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kgwxd 7y ago
Is it archive.org or the original site that went out of it's way to force "smooth scrolling" on me? Edit: original site is working now, it's them.
- Zelphyr 7y ago
  There should be a Developers Pledge: I, [state your name], hereby agree upon pain of death to never do things like force smooth scrolling, override scroll speed, implement a header that bounces based on scroll direction, etc...
  - Xelbair 7y ago
    >override scroll speed if anyone does that I'll find that person and kill them with dull spoon. There is nothing more infuriating than that little thing - why would even anyone do that? what's the use case? why waste dev time on that?
    - hirako2000 7y ago
      It's usually not dev, a product guy came up with a stupid idea with enough cash in hand, dev often oblige and for sure always find a way.
      - jjp 7y ago
        And the product guy did it because a sales team came in and said without load of color and animation then we won't be able to sell the product. And the sales guy did it because a prospect said we really like all the features and the price but your product doesn't have as much color and animation as Acme Inc's product. And the prospect did it because they actually prefer Acme Inc's product but they don't like Acme Inc's price so if they are going to have to go with the second choice product then let's get something done about the colors/animation before we close the sale. And then we have the product guy coming back and working out what is the least or least worst thing we can do to remove the sales resistance, close out the sale and have everybody paid.
        beaconstudios 7y ago
        what a rare treat on HN, some actual understanding of systemic causality rather than glib dismissals of the "obvious bad guy" in the scenario.
      - ryanlol 7y ago
        I doubt the product guys even know what smooth scrolling is.
    - bluGill 7y ago
      The first time it sounds interesting, and until you try it in the real world you don't know for sure if it is a good idea or not. (some things that seemed like bad ideas have turned out really good - though that is somewhat rare it happens enough that trying something once is excusable). Trying it a second time though is generally stupid (unless you can come up with a significant twist that changes whatever made it bad the first time)
    - sitkack 7y ago
      AirBnB does all of these things and breaks assets by caching corrupted downloads, as well as having gigantic, drive a fleet of rickshaws through a chasm of race conditions. I get ptsd from the anger management problems I’ll have in future when I think about using their software. Even now, I need to stop, it hurts. AirBnB web team, if you read this. Fire your boss, their boss and then remove the org from your resume as you do a year or two traveling the world. Hopefully booking rooms by walking up and saying, ‘this places looks nice, do you have a room available?’
  - pjc50 7y ago
    Also: never override the pinch-zoom. This should be an automatic accessibility failure unless your site actually is a full-screen zoomable map or similar.
  - eeZah7Ux 7y ago
    There should be a way to prevent it by default in browsers.
    - trickstra 7y ago
      Only if it's created in the standardized way that browsers can disable. But if they go out of their way to catch mouse events and move the body of the page certain amount of pixels back or other crazy measures like that, then there is nothing a browser can and will ever be able to do about it.
  - trickstra 7y ago
    ... never add falling snowflakes effect during Christmas.
- marcusjt 7y ago
  Smooth scrolling is a CSS3 feature implemented by (many but not all) modern browsers so you'll be seeing it around a lot - see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/scroll-behavior https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/scroll-beha... + https://drafts.csswg.org/cssom-view/#propdef-scroll-behavior https://drafts.csswg.org/cssom-view/#propdef-scroll-behavior
  - donatj 7y ago
    Dear god why?
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - coldpie 7y ago
      Better to put it as an "officially supported" standard, where it can be turned off by the user, rather than in some 500kB JS library.
  - narrowtux 7y ago
    This looks like it will only animate the scrolling when clicking on anchor links? Doesn't seem that bad to me.
  - cooljacob204 7y ago
    Mozilla link says > Note that any other scrolls, such as those performed by the user, are not affected by this property.

kgwxd 7y ago

Is it archive.org or the original site that went out of it's way to force "smooth scrolling" on me? Edit: original site is working now, it's them.

Zelphyr 7y ago
There should be a Developers Pledge: I, [state your name], hereby agree upon pain of death to never do things like force smooth scrolling, override scroll speed, implement a header that bounces based on scroll direction, etc...
- Xelbair 7y ago
  >override scroll speed if anyone does that I'll find that person and kill them with dull spoon. There is nothing more infuriating than that little thing - why would even anyone do that? what's the use case? why waste dev time on that?
  - hirako2000 7y ago
    It's usually not dev, a product guy came up with a stupid idea with enough cash in hand, dev often oblige and for sure always find a way.
    - jjp 7y ago
      And the product guy did it because a sales team came in and said without load of color and animation then we won't be able to sell the product. And the sales guy did it because a prospect said we really like all the features and the price but your product doesn't have as much color and animation as Acme Inc's product. And the prospect did it because they actually prefer Acme Inc's product but they don't like Acme Inc's price so if they are going to have to go with the second choice product then let's get something done about the colors/animation before we close the sale. And then we have the product guy coming back and working out what is the least or least worst thing we can do to remove the sales resistance, close out the sale and have everybody paid.
      - beaconstudios 7y ago
        what a rare treat on HN, some actual understanding of systemic causality rather than glib dismissals of the "obvious bad guy" in the scenario.
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      I doubt the product guys even know what smooth scrolling is.
  - bluGill 7y ago
    The first time it sounds interesting, and until you try it in the real world you don't know for sure if it is a good idea or not. (some things that seemed like bad ideas have turned out really good - though that is somewhat rare it happens enough that trying something once is excusable). Trying it a second time though is generally stupid (unless you can come up with a significant twist that changes whatever made it bad the first time)
  - sitkack 7y ago
    AirBnB does all of these things and breaks assets by caching corrupted downloads, as well as having gigantic, drive a fleet of rickshaws through a chasm of race conditions. I get ptsd from the anger management problems I’ll have in future when I think about using their software. Even now, I need to stop, it hurts. AirBnB web team, if you read this. Fire your boss, their boss and then remove the org from your resume as you do a year or two traveling the world. Hopefully booking rooms by walking up and saying, ‘this places looks nice, do you have a room available?’
- pjc50 7y ago
  Also: never override the pinch-zoom. This should be an automatic accessibility failure unless your site actually is a full-screen zoomable map or similar.
- eeZah7Ux 7y ago
  There should be a way to prevent it by default in browsers.
  - trickstra 7y ago
    Only if it's created in the standardized way that browsers can disable. But if they go out of their way to catch mouse events and move the body of the page certain amount of pixels back or other crazy measures like that, then there is nothing a browser can and will ever be able to do about it.
- trickstra 7y ago
  ... never add falling snowflakes effect during Christmas.
marcusjt 7y ago
Smooth scrolling is a CSS3 feature implemented by (many but not all) modern browsers so you'll be seeing it around a lot - see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/scroll-behavior https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/scroll-beha... + https://drafts.csswg.org/cssom-view/#propdef-scroll-behavior https://drafts.csswg.org/cssom-view/#propdef-scroll-behavior
- donatj 7y ago
  Dear god why?
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - coldpie 7y ago
    Better to put it as an "officially supported" standard, where it can be turned off by the user, rather than in some 500kB JS library.
- narrowtux 7y ago
  This looks like it will only animate the scrolling when clicking on anchor links? Doesn't seem that bad to me.
- cooljacob204 7y ago
  Mozilla link says > Note that any other scrolls, such as those performed by the user, are not affected by this property.