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Wearing flashy/status clothes makes people less likely to cooperate with you
- sleepymoose 4y agoI think this is why I get along so well with construction workers. As far as my personal presentation goes, I definitely look more like a carpeneter than a sysadmin on any given day.
- _notathrowaway 4y ago>I definitely look more like a carpeneter than a sysadmin on any given day. Does that mean you enjoy dressing up for work?
- gunfighthacksaw 4y agoMy fashion tip if you’re a somewhat attractive 18-34 man: look at what unisex styles are fashionable among young women and try to recreate the look from the mens section. You’ll have an outfit that looks sharp, and you can avoid a lot of the “$200 plain shirt with a logo” bullshit.
- cjrp 4y agoI wonder if something similar applies to cars; anecdotally, people seem less likely to let a shiny Audi Q7 merge compared to an old Skoda or something.
- fbanon 4y agoIn my country you better let the window-tinted Audi Q7 merge, or else you might get a gun waved in your face.
- jcranberry 4y agoThe first two studies don't seem like they lead to this conclusion at all. Someone choosing luxury branded clothes on a virtual avatar is completely different from actually wearing luxury branded clothes. The third study regarding social media would be interesting if I had access to it. But I'm still wondering if this translates to in person communication.
- Brajeshwar 4y agoThis reminds me of US Polo and GAP. Their logo keeps getting bigger and bigger on the clothes. I like the Japanese Brand, Muji[1], which has no logo, nor markings at all on their products. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muji
- 1123581321 4y agoIn addition to the use of still photos, this study has a problem in that dress is indicated to the subjects before they make a choice that is distilled down to trust, and the choice game is known to test trust by a substantial portion of the public. While it makes some intuitive sense to appear disarming to win the trust of strangers in some real-life contexts, I wouldn’t rely on this study to corroborate that.
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- DoneWithAllThat 4y agoAs usual with these sorts of articles, should be prefaced with “A single study claims…”
- boloust 4y agoFlashy/ status clothes are valuable to the extent that they are a reliable and costly signal of wealth. The experimental design had participants believe the branded (virtual avatar) clothes were acquired at zero cost, making them useless as a signal of wealth.
- mkl95 4y agoOn the other hand, not signalling your status will make some people feel entitled to disrespect you or treat you in a patronising way, due to their skewed social perception. Try attending some business dinner with regular clothes, to name an example. Some people out there are dying to buy the clothes you could buy but couldn't care less about.
- em-bee 4y agowell, those people are then exactly who i will avoid doing business with.
- lemax 4y agoIn the fashion buying world, high end brands will force stockists to buy a certain number of units of the logo crap (tees etc) in order to get units of the more desirable/unique seasonal pieces. FWIW, as someone who leans toward a lot of high end, most of the work of shopping is wading through that junk.
- blueflow 4y agoAny kind of self-promotion is unpleasant, except to other self-promoters. For them its competitive. And yes, this includes the virtue emojis on Twitter and GitHub.
- meowface 4y agoWhat are examples of virtue emojis?
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- danielvaughn 4y agoI live in South Florida, a little bit above Miami, and work out of this little co-working space. A couple weeks ago, a new member joined, and after talking with him a bit, I learned that he had worked on the founding team for some very famous technology (don't want to name it publicly). So pretty impressive, but the guy is down to earth and humble about it, which I really respected. Some other people in the space (non-technical people) thought it was weird that he wasn't more outspoken about his accomplishments, and they even went so far as to doubt that he was heavily involved. As an introvert, to hear people dismiss someone on the basis of them not boasting about themselves really stuck with me. I just can't express how vulgar I find that viewpoint, and my opinion of the people who dismissed the guy has changed irrevocably.
- bowsamic 4y agoThis is an extremely ironic comment
- danielvaughn 4y agoI don't understand, why is it ironic?
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- paulcole 4y agoActual article headline is, "Showing off your status and wealth makes you seem less co-operative." "Flashy" and "status clothes" are words/phrases that don't even appear in the article.
- capableweb 4y ago"status" is mentioned 17 times, including in the headline. "Flashy" being a synonym for "status" clothes is well-known.
- Deukhoofd 4y agoThe actual content of the study just refers to logos for the clothing parts. > The results showed that participants elected to co-operate with partners whose avatars had unbranded clothing 57% of the time, but when the avatar sported a luxury logo, this figure dropped to 45%. > A second study, in which participants could first choose the design of their own avatar, found that those who chose branded rather than unbranded clothing themselves were still less likely to choose to co-operate with partners with brand-boasting vs logo-free avatars.
