this is a gross exaggeration. One user made a clearly satirical comment about posting IRA soldiers with bombs at every cafe in the Ulster area. This was screenshotted by Keffals and posted to Twitter as a serious threat. Everyone else posting in the thread understand it was an extremely dumb joke. The post was removed by the KF owner within minutes. If that is why the site went down, I’ll be amazed and disappointed.
- _vvaw 4y ago
  Update: I am amazed and disappointed.
syrrim 4y ago
People have always posted (usually fake) threats in kiwifarms threads. They have always been removed promptly. The same is true of basically every large website on the internet. When cloudflare made their post saying they wouldn't remove kiwifarms, the site already had that reputation.
4y ago

lookalike74 4y ago

Thank you for this comment. The only possible negative here is "Kiwifarms itself will most likely find other infrastructure that allows them to come back online." Cloudflare supposedly being "concerned that our action may only fan the flames of this emergency" is disingenuous at best.

paulmd 4y ago

_vvaw 4y ago
> KF started doxxing and threatening CF employees, as well as their other customers. First I’ve heard, and I’ve followed this story closely. Do you have a source? Sounds about as likely as KF SWATing a Republican Congresswoman and calling the police to say “it was us, Kiwi Farms” in the middle of this conflict over hosting, which is exactly what was claimed in that case.
- paulmd 4y ago
  CF's statement says "imminent and emergency threat to human life". What do you think that means that it didn't mean 48 hours ago?
  - _vvaw 4y ago
    OK, so you made up the “doxing and threatening of CF employees” based on that nonspecific phrase. Got it.
rejectfinite 4y ago
>KF probably started doxxing and threatening CF employees/other customers Source: It came to me in a dream
Grue3 4y ago
There is at least one CF customer who was doxxed by Kiwifarms after expressing displeasure with Cloudflare's initial decision. CF CEO (eastdakota) blocked this customer when he complained about it [1] So much for free speech + great customer service! [1] https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1565629001862873088 https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1565629001862873088
- skissane 4y ago
  > CF CEO (eastdakota) blocked this customer when he complained about it GossiTheDog was publicly attacking a deceased former employee of Cloudflare (Jaime Cochran), and eastdakota was offended: https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1565575185159204864 https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1565575185159204864 I'm pretty sure that's the reason why eastdakota blocked GossiTheDog – not because he was complaining about being doxxed by Kiwifarms

ahiknsr 4y ago

> The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense. I believe the final push for Cloudflare to drop them was this forum thread where users were organizing a bomb threat & armed confrontation against several members of the Drop Kiwi Farms campaign. (copied from https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/x56mot/cloudflare_blocks_kiwifarms/imzfdzj/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/x56mot/cloudfla...)

dart200 4y ago
one screenshot by someone crying wolf as much as possible proves exactly nothing. the post was deleted within a few mins, so extremely sus. violent threats are posted on all major websites, idk why this one is so exceptional. doesn't even look real, smells entirely like bait. or someone trying to get KF taken down.
- jacooper 4y ago
  - viridian 4y ago
    What's more likely: That this user has compromised the backend of HN via some exploit in order to make a couple of posts? or They are the type of person who regularly deletes their old posts? Because I see the latter on reddit, twitter, etc, all the time, while the former has serious security implications for every user on HN.
    - Akronymus 4y ago
      Or someone simply not feeling like commenting for a long time.
google234123 4y ago
To be fair, if the opponents of KF were willing to illegally ddos the site then it’s not a stretch to say they wouldn’t be willing to do a false flag.

frickenhamster 4y ago

After hearing about the drama and reading kf's pov, I can definitely understand why the people ddosing kf want it down. The stuff they do is illegal and absolutely vile but overlooked by the people in power because it suits their politics. It scares me as a prospective parent.

charcircuit 4y ago
>The stuff they do is illegal The content on the Kiwi Farms is legal. Edit: Disregard this as I misinterpreted what I quoted.
- frickenhamster 4y ago
  I was referring the the stuff the people who want kf down were doying, ie selling homemade hormones to underaged children.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    > selling homemade hormones to underaged children What is this? Who is doing this and why?
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      It is trans people / trans activists. They want children who think they are trans (despite 60-80% of children growing out of it) to use hormones.
      - ttybird2 4y ago
        Is there a source for the "60-80%" figure?
        _-david-_ 4y ago
        There are a couple different studies which is why I put the range. Here are a couple https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981931/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981931/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23702447/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23702447/ Some older studies from the 80s and 90s that are even higher (well into the 90%), but they may not be the best representation of the modern trans situation.

hackerlight 4y ago

> The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense How do you know? And to be specific, the claim was "targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hours to the point that we believe there is an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life".