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I've been keto on and off for the last year and I've found it incredibly effective for weight loss. I understand the principles for effective weight loss, and w

I've been keto on and off for the last year and I've found it incredibly effective for weight loss. I understand the principles for effective weight loss, and while a lot of dieticians hate on keto, there is one thing that it taught me that no other diet did - read the label on packaged products in the store. Simply because of how strict keto is I began to read the breakdown for every single thing I purchase in the store. This may seem obvious to all but I never did it to the degree I do now. There is sugar in everything and the serving sizes are often completely ridiculous - I saw a protein bar where the serving size was half the bar! Other diets teach you food groups to eat and encourage but don't seem to have this side effect of teaching you just how messed up some packaged foods are.

joshgroban 4y ago
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- foxbarrington 4y ago
  Feel free to correct me with a source, but I don't think there is scientific consensus that keto is the ideal human diet. Why would anyone care that a famous (infamous?) psychologist (as opposed to a medical doctor, nutritionist, etc...) has asserted its benefits? His view might be more relevant than a world-renowned fish tank cleaner, but I don't think he is the authoritative source people need. For the record, I'm a fan and have noticed benefits in my own life.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Ahh… diet advice from a psychologist is like cryptography advice from a game developer: it might be right, but you shouldn't bet your future on it without at least getting a second opinion. Also, "deadliest hormone" is giving me DHMO vibes. Insulin does many things (way more than I realised before writing this comment), you don't want to eliminate it from your body regardless of you diet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin
- 908B64B197 4y ago
  > Dr. Jordan Peterson Since when did he get into med school?
  - the_jeremy 4y ago
    He has a PhD. Nothing in the parent comment claimed he was an MD (though they are basically just citing a random celebrity as proof).
    - 908B64B197 4y ago
      Well it sounds a lot like he's giving medical advices... People have been sued (and lost) for doing that.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - timbit42 4y ago
    He's the new messiah so, being God, he knows all.
- FalconSensei 4y ago
  > Insulin is the deadliest hormone known to man. So diabetics will die without it because?
colpabar 4y ago
This is exactly what happened to me as well. I did keto for ~8 months, lost a bunch of weight, and learned that 99% of what's in an american grocery store has a ton of added sugar. Even milk!
- tekno45 4y ago
  what milk are you drinking with ADDED sugar? https://www.usdairy.com/news-articles/does-milk-have-sugar#:~:text=So%2C%20is%20there%20added%20sugar,in%20each%208%2Dounce%20glass https://www.usdairy.com/news-articles/does-milk-have-sugar#:....
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
    Maybe it was chocolate milk.
    - dd36 4y ago
      Even butter!
  - nightski 4y ago
    Well that article is just flat out wrong. There are significant differences in carbohydrate count in 8 ounce glasses of skim, 2%, whole milk and half & half. At least in the US. I know because I pay close attention to labels. I use cronometer to track nutrients (macro & micro). It uses data source directly from NCCDB from the University of Minnesota.
    - stjohnswarts 4y ago
      They don't add milk in but processing it can add/take away the amount of sugar. Homogenized whole milk of course is what they start with. The processing is quite interesting if you take the time to read up on it. However nowhere do they add more sugar in.
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rajman187 4y ago
In most cases, ketogenic diets don’t result in actually reaching and sustaining kerosine. It would be best to measure levels, though even that isn’t extremely precise. Diets in general also tend toward caloric deficit, resulting in weight loss. Ketogenic diets are used to treat epileptic seizures but haven’t otherwise been studied in large enough populations to understand the ramifications of long-term glucose deficits in the human body. YMMV just be safe.
- XFrequentist 4y ago
  > haven’t otherwise been studied in large enough populations to understand the ramifications of long-term glucose deficits in the human body How's the "long-term glucose surplus" control group doing? (Kind of kidding, but it's not obvious why the "less exogenous glucose" condition would be a priori the risky one!)
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- Spivak 4y ago
  But that's every diet, they're all CICO at the end of the day, but different people need different tricks to get there. Being around people doing different diets the difference seems to be how your body in particular signals hunger. * For my friends that find Keto effective it seem their bodies seem to find fat/protein super satiating. * For my friends that find volume eating effective it seems like their hunger is more triggered on "stuff in stomach" where I can't stand that feeling. * For my friends that like IF their hunger seems to be time based. The common element for my IF friends is that they started their journey very overweight and so it's been years since they were actually hungry. * For me and my other ED friends we all seem to deal with hunger by getting over the initial pang and then just not eating until our bodies give up trying and then just coast on that. Obviously don't do this.
  - passivate 4y ago
    You're 100% correct. Its mostly about finding a system that works for you. As a format fat person I have internalized the fact that my body's hunger signal is broken and that 'eat when you are hungry' leads to weight gain for me. Focusing on the CO part of CICO, especially non exercise expenditure of energy has helped me keep my weight in check.
mbeex 4y ago
Those are the things that I learned as well. And some other related aspects like change in taste: sensitivity to unwanted sugar, eating (and enjoying!) chocolate with more than 90% cocoa, unsweetened whipped cream, etc. Control of cravings, and the claimed increase in concentration (but costs creativity as a downside) also occurred and were good experiences. I still think most people should not follow the diet without breaks, deficiencies simply exist in this one as well. I like my apple and also could not stand the sight of broccoli and cauliflower for a long time after finishing it. I'm living now according to some kind of relaxed low carb method, combined with occasional interval fasting (also allowing ketosis).
- missingrib 4y ago
  >but costs creativity as a downside Can you expand on this part? Never heard of this before.
dawnerd 4y ago
Did keto for half a year last year and lost almost 50lbs. I'm now doing it semi-regularly (hard to stay on when traveling so I just don't). It's been life changing. People that hate on it are the same ones that just say to exercise. Like ya tried that didn't work for me.
anothernewdude 4y ago
I had a similar thing, but without going full Keto. I still have pasta, potatoes and wholemeal bread for instance, but I fast 16 hours so I still have some ketosis going. I was trying to avoid sugar (i.e. Sucrose + Fructose, except for actual fruit), and replace oils and butter with olive oil. And for breakfast/lunch (because I still want to eat a normal dinner with my family) I eat the best possible versions of those. Porridge, Greek yoghurt, fruit and nuts.
- kjeetgill 4y ago
  I'm surprised 16 hours was enough. Don't want to knock your diet, whatever works works, but when I did keto and one meal a day I was measuring my being in ketosis with the urinalysis strips. It used to make me a good 2 - 3 weeks of near zero carbs to get into ketosis and if I had a full carb meal like pasta or pizza it would take me as long as 2-3 days to dip back into ketosis. That said, I wasn't working out as much as I could have been so that could make the difference. #broscience
  - mbeex 4y ago
    > It used to make me a good 2 - 3 weeks of near zero carbs to get into ketosis AFAIK this is virtually impossible if done as required by keto (the carbohydrate limit is quite tight, it is violated very quickly without objective bookkeeping) and you also control protein intake. The liver's glycogen store lasts about a day, after which you need to burn fat (maybe some muscle glycogen).
halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
It's amazing how after being on Keto for a while, everything tastes sweet when you go off, almost disgustingly so. The most surprising one: IPAs. I can barely drink heavy IPAs after going off Keto because my palette gets so wreaked from all the sugar. I've also learned to appreciate really dark chocolate; 90% being my go-to.
- tmm84 4y ago
  As someone who went from a standard American-esque diet to a mostly raw vegan diet (the bulk of what I had were salads, fruits, avocados, nuts and giant sweet potatoes [obviously cooked]). I found myself having the same ability to taste things in a very super sensitive way (fresh juicy pineapple was like an out of body experience). Things like fried food, sugary drinks and kids cereals were horrible tasting. My favorite occasional treat is non-sugar 100% cooking chocolate.
sdze 4y ago
Why would I want to limit myself with particular diets for weight loss when I can just cut calories and eat everything I want.