- yieldcrv 4y agoHN posting guidelines are also well-known amongst participants here, so people call out when a title breaks a guideline and breaks it for the specific reason the guideline exists for: reducing ambiguity.
- drewcoo 4y agoThe parent's point is that the title on HN should match the article's.
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- elil17 4y agoThe study is based on interactions between strangers on the internet - it doesn't necessarily indicate how this would play out in the real world.
- ly 4y agoThe article's title is "Showing off your status and wealth makes you seem less co-operative", and the title here on HN is absolutely wrong. I like wearing flashy clothes myself, and I would even say it has proven advantageous to cooperation in my line of work, so I was curious about this article. However, nowhere is it stated that flashy clothes make people less likely to cooperate with you. They say wearing clothes with luxury logos and signal high status does.
- pflenker 4y agoThe HN title is right, it's the article's title which is at odds with its contents.
- sofard 4y agoYeah - my apologies. Should have linked to the underlying paper, which is what I based the title on.
- yieldcrv 4y agoRight, this is reinforced by understanding that also many brands are not recognized by most people but are respected enough by the people that matter, and so could not disrupt cooperation.
- dylan604 4y agoI was told it is never a faux pas to show up over dressed, but it is to be under dressed. If you look like a pimp, that's one thing. Showing up in a nice pair of pants and shirt when everyone else is in shorts and t-shirts is different.
- synu 4y agoSo like wearing a tuxedo to a job interview is kosher? It’s not wearing a pimp outfit, but surely there are so many examples of wearing inappropriate fancy clothes that you can’t really say that it’s never possible to overdress.
- unknownus3r 4y agoa study of people putting status symbols on online avatars made them less likely to be cooperated with to perform menial tasks is what it actually says “Science”
- r12343a_19 4y agoI was having this talk the other day: I hate "high end" logo clothes and don't want to compete with people that showcase their logo clothes. The average clothing store is decent enough for me. I would buy clothes with no distinctive marks if I could find them. Just plain material and colors.
- mmmpop 4y ago>> I would buy clothes with no distinctive marks if I could find them. Just plain material and colors. The irony being that actual "high-class" clothing is exactly what you're describing, at least since I've been a lucid adult. Seems like there is a bit of an inverse correlation between a person's income and the amount of logos they'll tolerate on their clothing.
- r12343a_19 4y agoI did notice the more expensive the item the more discreet the logo, but it's often still there. Still, I find it distasteful to pay extra so they don't stick a logo. So I don't.
- nonrandomstring 4y agoSurplus. Most people only think of military surplus and maybe don't want that sort of gear. But if you want super quality, plain "grey-man" gear like top-quality cotton polo shirts, very hard-wearing smart trousers there's a whole world of surplus brokers who take government contract overspill and whatnot.
- MerelyMortal 4y agoI buy Carhartt and then remove the obnoxious logo with a razor blade.
- dijit 4y agoIronically: the gaudy heavily branded clothing of a brand's clothing line is usually the cheapest. The understated stuff is usually much more expensive. I think Vercace is the only brand I know of that's the opposite.
- flybrand 4y agoWhen I’m at work - in person or remote - the work uniform is plain and unremarkable. If at a trade show, or big internal presentation, then some degree of ‘flair’ is helpful.
- varispeed 4y ago> then some degree of ‘flair’ is helpful. This puts me off. If I Google how much the corporation is paying the workers on average and then see flashy office, expensive suits and workers make average sums... I mean why not pay that money to the worker? I don't understand.
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- Tarsul 4y agoif I had the choice between cooperating with narcissists or with caring people, I'd also take the latter. Often we don't have the choice.
- iasay 4y agoWe always have the choice. I've quit more than one job and divorced someone.
- bowsamic 4y agoI can't bring myself to bring off brand trainers for some reason, I think I've been propagandised
- mguerville 4y agoCould be, but as someone who get lower body pains and injuries (ankles and knees mostly) and lower back fatigue relatively often (from exercising), I do prefer brands that are rooted in actually athletic use rather than purely design/looks. Maybe it's just placebo but I feel like they're going to be more comfortable and give me better posture/support.
- bowsamic 4y agoThat makes sense, but I wear air force 1s, so it's not that
- throw78311 4y agoNot surprised. The hot style right now is "authenticity" and typical high status clothing is associated with just the opposite of that.
