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https://g.nh.ee/images/pix/1200x0/lYFSVUXJ5XY/1d2e261794d4d304e0-94980189.jpg?up=1 https://g.nh.ee/images/pix/1200x0/lYFSVUXJ5XY/1d2e261794d4d3... This QR code

by clon 5y ago

https://g.nh.ee/images/pix/1200x0/lYFSVUXJ5XY/1d2e261794d4d304e0-94980189.jpg?up=1 https://g.nh.ee/images/pix/1200x0/lYFSVUXJ5XY/1d2e261794d4d3... This QR code proves Adolf Hitler has received 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine. At the moment you can still use the Estonian app to verify this (https://kontroll.digilugu.ee https://kontroll.digilugu.ee). Probably this specific cert will be revoked soon in all the apps. But the cat is out of the bag. Everyone's grandparents will need to do the certificate retrieval dance again, which is another confusion that we did not need at this critical junction. Someone out there has a serious problem with ethics. Or someone really screwed up to the point where it was obvious that a responsible disclosure was already a moot point. In my experience, CERT-EU is normally very competent and would have handled it professionally.

rmetzler 5y ago
It's also shown as valid by the German CovPassCheck app.
- soco 5y ago
  Maybe there's a real person named Adolf Hitler? Not from Germany for sure.
  - SahAssar 5y ago
    Maybe from Austria?
  - SergeAx 5y ago
    Born at January 1st 1900, right)
  - gumby 5y ago
    A family in New Jersey USA had their children taken away from them after naming one of their kids that. They attracted attention by ordering a birthday cake with the then 3yo’s name on it. I have a friend whose older brother is named Adolf, born in Berlin in the early 1940s and still lives there. I’ve always wanted to ask why he didn’t change his name but what an awkward question. I am surprised Dolf Lundgren didn’t choose a completely different stage name (though he’s Swedish). The NJ situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Hitler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Hitler
    - Hamuko 5y ago
      >I am surprised Dolf Lundgren didn’t choose a completely different stage name (though he’s Swedish). Isn't his name Dolph? And I would've never actually thought about "Adolf" when seeing his name, so I don't really see that he would've needed to do that.
  - ARandomerDude 5y ago
    > Not from Germany for sure. Is it illegal to name a child Adolf Hitler in Germany? Serious question, not sarcasm.
    - azzzy 5y ago
      it is illegal
      - clon 5y ago
        It strikes me as one of those things that society is perfectly happy self-regulating
        ygjb 5y ago
        One would assume, but unfortunately as another comment in this thread illustrated, there is no bottom when probing the depth of the depravity inspired by ignorant hatred.
        Hamuko 5y ago
        Sometimes it doesn't really feel like parents think too hard about their child's well-being when naming them. They actually publish the list of names that were rejected because of Finnish naming laws and while the list doesn't say if it was a parent seeking a name for a child, or an adult for themselves, I imagine there are many that are seeking them for a child. For example, "Decepticon", "Marihuana", "Sukka" (literally means "sock"). And as a famous example from across the pond, Elon Musk comes to mind.
    - pfg 5y ago
      There's no actual written law on this, but the relevant authority (Standesamt) has to take the child's welfare into account when accepting names, and may reject them as a matter of common law. (I suppose it's possible this would be under the purview of the Verbotsgesetz as well, but it wouldn't get that far due to the name being rejected.)
    - Lev1a 5y ago
      > Is it illegal to name a child Adolf Hitler in Germany? Not necessarily (from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorname_(Deutschland)#Rechtliche_Situation https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorname_(Deutschland)#Rechtlic... , roughly translated into English): The law on giving names in Germany is not passed through legislation but is instead the result of customary law and legal precedent/judgements. Exceptions are for example in changing of the given name(s) involving adoption or in the application of §1 TSG ("transsexual law"). After the birth of a child its first name is decided by their parents (or the singular legal guardian) although there are certain guidelines for the naming. The first name... - ... has to be recognizable as a first name - ... can be of neutral gender (had to be obviously male or female until 2008) - ... must not be damaging to the child, for example inviting ridicule or making a connection to "Evil", e.g. "Judas" or "Kain" ("Cain" in English). The first name Adolf despite its tainting through the dictator could potentially be legal depending on the parents' motives - ... must not be damaging to the religious feelings of other people in society, for example "Christus", in the past also "Jesus" which has since been declared legal by a court - ... must not be a well known name for a place/town/city or a trademark - ... must not be