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"We're suffering from success and our Discord was the first casualty. You know as well as I do that if you gather 250k people in one spot someone is going to sa

by natrik 6y ago

"We're suffering from success and our Discord was the first casualty. You know as well as I do that if you gather 250k people in one spot someone is going to say something that makes you look bad. That room was golden and the people that run it are awesome. We blocked all bad words with a bot, which should be enough, but apparently if someone can say a bad word with weird unicode icelandic characters and someone can screenshot it you don't get to hang out with your friends anymore. Discord did us dirty and I am not impressed with them destroying our community" Key point for me. Under the guise of 'hate speech' suppression is occurring. Of course every platform has the right to dictate users of their platform yada yada...

s5300 6y ago
Yeah this was a low blow from Discord I get they're probably scared as hell, but they don't even take care of the child porn or child grooming Discords. It's not even slightly paranoid to say that somebody gave financial incentive to make this happen, but for them to censor with absolute bullshit reasoning behind it... This is just not good.
- deleted 6y ago
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- riffraff 6y ago
  > I get they're probably scared as hell, I don't, what should they be scared of?
  - edoceo 6y ago
    Big money players. Some may even be holding Discord equity and could give them a headache
  - xkeysc0re 6y ago
    A media spotlight isn't helpful when they are considered (rightly or wrongly) to be responsible for a lot of people losing money
  - Rastonbury 6y ago
    It's been said that some Discord investors are also investors with Steve Cohen's Point72. The fund targeted by WSB, Melvin Capital, managed $1bn for Points72
    - Hnrobert42 6y ago
      This is a textbook example of a conspiracy theory.
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    Beyond them possibly being directly or indirectly involved on the (currently) losing end of GameStop stock, they may be worried about SEC paying attention to them. I personally think they're in the clear here, but maybe they aren't so sure.
- bambataa 6y ago
  Are you saying Discord openly permits groups that share child porn? Or discusss how to find it? I could understand the latter if the discord itself has nothing illegal but that’s still pretty shocking.
  - ericmay 6y ago
    I know for a fact that it happens. Certainly they would stop it if they knew about it, but they don’t police this stuff like you might think. They rely on their users to self-report for the most part. [1] “ On April 23, 2020 at 1:55 p.m., the Marysville Police received a tip that child pornography had been uploaded while using a discord online service.” There are groups like this all over the place. I know who this person is. “A discord online service” is Discord. Also kind of interesting in writing here you can see some local papers are just way out of touch with the tech community. [1] https://www.unioncountydailydigital.com/articles/child-pornography-arrest-made-wednesday-by-marysville-police/ https://www.unioncountydailydigital.com/articles/child-porno...
    - loa_in_ 6y ago
      There is probably no public service on the web that someone _hasn't_ tried to upload illegal content to.
    - bambataa 6y ago
      Don't services that accept large amounts of user-generated content scan for illegal stuff against a database of known material? I find it odd that Discord wouldn't do that.
kordlessagain 6y ago
> You know as well as I do that if you gather 250k people in one spot someone is going to say something that makes you look bad. The problem with this statement is the shifting use of "you". I might know that a mob acts like a mob, but I'm certainly not going to be surprised if "my" rights are affected if I'm part of the group from which the mob manifested. That doesn't mean the decision to alter my rights is directed at me, personally. Random speculation about why this was done or who did it, for what reasons, is also a type of mob thinking.
- kordlessagain 6y ago
  Evidently my comment is also a good mob detector!
glenvdb 6y ago
I think the long history of events like these, particularly the more recent publicised ones, are going to push lots of communities, and by extension the Internet, to decentralisation. That's good and bad because communities can't be shut down when they shouldn't, and can't be shut down when they should.
- betwixthewires 6y ago
  I think it's becoming obvious that not being able to shut down bad communities is the lesser evil.
  - WhompingWindows 6y ago
    That's a bold statement, you think it's so obvious? Do you think not being able to shut down child pornographic trading communities is a lesser evil than shutting down WSB discord?
    - patrickaljord 6y ago
      CP trading chat rooms should be shut down by arresting people creating and selling content in there, not by giving someone the right to shut down any chat room they want by the click of a button. Because if you can shut down CP trading chat rooms by the click of a button, we all know this button will be used mainly to target good causes as CP represents a tiny proportion of people or even criminal activities.
    - lenkite 6y ago
      This tired justification of "child pornography", "terrorism" and "hate speech" has been beat to death to ban just about everything these days. Why not ban cars ? After all both paedos and terrorists use them to carry out their evil, nefarious deeds. They both also use toothpaste. I think is perfectly fine being un-able to shutdown sites for "social justice". If it ever escalates to being a major criminal problem, a legal case can be filed and it can go through the courts before the ban-hammer falls.
gadders 6y ago
>> Of course every platform has the right to dictate users of their platform yada yada... People who claim that should logically be wanting Rosa Parks to have started her own bus company.
- prox 6y ago
  That’s a weird analogy that doesn’t make any sense. It’s actually quite offensive to compare the segregation of a whole people to what’s basically a sign on Discords door that said “We don’t allow this type of speech. We have bouncers here.” Also Rosa Parks wasn’t anonymous, and I assume many on WSB are. I wonder if they would act the same if they weren’t? Or in real life?
  - gadders 6y ago
    It was more a comment on the general "Oh, big tech banned you?" well just create your own payment network, dns service, cdn, hosting, etc etc. And to extend your analogy, it's like a whole nightclub being permanently closed because one of the 250,000 people in the club (admittedly a big club) said a bad word. It's just a new form of Tone Policing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing)
    - lotsofpulp 6y ago
      It’s like a nightclub being closed by the nightclub’s owner, which I think most would agree the nightclub’s owner has the right to do by virtue of being the owner. It’s not closed by police or any outside entity.
- roenxi 6y ago
  The buses were public and segregation was a law. Blacks made up 75% of the bus customers [0]. A competing, nonsegregated, service would have owned the market if it were possible. So it probably wasn't. The situation here is very different. There is no government monopoly favouring Reddit or Discord. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott

by natrik 6y ago

s5300 6y ago

Yeah this was a low blow from Discord I get they're probably scared as hell, but they don't even take care of the child porn or child grooming Discords. It's not even slightly paranoid to say that somebody gave financial incentive to make this happen, but for them to censor with absolute bullshit reasoning behind it... This is just not good.