- BiteCode_dev 4y agoYes, but authenticity as value signaling, not as a commitment to behave without unnecessary layers. I lived in a meditation center for a year, and I saw some people there that claimed to be authentic, and worked to look like the stereotype. But they were actually hiding a desire for materialism and the failure to live up to it behind the apparent choice of rejecting it. Irony can be pretty ironic.
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- president 4y agoStyle and looks is just what it is, a shell. And some people use clothing to augment what they are lacking in their character. And smart people can see through that.
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- ruivil7 4y agoAnd usually inteligence is also inversely proportional. Most inteligent people I meet are quite casual or don't care. Also smarter with their money.
- bell-cot 4y ago...under such artificial and constrained experimental circumstances that the title is somewhere between "quite misleading" and laughable. That I've noticed, most grown-ups have a fairly decent sense of what social messages their clothing might send, and how others will likely react.
- throw93232 4y agoWhere I live Gucci, Louis Vuitton or Burberry are not high status brands, but cheap knockoffs.
- throw03172019 4y agoI’ve heard the knock offs are Fucci, Louis Fuitton and Furberry.
- throw93232 4y agoNo "Gucci" etc.. Copyright is not enforced at many places.
- varispeed 4y agoI had a phase when I would wear expensive clothes. I thought that this way I would show the world that I am someone. You know an ego boost. But then I realised that almost nobody really cares and those people who care about these things are not the people I would like to be associated with. Then when realise that this expensive piece of clothing is actually cheap and made by near slave workers somewhere in a third world country, you realise that you actually look stupid in those clothes. Since then I only care if the clothing is made of good material and preferably in my own country - but this is not a given - it may say it's made in my country, but it could have been made in Asia but without tags.
- im3w1l 4y agoThis is silly, as you obviously have to consider who the interaction is with and what context it is.
- leohonexus 4y agoCounterpoint: Patagonia vests worn by many bay VCs and tech / finance bros - they seem to have no trouble making deals.
- dylan604 4y agoExcept with Patagonia which made the decision to no longer supply these items as the recognized they were becoming a part of the uniform for finbros[0]. [0]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/midtown-uniform-patagonia-will-no-longer-sell-vests-with-finance-firms-logos-on-them/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/midtown-uniform-patagonia-will-...
- papito 4y agoFlashy, but not if it's clean and professional. No bling or bright orange sneakers. I worked with a gentleman once. He was a tall, handsome, intelligent manhattanite. Very pleasant to communicate with. He told me a story of how he was wearing some very simple clothing after running in Central Park at lunch - sweat pants and a vest. Someone later mistook him for a delivery boy. And on the opposite end, when he wears a suit, he is treated like a total VIP. Do not underestimate the power of presentation and projection of success.
- User23 4y agoI get treated strikingly different by virtually everyone I meet when I'm wearing a just run of the mill suit[1] than when I'm wearing casual clothes. It's worth noting though, that the basic suit is meant to be subdued and even many very nice suits[2] aren't exactly flashy, they just fit together perfectly and look like they were made for you. I do wonder how much the typical person can tell the difference nowadays. [1] From one of the online made to measure outfits for a few hundred bucks. [2] The kind where you get a lot of quality time with your tailor from the start to the end of the process. These will run you into four figures to start.
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y agoI know some folks that own a successful clothing company. The wife is one of the top designers in the field. She's won all kinds of accolades, and is respected by the top people in the world (but not well-known, outside the industry). They wear expensive clothes, but it's not noticeable, unless you really look. I suppose they "put on the ritz," when they go to industry events, but I don't attend those. Some of the humblest, most down-to-earth folks I've ever known.
- boeingUH60 4y agoSimilar to Zuckerberg wearing plain boring shirts...that happen to cost upwards of $300 apiece https://www.wmagazine.com/story/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-brunello-cucinelli-t-shirt https://www.wmagazine.com/story/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-bru...
- fisf 4y agoThere are plenty of high quality, somewhat responsibly produced brands, that are highish priced but would never qualify as flashy (sunspel, l'estrange, common project, ...). They are also not what the article is talking about I guess, since they carry basically zero brand recognition.
- Workaccount2 4y agoI think what people might be missing here is that there are $60 unbranded T-Shirts and $300 jeans. If you have even a mild eye for clothing you would still be able to see that they are not just a hanes shirt with levis. Casual fashion is a thing too.
- wazoox 4y agoI constantly wear clothes with logos such as : O'Reilly, Slackware, Debian, FSF, Postgresql... do you think it makes people less likely to cooperate? :)
- aaaaaaaaata 4y agoFlip a coin, with that list.
