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Sublime Text 4 (Build 4126)
- naltun 5y agoEven though I haven't met a Sublime user in a few years, it still must be popular since it's at v4. Last time I checked, Sublime was still proprietary, which is the reason I had skipped using it. I've heard Sublime has some useful features, though. If it's in their interest, I hope they decide liberate / open their source code. E: misspelling
- e-dant 5y agoAs of writing there is no disclosure of any particular license on their website for sublime text. I must have overlooked this. While most of my programming is over ssh with vim, I’ve very much enjoyed Sublime on my own systems. Minimalism and unobtrusiveness has been very appealing to me. Free software is more important, though, so perhaps it’s back to vim, then. I wish that the Xi editor was maintained more efficiently than it is. Are you aware of good IDE’s besides vim and emacs? What do you use? I love vim but sometimes I just want something “friendlier” for a change.
- tomrod 5y agoHonestly? Gedit, vscodium, geany are wonderful tools. Not bloated, just enough to hop into code. A lot of people swear by jetbrains. I'm still a newb with it but I can see it being useful. But I learned to not hold my shift key too much (and disable defaults). Search everywhere is nice but difficult to use if you have motor difficulties.
- rahen 5y agoGood, lightweight, OSS text editors for the main platforms: - Linux: gedit, geany - macOS: TextMate - Windows: Notepad++ And the one to rule them all: emacs (also gvim).
- hn_throwaway_69 5y agoIt's a paid product with a team who need to earn a living wage. It's not like VS Code where the team is bankrolled by a big organisation making its money on other proprietary products. In light of the above, it makes sense for it to be proprietary and closed source. Were it open source, people could fork it and distribute it freely, with no remuneration going back to the developers. I doubt the developers could offer any other incentive such as support to make up the shortfall. "Source available" licences where the user is prohibited from providing the software to others doesn't meet the FSF's definition of freedom, so even that wouldn't please everyone.
- dralley 5y agoI use Sublime as my primary editor. It's just so much faster than every other GUI editor, even VSCode which is "tolerable". I can open multi-gigabyte XML files without bringing my computer to its knees. The extension ecosystem is pretty weak compared to VSCode but it does what I need. And something is just better about the way Sublime renders text. It's easier on the eyes. And the multi-line / multi-cursor editing flow is better. I still pull out other editors if I need some advanced refactoring or debugging feature but if I can avoid it, I do.
- jmull 5y agoAs a software developer I prefer to pay for my text editor. As one of the people supporting it’s continuing existence, I think there will be more focus on what I need. For open source projects, the focus will be (and should be) on what the people putting in the time and money need. There’s considerable overhead (in terms of optimizing workflows) to switching editors too, so just because an editor is good for today doesn’t mean it will be good tomorrow. Not that proprietary editors can’t change in a way negative for me. I just figure it’s less likely and, over time, will happen less often. Of course, I could have the perfect editor by doing my own, but it’s orders of magnitudes less effort to pay someone $x. (Personally, I think sublime should go to a subscription model. Pay per release encourages feature bloat, which I do not want in a text editor.)
- etothet 5y agoI still use Sublime for when I want to visually edit each line of large text files. I find the performance to be superior to alternatives, but it’s been a while since I’ve done a comparison.
- squeaky-clean 5y agoSublime is still the best by far if you need to edit a gigabyte large json file or something massive like that.
- pier25 5y agoI used ST 2 and 3 for almost a decade. A couple of months ago I switched to VSCode. Yes it's slower and clunkier but the extensions ecosystem is worth it. And also features like intellisense, unused vars, automatic updates of imports on file renames, and a long etc of QOL features ST doesn't have interest or capacity in implementing.
- ben-schaaf 5y agoDeveloper at Sublime HQ here, pleasant surprise to see this stable build reach the front page :) If you have any questions related to ST or otherwise feel free to ask.
- melony 5y agoAny plans for native WSL integration similar to VS Code?
- ben-schaaf 5y agoWe don't have any current plans to do built-in remote editing, especially not anything platform-specific. It's particularly difficult to get right - especially regarding security - and not one we'd likely ever use at Sublime HQ ourselves.
- jokoon 5y agoPlease fix the issue on code folding being based on indentation and not syntax. People regularly write on this issue and it's still not fixed. That's the only thing that stands between me and buying ST.
- karmakaze 5y agoI wasn't aware that this is an issue. It seems to me that the existing feature is 'text-based' folding rather than 'code-based'. I wouldn't notice as indentation very closely follows the code block structure in most of the code-bases I edit. It could be useful to open a feature request for 'code-based' folding, if the existing 'text-based' one is considered to be working as intended. That way we're not fighting over a definition but rather showing demand for a new capability that everyone would agree is absent.
- jokoon 5y agoFor info, I was talking about this one: https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/101 https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/101 Editors like visual studio IDE properly fold code so that it results in a compact layout once it's folded. I would guess indentation-based folding could be made more compact and not take unnecessary lines.