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riffraff 6y ago
> I get they're probably scared as hell, I don't, what should they be scared of?
- edoceo 6y ago
  Big money players. Some may even be holding Discord equity and could give them a headache
- xkeysc0re 6y ago
  A media spotlight isn't helpful when they are considered (rightly or wrongly) to be responsible for a lot of people losing money
- Rastonbury 6y ago
  It's been said that some Discord investors are also investors with Steve Cohen's Point72. The fund targeted by WSB, Melvin Capital, managed $1bn for Points72
  - Hnrobert42 6y ago
    This is a textbook example of a conspiracy theory.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  Beyond them possibly being directly or indirectly involved on the (currently) losing end of GameStop stock, they may be worried about SEC paying attention to them. I personally think they're in the clear here, but maybe they aren't so sure.
bambataa 6y ago
Are you saying Discord openly permits groups that share child porn? Or discusss how to find it? I could understand the latter if the discord itself has nothing illegal but that’s still pretty shocking.
- ericmay 6y ago
  I know for a fact that it happens. Certainly they would stop it if they knew about it, but they don’t police this stuff like you might think. They rely on their users to self-report for the most part. [1] “ On April 23, 2020 at 1:55 p.m., the Marysville Police received a tip that child pornography had been uploaded while using a discord online service.” There are groups like this all over the place. I know who this person is. “A discord online service” is Discord. Also kind of interesting in writing here you can see some local papers are just way out of touch with the tech community. [1] https://www.unioncountydailydigital.com/articles/child-pornography-arrest-made-wednesday-by-marysville-police/ https://www.unioncountydailydigital.com/articles/child-porno...
  - loa_in_ 6y ago
    There is probably no public service on the web that someone _hasn't_ tried to upload illegal content to.
  - bambataa 6y ago
    Don't services that accept large amounts of user-generated content scan for illegal stuff against a database of known material? I find it odd that Discord wouldn't do that.

kordlessagain 6y ago

> You know as well as I do that if you gather 250k people in one spot someone is going to say something that makes you look bad. The problem with this statement is the shifting use of "you". I might know that a mob acts like a mob, but I'm certainly not going to be surprised if "my" rights are affected if I'm part of the group from which the mob manifested. That doesn't mean the decision to alter my rights is directed at me, personally. Random speculation about why this was done or who did it, for what reasons, is also a type of mob thinking.

kordlessagain 6y ago
Evidently my comment is also a good mob detector!

glenvdb 6y ago

I think the long history of events like these, particularly the more recent publicised ones, are going to push lots of communities, and by extension the Internet, to decentralisation. That's good and bad because communities can't be shut down when they shouldn't, and can't be shut down when they should.

betwixthewires 6y ago
I think it's becoming obvious that not being able to shut down bad communities is the lesser evil.
- WhompingWindows 6y ago
  That's a bold statement, you think it's so obvious? Do you think not being able to shut down child pornographic trading communities is a lesser evil than shutting down WSB discord?
  - patrickaljord 6y ago
    CP trading chat rooms should be shut down by arresting people creating and selling content in there, not by giving someone the right to shut down any chat room they want by the click of a button. Because if you can shut down CP trading chat rooms by the click of a button, we all know this button will be used mainly to target good causes as CP represents a tiny proportion of people or even criminal activities.
  - lenkite 6y ago
    This tired justification of "child pornography", "terrorism" and "hate speech" has been beat to death to ban just about everything these days. Why not ban cars ? After all both paedos and terrorists use them to carry out their evil, nefarious deeds. They both also use toothpaste. I think is perfectly fine being un-able to shutdown sites for "social justice". If it ever escalates to being a major criminal problem, a legal case can be filed and it can go through the courts before the ban-hammer falls.

gadders 6y ago

>> Of course every platform has the right to dictate users of their platform yada yada... People who claim that should logically be wanting Rosa Parks to have started her own bus company.

prox 6y ago
That’s a weird analogy that doesn’t make any sense. It’s actually quite offensive to compare the segregation of a whole people to what’s basically a sign on Discords door that said “We don’t allow this type of speech. We have bouncers here.” Also Rosa Parks wasn’t anonymous, and I assume many on WSB are. I wonder if they would act the same if they weren’t? Or in real life?
- gadders 6y ago
  It was more a comment on the general "Oh, big tech banned you?" well just create your own payment network, dns service, cdn, hosting, etc etc. And to extend your analogy, it's like a whole nightclub being permanently closed because one of the 250,000 people in the club (admittedly a big club) said a bad word. It's just a new form of Tone Policing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing)
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    It’s like a nightclub being closed by the nightclub’s owner, which I think most would agree the nightclub’s owner has the right to do by virtue of being the owner. It’s not closed by police or any outside entity.
roenxi 6y ago
The buses were public and segregation was a law. Blacks made up 75% of the bus customers [0]. A competing, nonsegregated, service would have owned the market if it were possible. So it probably wasn't. The situation here is very different. There is no government monopoly favouring Reddit or Discord. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_bus_boycott