- dellIsBetter 4y agokali is great for that!
- wollsmoth 4y agoThat seems fine. I do try to only wear work swag at work though.
- rib3ye 4y agoI would prefer to work with someone wearing Gucci over someone in a black North Face vest any day.
- mark_l_watson 4y agoI like to wear nice clothes at work. I feel good in them and it is my way of being respectful to the workplace. I probably carry this too far when traveling. I have very light weight traveling sport coats and slacks - all washable in a hotel room and lots of hidden pockets (TravelSmith is a favorite brand). Sometimes it pays off big: when my wife and I were traveling around Central America with a buddy of mine and his wife, my friend just packed tshirts, shorts, and sandals. Every time we walked into a restaurant to eat, his wife complemented me on looking so nice. This bugged my friend, and if we can’t irritate our friends, then what is the joy in life :-) Seriously though, it just feels respectful to be nicely dressed when entering restaurants and people’s homes when traveling.
- athorax 4y agoI don't think you are the target demographic this article is referencing.
- werds 4y agoyea this is aimed at people who earn £30k a year, but still have to be seen wearing a £1.5k Canada Goose jacket
- Workaccount2 4y agoIt was always unsettling to me how popular Canada Goose jackets are in a place where $40k salaries are the norm.
- brookritz 4y agoPeople wearing flashy/status clothes are very cooperative. They are willing to walk around with logo's, advertising brands. While a sandwich man gets paid for such a job, the people wearing flashy/status clothes pay lots of money to do this kind of work.
- LBJsPNS 4y agoIf a company wants me to advertise their brand by wearing their logo, they can come negotiate a contract with me. Why else would I want to be a walking billboard? I assume people who wear such things are 1: terribly insecure, and B: terrible negotiators.
- mmmpop 4y agoWhat or who defines "status clothes"? Is it the little Lacoste alligator that sets people off? "How dare they spend $100 on a shirt just to piss me off!" I don't care much for your plain t-shirt with a fuck all Patagonia logo on the chest, but if I decided to not cooperate with that person, I'd have been out of a job by now.
- illwrks 4y agoA long time ago in one of the first properties I rented the washing machine stopped working. My flatmate called the agency and a day later, I think it was a Saturday morning, a rough looking man turned up to repair it. I remember he had a tattered pair of working jeans and a similarly tattered polo shirt on. He pulled the machine out, took it apart diagnosed the issue and popped out to his car get a part. While he was gone my flatmate clued me in to the fact that was the owner of the property, who also owned the agency, and in turn owned a awe-ful lot of property in the local area. The guy had popped out to his brand new land rover to dig out a part from the back. I was completely blown away at how humble and down to earth he was. Years later I worked with a guy, a multi-millionaire, the guy lives in one of the wealthiest neighbourhoods in London. Again dressed in a normal pair of jeans and t-shirt, nothing too noteworthy. I remember him telling me how dry and boring his neighbours are, too concerned with 'things'. When he wants to go for a pint rather than go to his local, he heads to the less well off area a few streets over to the pub there and enjoys the company of normal people. From these and other experiences I've come to think that the more you look, and act, like you've 'got money' the less you actually have.
- karaterobot 4y agoThat guy sounds genuine, but it gets weird when the very wealthy decide that dressing like 'regular people' is the style they want to go for. That's when you create a market for $250 pocket t-shirts and $600 denim jeans. Talk about not getting it!
- mywittyname 4y agoOh, they absolutely "get it." People quickly learn to dress for the occasion. When you go to a nephew's birthday party or something, you don't want to clue strangers in, so you take the Toyota and wear plain clothing. It's like a shibboleth, people who know what a $250 plain shirt looks like will get it, while everyone else is clueless.
- 3y350n1y 4y agoMmm, I'm not convinced. Generally speaking I think wealthy, business and even "custom-savvy" people - if you want to go that far - have enough business sense to realise paying $250 for a plain white shirt doesn't make any sense...
- jamal-kumar 4y agoI got a bunch of fake Supreme, Gucci and Versace one time cause I thought it was hilarious and I needed some fresh threads after sweating out most of my clothes being at the beach that weekend for the same night. After I got all these compliments from people on my clothes when I returned to North America like wow isn't that shirt 200$... Someone STOLE THE FAKE SUPREME SHIRT!!! Like... I got that for 5$ at a bus station in Latin America and all those shirts fell apart within a year anyways. I also remember going to a club wearing that supreme shirt and this other older guy had a fake supreme shit that just said "millennials" in the red bar instead which was great. He just kept on giving me the stink eye. His shirt was admittedly 10x better
- art3m 4y agoIt’s interesting as many financial frauds tends to flex flashy clothes with logos and people trust them a lot.
