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That little voice in your head begging for sugar? It's not in your head...

BLKNSLVR 6y ago
18 months off sugar and I still have to consciously view dessert items as akin to poison to quell the desire to eat all of them.
- msandford 6y ago
  My dad's dad had a sweet tooth, my dad has one, and I do too. About a month ago I resolved to eating at least 100g of protein per day (1.2g/kg) to see if that wouldn't help me with some recovery and healing. It was a real chore to eat that much. I would eat three eggs and black beans for breakfast to get ~30g, then shoot for 30-40g for lunch and another 30-40g for dinner. I was eating a lot of cottage cheese to make up the extra protein I wasn't getting. I was constantly so full I lost all desire for sweets. Not eating dessert is effortless, probably in part because I'm beyond satiated.
  - andai 6y ago
    I tried eating just steaks for a few days, and it absolutely blew my mind (1) how stable my energy was, how energetic I felt (2) how I wouldn't get hungry at all for 8-10 hours. Normally I start thinking about food an hour or two after eating!
    - pfundstein 6y ago
      The key to a good diet is balance. Too much red meat has equally severe health implications, leading to a higher risk for heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and premature death.[1][2] [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-beef-with-red-meat https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-bee... [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26780279/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26780279/
      - loceng 6y ago
        All of these types of studies are being debunked: it's not the red meat that's the problem - it's 1) the quality of meat you're eating, and more so 2) the other crap people are eating. The first Carnivore Conference happened last year, and the movement is growing. Edit to add: Look up Dr. Georgia Ede videos on YouTube for some of this debunking.
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        Mankind evolved to eat red meat. We developed fire for it. We invented spears and bow hunting for it. It's one of the healthiest foods you can consume, has been part of the human diet for over 2 million years... and besides the noted protein, it contains B12, Zinc, Selenium, Iron, Niacin, B6, Phosphorous and many other valuable nutrients. You can live exclusively off a diet of just red meat and live a long, healthy life. Many tribes do, including the Maasai in Kenya, the Sami in Finland, and the Inuit.
        pfundstein 6y ago
        Mankind rarely lived beyond 25 until very recently so the long-term effects of high red meat consumption have never been part of the evolutionary equation. There have been numerous long term studies that have found strong links between diseases, esp. heart disease, diabetes, cancer. These diseases take years to manifest normally thus wouldn't have existed then. Edit: s/didn't live/rarely lived/
        phonypc 6y ago
        Life expectancy being 25 doesn't mean nobody lives past 25. Estimates that low for early humans is skewed by huge infant mortality rates. IIRC living into the 40s or 50s was typical for an early human that survived to adulthood. 60s or 70s not uncommon.
        pfundstein 6y ago
        >IIRC living into the 40s or 50s was typical for an early human that survived to adulthood. >60s or 70s not uncommon. I would love to see the evidence you're referencing. > Life expectancy being 25 doesn't mean nobody lives past 25. You're absolutely right.
    - loceng 6y ago
      Being in a ketogenic state allows your body to have constant access to your fat reserves, so that's where you can get the constant, stable energy from - and any excess calories, say from meat or the other keto foods you're eating will of course store as fat for later use. There's an One Meal A Day (OMAD) movement that's starting, where people are doing intermittent fasting but instead of a 6:18 ratio - 6 hours where people eat, 18 hours not eating - they'll do a 1:23, where they eat all they need in an hour or so.
  - agumonkey 6y ago
    I don't eat proteins but I do fill my stomach with raw veggies. The desire for sweets is really boredom turned into nutrition. When you're full you barely want anything anymore. Also the less sweet (and processed food which are allegedly heavy on fat and various sugar) you start to feel subtle taste better. Carrots are sweet.. I feel like eating candy, but it's not strong. Even lettuce has some delicacy to it. There's an irony to our nutrition, we pay for industrial _ _ _ _ that is bad for us then pay for solutions. Just eat basic stuff and go do something fun.
- PragmaticPulp 6y ago
  Interesting. Every time I go low-carb, I loose my taste for sweets in about 3 weeks. Anything sugary starts to taste bad until I re-acclimate to it.
  - amelius 6y ago
    It's a pity there aren't many foods with a sugar level that tastes well to people who aren't acclimated to eating sugary things. The food industry has decided it's either no sugar or lots of sugar, so it seems.
    - wincy 6y ago
      Try Korean/Asian markets. I worked with a few Koreans and they thought treats sold in the USA were way too sweet. They had sweet bean curd things that tasted great when I was doing Keto and while it wouldn’t be good to eat every day they were a nice snack sometimes.
      - fiblye 6y ago
        It's surprising to look at the nutrition labels for anko/sweet red bean paste. It seems like it'd be a healthy alternative, but it's basically concentrated sugar cake. I live in Japan. I've eaten plenty of it. It's the health equivalent of cake frosting in Asia.
    - globular-toast 6y ago
      Make it yourself. Make all of your food yourself. My regular gym routine, which was part of my life for years until a few months ago when I was forced to stop, involved lifting heavy weights followed shortly afterwards by a bowl of porridge. It's a big bowl of porridge and I would put about 2 tsp of sugar in it to sweeten it. I considered this sweet because it was, in fact, the only sugar I was consuming. Now since lockdown I've had to stop my porridge because my muscle was becoming replaced with fat. I've had to lose weight to stay lean. But I've replaced that small amount of sugar I had regularly with other sweet things and noticed that I'm consuming far more sugar now. I've decided to stop completely now. If you consume ready-made things with sugar, it very quickly becomes an addiction.
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ugurnot 6y ago
I wouldn't get suprised if some other behavioral patterns can be explained by the gut-brain relation.