a family name, with some exceptions - ... must not contain a title like "Lord" or "Princess" - ... must be given within a month of the birth. A person can have multiple, but has to have at least one first name. The local can also intervene in the giving of too many first names if that would otherwise come to harm the child (one ruling made it so a mother could not give her child twelve but only a maximum of five first names). When given multiple first names the one most often used to address the person is called the "Rufname" (approximate English equivalent "nickname"). The arrangement of the first names is not a ranking. Following a German supreme court decision (1959) a person is free to choose from their official first names by which they'd like to be addressed, the "nickname" is thus not set permanently. A child's first names have to differ from their siblings', if there are multiple first names, one can be the same as a sibling's. Three first names must not be connected by dashes (e.g. "Jan-Marius-Severin"). - snip, long paragraph on the history of the requirement for an obvious gender of the first name(s), important part to follow - Following a supreme court decision in 2008, there is no such requirement in the law, the earlier "requirement" came from an official directive given to the registrar's offices ("Standesämter"). Thus the name-giving by the parents continues to only be restricted by the "no harm to the child" or if "there is no possible way for the child to identify their sex/gender [1] from the name". In Germany, exceptions allow for the later change of one's own first name(s). For example immigrants have the option to "Germanize" their names or, if that's impossible, choose new first names. Furthermore there's the option to change one's first name(s) if the person has always been called by a different name or if they can't deal with their "exotic" first name. In addition trans people have the option to change their first name to fall in line with their gender identity (for which on German identity documents the options are "male", "female" or "diverse"). [1]: don't know which is meant here, "Geschlecht" is (colloquially) used for both words in German
piaste 5y ago
It (already?) records as invalid in the Italian app.
- jerheinze 5y ago
  I think they might be checking against the online database, can you try to see if you replicate it offline? (if that's even possible)
- ProZsolt 5y ago
  It works with the latest VerificaC19(Android)
tomp 5y ago
Personally I think it is unethical not to leak it. Technology is the best way to fight surveillance-oppression.
- peakaboo 5y ago
  Completely agree with you but that opinion is based on understanding that covid was created in a lab, and the vaccines are a power and money grab or worse.
- phantomathkg 5y ago
  So you are saying we shouldn’t trust whether others have been vaccinated or not? Or should we fallback to paper cert?
  - tomp 5y ago
    I think you should get vaccinated and then trust that vaccine works (if you’re worried about the virus).
    - malermeister 5y ago
      That talking point completely ignores the dynamics of infectious disease.
      - __blockcipher__ 5y ago
        So do the COVID vaccine mandates, frankly. Relatively short lived (~months) protection against infection, which itself comes at the cost of encouraging vaccine escape variants to become the dominant strain. Furthermore while protection against infection/transmission wanes incredibly quickly compared to natural immunity, the protection against severe disease/hospitalization does much less so. Therefore it is quite silly for a vaccinated person with a functioning immune system to be afraid of catching COVID. (This is usually the point in the discussion where people start saying "what about this one super rare immunocompromised person who the vaccine doesn't work well for"...) So the whole idea of population-level vaccination to stop the spread is absurd on its face. And the real world data only further underscores that (mass vaccination did not stop the 2021 waves, and if anything it seems like vaccination helped briefly prevent some people from acquiring natural immunity due to briefly protection them against infection, which just made the vaccinated population even better substrate when Delta came roaring). If someone's concerned about COVID, they need to get vaccinated and stop trying to control everyone around them. It's really quite simple. The collectivist benefit of vaccination is poor at best, and has a lot of theoretical concerns associated with it such as https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198 https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/jou.... Whereas the individual benefit wrt mortality&morbidity is a much stronger argument.
untitaker_ 5y ago
>Everyone's grandparents will need to do the certificate retrieval dance again it's very questionable whether this is true. revocation can be done many different ways, reissuing can be made more convenient too
mfru 5y ago
The Austrian app is verifying it as well still: https://greencheck.gv.at/ https://greencheck.gv.at/