- todfox 4y agoI refuse to wear or display any corporate logo, even if I generally like the company or its products. I buy unbranded clothing. When I can't get something unbranded (like a decent parka), I remove or obliterate the logo. I covered the apple on my phone and computer with electrical tape, even though I've been a Mac user for nearly 30 years. I am not a billboard. I reject status and status seeking behavior. I refuse to help corporations with their marketing and promotion. I wouldn't even do it if they paid me because I am against advertising. It's all manipulative and depraved and it promotes status and class.
- slig 4y ago>I covered the apple on my phone and computer with electrical tape, even though I've been a Mac user for nearly 30 years. Doesn't that bring more attention to your computer?
- todfox 4y agoTrue, even attempts to avoid attention can paradoxically bring attention. I'm not really motivated by how others see me. My basic intent is to remove as many logos and commercial messages from my life as possible. With the MacBook, it really depends on how the blocking is done. If I put more effort into it and cover the entire lid very carefully I could make it look very unassuming. I'm content to just slap a piece of tape over the logo and be done. It's a game to me. I get pleasure out of blocking or fighting even the tiniest examples of corporate persuasion in my life. It's not for everyone. You do you.
- guerrilla 4y agoGlad I'm not the only one. I always feel weird about doing it but it matters to me. I find it shocking that other people don't get this.
- jcampbell1 4y agoI have a blockbuster video t-shirt that gets lots of laughs. Are we allowed to advertise already bankrupt businesses?
- jelliclesfarm 4y agoThe opposite is true for shoes/footwear.
- rockbruno 4y agoThis is surprisingly unexpected to me given that we know how the _opposite_ is true if you replace "wearing flash clothes" with "being pretty". Perhaps there's something to be said about natural beauty vs artificial beauty?
- FBISurveillance 4y agoI know it's a cliche, but I always thought that expensive clothes that scream brands (LV, Gucci, etc) are for poor people who want to look rich.
- EUROCARE 4y agoNow redo the study, but IRL and with actual status clothes == high quality materials, perfect fit, nice flashy style (that means zero logos!). I made this experiment: I have few really cheap suits (looking OK but that's it) and few very expensive suits. When I wear the cheap ones, people are normal with me. When I wear the expensive ones, people wearing normal clothes don't notice and people "in the know" (wearing expensive suits themselves) will start commenting on the quality of my materials, ask me about my tailor, etc - it's very obvious that it places me in their "friend" category immediately. Having luxury brand logo on me would get me laughed out of that room - nobody has anything against cheap clothes but expensive clothes with logos are ridiculous to every actually rich person, it's like that meme with an adult trying to be cool among teenagers - and it makes total sense that other people don't like someone trying to level themselves above them by fakery, that's just like driving a fifth-hand Mercedes-Benz S-Klasse from 2010 and talking about the price it had when it was manufactured all the time (and complaining about gas prices in the same sentence).
- googlryas 4y agoWhat room are you getting laughed out of that is composed of normal people in normal clothes and also rich people in expensive suits, but who would laugh someone out of the room in a luxury brand? This whole comment is bizarre to me, I'm not sure what to make of it. Who cares what is ridiculous to "actually rich people"? You realize they're also just people right, with their own biases and flaws?
- EUROCARE 4y agoSorry to confuse you, I didn't mean that to be one room, and luxury brands by themselves aren't laughable - clothing with big luxury brand logo is. The actually rich people are those who the wannabes want to emulate, that's why I feel it has relevance.
- googlryas 4y agoDo they though? Who sees someone in a fancy suit and then goes out and buys an expensive sweatshirt with a large logo trying to emulate them? I think it may be the case that they're just trying to emulate different people than you.
- kube-system 4y agoI don't think it's necessarily a good assumption that people treat self-chosen avatar representations the same way they'd treat an actual human. It is common for people to use avatars in a type of expression that they wouldn't do in real life, and the participants may have been affected by this. i.e. Avatars are free, fungible in quality, and those who choose those symbols they may be signaling an aspiration for these symbols. Rather than signaling an achievement for wealth or an appreciation for luxury, it may be signaling a desperation for wealth. Would the people who can actually afford luxury goods plaster those symbols on their avatars?