- kgarten 5y agoReally Like Sublime Text for cross platform work (especially when I need to edit code under windows). Yet, really love Nova https://nova.app/ https://nova.app/ for mac, super polished. Though for day to day, i switched to nvim and neovide (rust frontend). Given that, I guess I spent too much money on text editors ...
- kvark 5y agoI have a feeling that the recent move to OpenGL rendering for Sublime was a mistake. I know, we did with Firefox and WebRender as well. And yet, when compiling a heavy project on a modern machine, I can scroll fine in Firefox, but Sublime chugs, becoming unusable. For Sublime, it should be assumed that some code is compiling all the time!
- ben-schaaf 5y agoOpenGL rendering is only enabled by default on macOS. Perhaps you don't have it enabled?
- kvark 5y agoInteresting! I’ll try force-enabling it and report back. I don’t recall sublime-3 chugging as much, fwiw.
- galfarragem 5y agoThat's exactly why I still use Sublime3 on my 10 year old, Win7 laptop. Sublime3 works like a charm. If I didn't mind a "slow" tool, I would use VScode instead.
- kyrra 5y agoWhat did it use prior to opengl? Is there a blog o anything that talks about that move?
- TheFreim 5y agoIt's been years since I used sublime text, has anything changed that users have found noteworthy since ~2016?
- gonzus 5y agoI personally favor it because I find it abhorrent to load a bloated electron application to do... text editing, but I also wanted to have some of the niceties of a more modern editor. This is why I am giving it a try (and, so far, liking it).
- dlojudice 5y agomaybe out of nostalgia, I always have Sublime installed on my computer. nowadays if i need a draft for a copy/paste or need to annotate something fast I use Sublime, which is always running. it became something like my advanced notepad
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y agoMy general-purpose text editor (and has been, since last century) is BBEdit, but Sublime is also excellent (It handles extra-large text files better, so I use it for them). I use BBEdit because of "muscle memory." TextMate was also a big one, but I never got into it. VSCode is excellent, but I don't think that I do enough of the kind of coding that VSCode is optimized for, to make it worth it.
- kyrra 5y agoI tried sublime this year now that it has an LSP (language server), along with the Go plugin. Maybe it would take more getting used to, but VSCode has done such a great job for coding in. Sublime's project view just wasn't as good either. I really still like sublime for editing text or log files on my dev system, but not for development. https://github.com/sublimelsp/LSP https://github.com/sublimelsp/LSP
- henning 5y agoI recently tried Sublime again. It feels much snappier and more responsive than VS Code. Very enjoyable to use.
- panta82 5y agoI agree. I know new engine is supposed to speed up rendering, but on my linux boxes, everything feels slightly slower than before. Not a big deal for an IDE or IDE light, but for what I use sublime for (quick text editing), it's a disappointing change.
- ben-schaaf 5y agoNote that OpenGL rendering isn't enabled by default. If you've enabled it and it's slower I'd love to find out why, otherwise without it enabled the rendering hasn't changed.
- whalesalad 5y agoI still daily drive Sublime. I haven’t found an editor with less latency. It’s so fast and so consistent. VS Code feels like Eclipse in comparison.
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- tehbeard 5y agoDaily driving to do what type of work exactly? I've been using VS Code for years now, and while it is measurably slower (I still use sublime to handle ad-hoc grepping log files as code just won't handle that, and scrollable, highlighting and multicursor is MUCH better than smacking bash pipes together), the batteries included "It just works" approach of code means I don't really see a reason to head back. Maybe it's changed since the sublime 2/3 days, but the packages ecosystem always felt a bit unpolished and anemic.
- Grieving 5y agoI don't use Sublime often anymore, but it's the only graphical editor I can work with. I can't help but get exasperated at the constant, admittedly small, delays with VS Code. I'm talking about small things like the delays when popping open and using the fuzzy finder, the time it takes for a project-wide file search to complete, typed characters showing up just a tiny bit later. Whereas Sublime, for its faults, feels well-oiled, VS Code feels gummy and unable to keep up with me. I know I'm being picky, but it's hard to turn off once you're aware of it, like recognizing bad kerning. >Maybe it's changed since the sublime 2/3 days, but the packages ecosystem always felt a bit unpolished and anemic. As far as I can tell it's only gotten worse. The rise of Atom and then VS Code sapped a lot of the energy that went into creating plugins.
- 404mm 5y agoI had a similar experience. Plugins I needed had a strong MVP vibe and had only portion of features implemented. I ended up with VSCode that I still don’t really like but it gets me what I need.
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- toastercat 5y agoAdd me to the list of folks who choose Sublime over VSCode as their main editor. It is much faster and less bogged down by the inherent bloat of VSCode. I find that I prefer CLI utilities over VSCode extensions anyway, so everything works out in the end. Also Sublime-LSP is awesome.