by clon 5y ago

rmetzler 5y ago

It's also shown as valid by the German CovPassCheck app.

soco 5y ago
Maybe there's a real person named Adolf Hitler? Not from Germany for sure.
- SahAssar 5y ago
  Maybe from Austria?
- SergeAx 5y ago
  Born at January 1st 1900, right)
- gumby 5y ago
  A family in New Jersey USA had their children taken away from them after naming one of their kids that. They attracted attention by ordering a birthday cake with the then 3yo’s name on it. I have a friend whose older brother is named Adolf, born in Berlin in the early 1940s and still lives there. I’ve always wanted to ask why he didn’t change his name but what an awkward question. I am surprised Dolf Lundgren didn’t choose a completely different stage name (though he’s Swedish). The NJ situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Hitler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Hitler
  - Hamuko 5y ago
    >I am surprised Dolf Lundgren didn’t choose a completely different stage name (though he’s Swedish). Isn't his name Dolph? And I would've never actually thought about "Adolf" when seeing his name, so I don't really see that he would've needed to do that.
- ARandomerDude 5y ago
  > Not from Germany for sure. Is it illegal to name a child Adolf Hitler in Germany? Serious question, not sarcasm.
  - azzzy 5y ago
    it is illegal
    - clon 5y ago
      It strikes me as one of those things that society is perfectly happy self-regulating
      - ygjb 5y ago
        One would assume, but unfortunately as another comment in this thread illustrated, there is no bottom when probing the depth of the depravity inspired by ignorant hatred.
      - Hamuko 5y ago
        Sometimes it doesn't really feel like parents think too hard about their child's well-being when naming them. They actually publish the list of names that were rejected because of Finnish naming laws and while the list doesn't say if it was a parent seeking a name for a child, or an adult for themselves, I imagine there are many that are seeking them for a child. For example, "Decepticon", "Marihuana", "Sukka" (literally means "sock"). And as a famous example from across the pond, Elon Musk comes to mind.
  - pfg 5y ago
    There's no actual written law on this, but the relevant authority (Standesamt) has to take the child's welfare into account when accepting names, and may reject them as a matter of common law. (I suppose it's possible this would be under the purview of the Verbotsgesetz as well, but it wouldn't get that far due to the name being rejected.)
  - Lev1a 5y ago
    > Is it illegal to name a child Adolf Hitler in Germany? Not necessarily (from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorname_(Deutschland)#Rechtliche_Situation https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorname_(Deutschland)#Rechtlic... , roughly translated into English): The law on giving names in Germany is not passed through legislation but is instead the result of customary law and legal precedent/judgements. Exceptions are for example in changing of the given name(s) involving adoption or in the application of §1 TSG ("transsexual law"). After the birth of a child its first name is decided by their parents (or the singular legal guardian) although there are certain guidelines for the naming. The first name... - ... has to be recognizable as a first name - ... can be of neutral gender (had to be obviously male or female until 2008) - ... must not be damaging to the child, for example inviting ridicule or making a connection to "Evil", e.g. "Judas" or "Kain" ("Cain" in English). The first name Adolf despite its tainting through the dictator could potentially be legal depending on the parents' motives - ... must not be damaging to the religious feelings of other people in society, for example "Christus", in the past also "Jesus" which has since been declared legal by a court - ... must not be a well known name for a place/town/city or a trademark - ... must not be a family name, with some exceptions - ... must not contain a title like "Lord" or "Princess" - ... must be given within a month of the birth. A person can have multiple, but has to have at least one first name. The local can also intervene in the giving of too many first names if that would otherwise come to harm the child (one ruling made it so a mother could not give her child twelve but only a maximum of five first names). When given multiple first names the one most often used to address the person is called the "Rufname" (approximate English equivalent "nickname"). The arrangement of the first names is not a ranking. Following a German supreme court decision (1959) a person is free to choose from their official first names by which they'd like to be addressed, the "nickname" is thus not set permanently. A child's first names have to differ from their siblings', if there are multiple first names, one can be the same as a sibling's. Three first names must not be connected by dashes (e.g. "Jan-Marius-Severin"). - snip, long paragraph on the history of the requirement for an obvious gender of the first name(s), important part to follow - Following a supreme court decision in 2008, there is no such requirement in the law, the earlier "requirement" came from an official directive given to the registrar's offices ("Standesämter"). Thus the name-giving by the parents continues to only be restricted by the "no harm to the child" or if "there is no possible way for the child to identify their sex/gender [1] from the name". In Germany, exceptions allow for the later change of one's own first name(s). For example immigrants have the option to "Germanize" their names or, if that's impossible, choose new first names. Furthermore there's the option to change one's first name(s) if the person has always been called by a different name or if they can't deal with their "exotic" first name. In addition trans people have the option to change their first name to fall in line with their gender identity (for which on German identity documents the options are "male", "female" or "diverse"). [1]: don't know which is meant here, "Geschlecht" is (colloquially) used for both words in German