joshgroban 4y ago

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foxbarrington 4y ago
Feel free to correct me with a source, but I don't think there is scientific consensus that keto is the ideal human diet. Why would anyone care that a famous (infamous?) psychologist (as opposed to a medical doctor, nutritionist, etc...) has asserted its benefits? His view might be more relevant than a world-renowned fish tank cleaner, but I don't think he is the authoritative source people need. For the record, I'm a fan and have noticed benefits in my own life.
ben_w 4y ago
Ahh… diet advice from a psychologist is like cryptography advice from a game developer: it might be right, but you shouldn't bet your future on it without at least getting a second opinion. Also, "deadliest hormone" is giving me DHMO vibes. Insulin does many things (way more than I realised before writing this comment), you don't want to eliminate it from your body regardless of you diet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin
908B64B197 4y ago
> Dr. Jordan Peterson Since when did he get into med school?
- the_jeremy 4y ago
  He has a PhD. Nothing in the parent comment claimed he was an MD (though they are basically just citing a random celebrity as proof).
  - 908B64B197 4y ago
    Well it sounds a lot like he's giving medical advices... People have been sued (and lost) for doing that.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- timbit42 4y ago
  He's the new messiah so, being God, he knows all.
FalconSensei 4y ago
> Insulin is the deadliest hormone known to man. So diabetics will die without it because?

colpabar 4y ago

This is exactly what happened to me as well. I did keto for ~8 months, lost a bunch of weight, and learned that 99% of what's in an american grocery store has a ton of added sugar. Even milk!

tekno45 4y ago
what milk are you drinking with ADDED sugar? https://www.usdairy.com/news-articles/does-milk-have-sugar#:~:text=So%2C%20is%20there%20added%20sugar,in%20each%208%2Dounce%20glass https://www.usdairy.com/news-articles/does-milk-have-sugar#:....
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
  Maybe it was chocolate milk.
  - dd36 4y ago
    Even butter!
- nightski 4y ago
  Well that article is just flat out wrong. There are significant differences in carbohydrate count in 8 ounce glasses of skim, 2%, whole milk and half & half. At least in the US. I know because I pay close attention to labels. I use cronometer to track nutrients (macro & micro). It uses data source directly from NCCDB from the University of Minnesota.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    They don't add milk in but processing it can add/take away the amount of sugar. Homogenized whole milk of course is what they start with. The processing is quite interesting if you take the time to read up on it. However nowhere do they add more sugar in.
    - deleted 4y ago

rajman187 4y ago

In most cases, ketogenic diets don’t result in actually reaching and sustaining kerosine. It would be best to measure levels, though even that isn’t extremely precise. Diets in general also tend toward caloric deficit, resulting in weight loss. Ketogenic diets are used to treat epileptic seizures but haven’t otherwise been studied in large enough populations to understand the ramifications of long-term glucose deficits in the human body. YMMV just be safe.