- amrox 5y agoIs there any kind of remote development support (ssh, docker) in Sublime? That’s the killer feature that keeps me on VS Code.
- pketh 5y agoeveryone's mentioning the speed (as they should), but I also prefer sublimeText for the GUI (or lack thereof). After a decade of using it, the keyboard shortcuts are also hardwired into my soul. I also started using sublime Merge recently and I think I may feel the same way about it
- umvi 5y ago> After a decade of using it, the keyboard shortcuts are also hardwired into my soul That used to be my reason for not using VSCode, but then I started using this: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscode.sublime-keybindings https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscod...
- heelix 5y agoThere is only a handful of software (outside of games) that I'll shell out my own personal funds for. This is one of them. This is one of the few text editors that can handle stupid large files nicely. It 'remembers' what you have open, even if you don't save - so if the IT department does that random patch, you don't lose anything. Syntax highlighting and tool plugins, so it can make for a reasonable light weight code editor. The experience on Linux, OSX, and Windows is the same. The ability to do vertical column selection and insertion makes it crazy easy to make quick and dirty scripts with copy/paste data from other sources.
- baskethead 5y agoYep, me too. I bought ST2, got the free upgrade to ST3, and recently paid for ST4. I install it across my Windows and Mac computers and it’s still great. It’s my go to text editor for years now.
- kwanbix 5y agoUltraEdit is very much what you describe. But the column mode is much better IMHO.
- nsonha 5y agoYeah I remember back when I was testing this which was about 7 years ago, UltraEdit performed the best on large files
- PascLeRasc 5y agoThrowing this out here since you mentioned it - does anyone else get tons of hangups and temporary frozen windows using Sublime with unsaved files? I’ve always had this on a bunch of different Macs and some Linux machines. I don’t like working around by saving either, sometimes I just want a scratchpad.
- otachack 5y agoThat's interesting! I'll have to try it out as most my interactions with ST revolve around saving files.
- jpe90 5y agoI recently saw there was a new Clojure plugin for Sublime Text called Sublime Clojure by Tonsky: https://github.com/tonsky/sublime-clojure https://github.com/tonsky/sublime-clojure In his documentation he mentions that he made the plugin in part because he did not want Paredit mandated by a plugin. I was curious to see what kind of structural editing he used instead, so I tuned into one of his streams. Turns out he just writes raw lisp in sublime text, and he's fast as hell at it too. Since then I've been trying out using Sublime for Clojure development and falling back on Intellij when I need anything more than basic inline/REBL debugging, and I'm very happy with it so far.
- Daunk 5y agoI love Sublime, but I've always felt like the whole "package" system is a bit of a mess. There's no consistent anywhere either, working with one build system is usually not the same as in the next one. I feel like VS Code does this part a lot better, which is why I use Sublime as a general text browser and VS Code where I do all my serious remote coding.
- tuananh 5y agothis build always freeze on startup for me (pop os 21.10, wayland) build 4119 works fine though
- ben-schaaf 5y agoI suggest submitting a bug report, under the menu: Help > Report a Bug
- strzibny 5y agoI have a license because I have a thing for speed and feel of Sublime. There is nothing like it. I write my Ruby and Elixir code with it, even if I know I get better experience with other tools. I wrote my book Deployment from Scratch with Sublime as well. I sometimes evaluate other editors but so far always returned :).
- piafraus 5y agoSomeone who tried ST3 and sure, it feels a bit better than Notepad++. But it's not $100 worth of better
- zzyzxd 5y agoI live in command line most of the time, but Sublime Text is always my default editor to open any text files in a GUI file manager on any operating system. When it notified me about the version 4 license change, I was ready to make the purchase. However, it has been a while since then and, besides the "LICENSE UPGRADE REQUIRED" text on the top right corner, I still can't notice any restriction. The current installation still has my license purchased for v2 applied. I just upgraded to build 4126 today and it worked fine. Am I misunderstanding the licensing terms or is this a bug?
- shaicoleman 5y agoThere are no restrictions, and you're free to evaluate the software for however long you need. You're expected to purchase a license if you continue to use the software. They're just asking nicely instead of crippling their software after an arbitrary time limit.
- DesiLurker 5y agoI use sublime 3 on my linux dev box all the time & even have paid for it. there is one extremely annoying bug that keeps me periodically switching to other editors out of frustration. It happens when you have multiple desktop panes/workspaces and you are working in say pane 1 but there is a sublime window open in pane 3. now when I say sublime open a file in pane 1 I am suddenly transported to pane 3 and and the file is opened there. this is super frustrating because I lose all my mental context and focus that I now have to reacquire. if anybody from sublime is reading this please fix this ASAP.
- Dma54rhs 5y agoInteresting enough this big or feature is on Windows as well. For some reason Sublime always opens / switches to first desktop no matter what. Really drives me insane.
- ilrwbwrkhv 5y agoI wished sublime text worked well with the typescript ecosystem. For example automatically importing the right file when using a symbol.