18 months off sugar and I still have to consciously view dessert items as akin to poison to quell the desire to eat all of them.

msandford 6y ago
My dad's dad had a sweet tooth, my dad has one, and I do too. About a month ago I resolved to eating at least 100g of protein per day (1.2g/kg) to see if that wouldn't help me with some recovery and healing. It was a real chore to eat that much. I would eat three eggs and black beans for breakfast to get ~30g, then shoot for 30-40g for lunch and another 30-40g for dinner. I was eating a lot of cottage cheese to make up the extra protein I wasn't getting. I was constantly so full I lost all desire for sweets. Not eating dessert is effortless, probably in part because I'm beyond satiated.
- andai 6y ago
  I tried eating just steaks for a few days, and it absolutely blew my mind (1) how stable my energy was, how energetic I felt (2) how I wouldn't get hungry at all for 8-10 hours. Normally I start thinking about food an hour or two after eating!
  - pfundstein 6y ago
    The key to a good diet is balance. Too much red meat has equally severe health implications, leading to a higher risk for heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and premature death.[1][2] [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-beef-with-red-meat https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-bee... [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26780279/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26780279/
    - loceng 6y ago
      All of these types of studies are being debunked: it's not the red meat that's the problem - it's 1) the quality of meat you're eating, and more so 2) the other crap people are eating. The first Carnivore Conference happened last year, and the movement is growing. Edit to add: Look up Dr. Georgia Ede videos on YouTube for some of this debunking.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      Mankind evolved to eat red meat. We developed fire for it. We invented spears and bow hunting for it. It's one of the healthiest foods you can consume, has been part of the human diet for over 2 million years... and besides the noted protein, it contains B12, Zinc, Selenium, Iron, Niacin, B6, Phosphorous and many other valuable nutrients. You can live exclusively off a diet of just red meat and live a long, healthy life. Many tribes do, including the Maasai in Kenya, the Sami in Finland, and the Inuit.
      - pfundstein 6y ago
        Mankind rarely lived beyond 25 until very recently so the long-term effects of high red meat consumption have never been part of the evolutionary equation. There have been numerous long term studies that have found strong links between diseases, esp. heart disease, diabetes, cancer. These diseases take years to manifest normally thus wouldn't have existed then. Edit: s/didn't live/rarely lived/
        phonypc 6y ago
        Life expectancy being 25 doesn't mean nobody lives past 25. Estimates that low for early humans is skewed by huge infant mortality rates. IIRC living into the 40s or 50s was typical for an early human that survived to adulthood. 60s or 70s not uncommon.
        pfundstein 6y ago
        >IIRC living into the 40s or 50s was typical for an early human that survived to adulthood. >60s or 70s not uncommon. I would love to see the evidence you're referencing. > Life expectancy being 25 doesn't mean nobody lives past 25. You're absolutely right.
  - loceng 6y ago
    Being in a ketogenic state allows your body to have constant access to your fat reserves, so that's where you can get the constant, stable energy from - and any excess calories, say from meat or the other keto foods you're eating will of course store as fat for later use. There's an One Meal A Day (OMAD) movement that's starting, where people are doing intermittent fasting but instead of a 6:18 ratio - 6 hours where people eat, 18 hours not eating - they'll do a 1:23, where they eat all they need in an hour or so.
- agumonkey 6y ago
  I don't eat proteins but I do fill my stomach with raw veggies. The desire for sweets is really boredom turned into nutrition. When you're full you barely want anything anymore. Also the less sweet (and processed food which are allegedly heavy on fat and various sugar) you start to feel subtle taste better. Carrots are sweet.. I feel like eating candy, but it's not strong. Even lettuce has some delicacy to it. There's an irony to our nutrition, we pay for industrial _ _ _ _ that is bad for us then pay for solutions. Just eat basic stuff and go do something fun.
PragmaticPulp 6y ago
Interesting. Every time I go low-carb, I loose my taste for sweets in about 3 weeks. Anything sugary starts to taste bad until I re-acclimate to it.
- amelius 6y ago
  It's a pity there aren't many foods with a sugar level that tastes well to people who aren't acclimated to eating sugary things. The food industry has decided it's either no sugar or lots of sugar, so it seems.
  - wincy 6y ago
    Try Korean/Asian markets. I worked with a few Koreans and they thought treats sold in the USA were way too sweet. They had sweet bean curd things that tasted great when I was doing Keto and while it wouldn’t be good to eat every day they were a nice snack sometimes.
    - fiblye 6y ago
      It's surprising to look at the nutrition labels for anko/sweet red bean paste. It seems like it'd be a healthy alternative, but it's basically concentrated sugar cake. I live in Japan. I've eaten plenty of it. It's the health equivalent of cake frosting in Asia.
  - globular-toast 6y ago
    Make it yourself. Make all of your food yourself. My regular gym routine, which was part of my life for years until a few months ago when I was forced to stop, involved lifting heavy weights followed shortly afterwards by a bowl of porridge. It's a big bowl of porridge and I would put about 2 tsp of sugar in it to sweeten it. I considered this sweet because it was, in fact, the only sugar I was consuming. Now since lockdown I've had to stop my porridge because my muscle was becoming replaced with fat. I've had to lose weight to stay lean. But I've replaced that small amount of sugar I had regularly with other sweet things and noticed that I'm consuming far more sugar now. I've decided to stop completely now. If you consume ready-made things with sugar, it very quickly becomes an addiction.
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ugurnot 6y ago

I wouldn't get suprised if some other behavioral patterns can be explained by the gut-brain relation.