XFrequentist 4y ago
> haven’t otherwise been studied in large enough populations to understand the ramifications of long-term glucose deficits in the human body How's the "long-term glucose surplus" control group doing? (Kind of kidding, but it's not obvious why the "less exogenous glucose" condition would be a priori the risky one!)
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Spivak 4y ago
But that's every diet, they're all CICO at the end of the day, but different people need different tricks to get there. Being around people doing different diets the difference seems to be how your body in particular signals hunger. * For my friends that find Keto effective it seem their bodies seem to find fat/protein super satiating. * For my friends that find volume eating effective it seems like their hunger is more triggered on "stuff in stomach" where I can't stand that feeling. * For my friends that like IF their hunger seems to be time based. The common element for my IF friends is that they started their journey very overweight and so it's been years since they were actually hungry. * For me and my other ED friends we all seem to deal with hunger by getting over the initial pang and then just not eating until our bodies give up trying and then just coast on that. Obviously don't do this.
- passivate 4y ago
  You're 100% correct. Its mostly about finding a system that works for you. As a format fat person I have internalized the fact that my body's hunger signal is broken and that 'eat when you are hungry' leads to weight gain for me. Focusing on the CO part of CICO, especially non exercise expenditure of energy has helped me keep my weight in check.

mbeex 4y ago

Those are the things that I learned as well. And some other related aspects like change in taste: sensitivity to unwanted sugar, eating (and enjoying!) chocolate with more than 90% cocoa, unsweetened whipped cream, etc. Control of cravings, and the claimed increase in concentration (but costs creativity as a downside) also occurred and were good experiences. I still think most people should not follow the diet without breaks, deficiencies simply exist in this one as well. I like my apple and also could not stand the sight of broccoli and cauliflower for a long time after finishing it. I'm living now according to some kind of relaxed low carb method, combined with occasional interval fasting (also allowing ketosis).

missingrib 4y ago
>but costs creativity as a downside Can you expand on this part? Never heard of this before.

dawnerd 4y ago

Did keto for half a year last year and lost almost 50lbs. I'm now doing it semi-regularly (hard to stay on when traveling so I just don't). It's been life changing. People that hate on it are the same ones that just say to exercise. Like ya tried that didn't work for me.

anothernewdude 4y ago

I had a similar thing, but without going full Keto. I still have pasta, potatoes and wholemeal bread for instance, but I fast 16 hours so I still have some ketosis going. I was trying to avoid sugar (i.e. Sucrose + Fructose, except for actual fruit), and replace oils and butter with olive oil. And for breakfast/lunch (because I still want to eat a normal dinner with my family) I eat the best possible versions of those. Porridge, Greek yoghurt, fruit and nuts.

kjeetgill 4y ago
I'm surprised 16 hours was enough. Don't want to knock your diet, whatever works works, but when I did keto and one meal a day I was measuring my being in ketosis with the urinalysis strips. It used to make me a good 2 - 3 weeks of near zero carbs to get into ketosis and if I had a full carb meal like pasta or pizza it would take me as long as 2-3 days to dip back into ketosis. That said, I wasn't working out as much as I could have been so that could make the difference. #broscience
- mbeex 4y ago
  > It used to make me a good 2 - 3 weeks of near zero carbs to get into ketosis AFAIK this is virtually impossible if done as required by keto (the carbohydrate limit is quite tight, it is violated very quickly without objective bookkeeping) and you also control protein intake. The liver's glycogen store lasts about a day, after which you need to burn fat (maybe some muscle glycogen).

halfmatthalfcat 4y ago

It's amazing how after being on Keto for a while, everything tastes sweet when you go off, almost disgustingly so. The most surprising one: IPAs. I can barely drink heavy IPAs after going off Keto because my palette gets so wreaked from all the sugar. I've also learned to appreciate really dark chocolate; 90% being my go-to.

tmm84 4y ago
As someone who went from a standard American-esque diet to a mostly raw vegan diet (the bulk of what I had were salads, fruits, avocados, nuts and giant sweet potatoes [obviously cooked]). I found myself having the same ability to taste things in a very super sensitive way (fresh juicy pineapple was like an out of body experience). Things like fried food, sugary drinks and kids cereals were horrible tasting. My favorite occasional treat is non-sugar 100% cooking chocolate.

sdze 4y ago

Why would I want to limit myself with particular diets for weight loss when I can just cut calories and eat everything I want.