piaste 5y ago

It (already?) records as invalid in the Italian app.

jerheinze 5y ago
I think they might be checking against the online database, can you try to see if you replicate it offline? (if that's even possible)
ProZsolt 5y ago
It works with the latest VerificaC19(Android)

tomp 5y ago

Personally I think it is unethical not to leak it. Technology is the best way to fight surveillance-oppression.

peakaboo 5y ago
Completely agree with you but that opinion is based on understanding that covid was created in a lab, and the vaccines are a power and money grab or worse.
phantomathkg 5y ago
So you are saying we shouldn’t trust whether others have been vaccinated or not? Or should we fallback to paper cert?
- tomp 5y ago
  I think you should get vaccinated and then trust that vaccine works (if you’re worried about the virus).
  - malermeister 5y ago
    That talking point completely ignores the dynamics of infectious disease.
    - __blockcipher__ 5y ago
      So do the COVID vaccine mandates, frankly. Relatively short lived (~months) protection against infection, which itself comes at the cost of encouraging vaccine escape variants to become the dominant strain. Furthermore while protection against infection/transmission wanes incredibly quickly compared to natural immunity, the protection against severe disease/hospitalization does much less so. Therefore it is quite silly for a vaccinated person with a functioning immune system to be afraid of catching COVID. (This is usually the point in the discussion where people start saying "what about this one super rare immunocompromised person who the vaccine doesn't work well for"...) So the whole idea of population-level vaccination to stop the spread is absurd on its face. And the real world data only further underscores that (mass vaccination did not stop the 2021 waves, and if anything it seems like vaccination helped briefly prevent some people from acquiring natural immunity due to briefly protection them against infection, which just made the vaccinated population even better substrate when Delta came roaring). If someone's concerned about COVID, they need to get vaccinated and stop trying to control everyone around them. It's really quite simple. The collectivist benefit of vaccination is poor at best, and has a lot of theoretical concerns associated with it such as https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198 https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/jou.... Whereas the individual benefit wrt mortality&morbidity is a much stronger argument.

untitaker_ 5y ago

>Everyone's grandparents will need to do the certificate retrieval dance again it's very questionable whether this is true. revocation can be done many different ways, reissuing can be made more convenient too

mfru 5y ago

The Austrian app is verifying it as well still: https://greencheck.gv.at/ https://greencheck.gv.at/