- happyopossum 4y agoWhile I may agree with the study's conclusions, the first line struck me as extremely biased and unscientific: "People who can afford luxury goods tend to buy them, and to show them off." In my experience, that's a crap shoot - some do, some don't. It also begs the question - what's a "luxury good" vs one that lasts longer, has more utility, etc?
- konfusinomicon 4y agoa lot of salt in these comments about fashion logo wear, which I mostly agree with, but what about band shirts? I'm strictly band shirts and have been for like 20 years. if there's one thing I'll freely advertise its the music that I like, and wearing the right shirt at the right time can bring happiness to and lead to some interesting interactions with peers and strangers alike. gone are the days of casual Friday so dress for success and rep your favorite music today
- vlunkr 4y agoPeople are real salty here. Yeah, being a walking billboard is pretty silly, but what if we like the way the logo looks? There's a reason The Misfits are more successful with merch than music: because people like to wear stuff with awesome skulls on it. Take your designer nonsense and give me cool logos any day.
- kwhitefoot 4y agoI wear colourful, and sometimes expensive, clothes all the time. My experience is that people are more willing to cooperate with me rather than less.
- 1-6 4y agoFrankly, I judge a person by their personal email address.
- encognito 4y agoA friend from the fashion industry's distilled and mostly-verbatim wisdom: Learn what expensive fabric feels like. Have a friend buy you 4 price tiers of clothing with the exact same fabric composition; try them on blindfolded. Focus on fabric only, not fit. At some price point you will stop feeling a difference. There's no reason to pay for what you can't feel. A 100-dollar shirt tailored for 30 dollars exceeds a 500-dollar shirt in appearance but not in feel. A hoodie is a hoodie at any price point. All denim looks identical. Jeans that are the exception to this rule usually come from smaller makers, usually cost over 250 dollars, and usually last 5 to 7 years, and will look best midway through its life when the way in which the threads wear betrays its quality, like a proper Persian rug. A 200-dollar suit is like a paper bag, no matter your tailor. Your tailor is your shirt's second-best friend. Your shirt's best friend is diet and exercise. If you dress too similarly to your colleagues, you are a school of fish. If you dress too differently, you are a shark, or a squid, or some other thing. Neither of these is a great idea. Never mention the brand of your clothing. Ever. Seriously. A logo is a brand's way of forcing you to mention them. And finally, my favorite: Look on the street. Nearly everyone is wearing something boring. And everyone got up in the morning and looked in the mirror and thought, "this is okay." If you saw one of my models walking along the street before we shoot, they would be the same! — except they're wearing beauty, also. But nobody believes buying the clothes could ever make you look that way. So that can't be what we're selling, no? What we are doing is taking a beautiful human and deciding what furniture to place them on, how to adjust their posture and expression, what country we'll be in, the exact hour of day, whether our photographer makes it all seem triumphant or melancholy or joyful or pensive. There must be some art to it, or everyone on the street would walk around looking as though they are moving from frame to frame in a series of friezes, and no one would pay me. You even know you are buying a fantasy from me, don't you? [Sure.] And can you tell me what that fantasy is? Not beauty... even the model's beauty is in service to, the idea that for a moment, everything in life falls into this perfect kind of space, some harmony... So to be stylish is to both take all this constantly in the same moment you appear that these things do not even exist to you — that you are as you might find a bird perched in a tree, just being, and meanwhile God smiled a beautiful poetry upon you. But I am guessing this is not the recommendation you were looking for.
- pugworthy 4y agoExcept for use of logos, it's interesting to look at this through the lens of upcoming Burning Man. This line caught my eye... > ...when a group that participants wanted to join stressed its desire for co-operative, prosocial people — the participants tended to become strategically modest... In some camps and groups at least, cooperative and prosocial people are what you want. And in theory that's what the larger Burning Man experience is/can be. There are some pretty chill camps I've been in where very unassuming people are actually very fascinating individuals with very intriguing lives. But at the same time, costumes and clothing are part of the fun. People wear some wild stuff. That said, there is clearly a boundary you can step over with clothing that will create a very negative reaction. Think feather headdress, sequins, etc. Think so called "influencers" trying to get their next photo shoot out to Instagram.
- 4b11b4 4y agoI remove any stitched on logos from my clothes before wearing them...
- caracustard 4y agoGreat, now all the supervisor-management-efficiency-productivity-optimization junkies have a perfect reason to mandate uniforms in workplaces that don't require a uniform. Way to go.