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Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown
- cmer 7y agoI've been using the 2S for a while and just bought the MX 3 because I needed an extra mouse. They managed to improve an already near-perfect mouse. I just love the 3. Probably not worth ditching your 2S for, but nonetheless, a superb upgrade. I always felt the thumb buttons were awkward on the 2S and that has been rectified. The magnetic wheel is also really nice to use.
- nwah1 7y agoYes, the thumb buttons seem much better. USB-C is an upgrade. Only thing that is missing is a wireless charging. Some competitors use Qi charging or a special mousepad, so there's never a need to plug it in. In 2010, Logitech released a solar-powered keyboard called the K750. Now that batteries and PV cells are improving, and low energy wireless technology is improving, I bet this would be less terrible. Also in 2010, RCA invented an "Airenergy" device that could harvest ambient wifi signals for use as a power source. I imagine some combination of the above technologies could eliminate cables from peripherals entirely.
- jandrese 7y agoThe power density on WiFi is minuscule. FCC Regulations mean you can transmit at a max of 300mW only, and the power you receive is affected by the Inverse Square Law on top of that, so total delivered power to your device is fractions of a mW unless your wireless router is right next to the router. Even then the entire process tends to be rather inefficient on top of that so the math probably doesn't work out. The Qi mousepad makes a lot more sense.
- jagger27 7y agoWell a mouse is likely next to a couple of client devices (phone, laptop, smart watch) that each have their own radio. Maybe it adds up?
- brokenmachine 7y agoIt doesn't. The transmit time is packet switched between devices.
- hinkley 7y ago> FCC Regulations mean you can transmit at a max of 300mW only Is that new? When I was originally playing with dd-wrt I was under the impression that 100 was the limit, discovered my AP was defaulting to something like 70mW, and would allow you to go higher.
- jandrese 7y agoYou might be right. My memory is from several years ago when I was working with some possibly dubious long range outdoor radios.
- hinkley 7y agoThe funny thing is that they don't seem to care about the directionality of the signal. You fire 120mW in a sphere and they have opinions. Narrow 100mW down to a (double) cone or a disc? No problemo. Makes no goddamned sense to me.
- stetrain 7y agoLogitech does have a wireless charging mousepad system but it's currently limited to their gaming series mice. https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mouse-pads/powerplay-wireless-charging.html https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mouse-pads/p...
- jakobegger 7y agoI've been waiting for Qi charging as well! I love my original MX Master, but it really annoys me when I have to deal with that charging cable. USB-C might be a marginal improvement, but I' love to be able to just put the mouse on my Qi pad when I leave the office...
- rhinoceraptor 7y agoOne thing you could do is buy a magnetic break-away USB cable like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Ant-i-Product-Compatible-Micro-USB/dp/B07GWLF4GR https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Ant-i-Product-Compatible-Micr... I have those on my wireless mice/keyboards, and game controllers.
- hinkley 7y agoGenerator in the mouse wheel and under the left click button.
- arvinsim 7y agoWhere I from, the Master 3 is twice the price of the Master 2S. Would you say that it is worth it to still buy the 2S?
- cmer 7y agoIf money is an issue, I'd definitely get the 2S over the 3.
- Aaron_Putnam 7y agoThe problem I have with the 2S is that the button clicks are really noisy - I had to swap out to another mouse in my office, since the noise was just too great.
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- fuckyah 7y agoAs owner of the 2s, its a pitty how bad the product is acutally made. The software is so poor, there's been a bug for years, which leads to the mouse forgetting its programmed buttons when connected via bluetooth.
- deanclatworthy 7y agoFor those interested, Logitech recently resurrected [1] their most famous mouse. The MX518. At least I was able to now buy it from retailers in Europe :) I love it. Could never get used to the more bulk Logitech mice such as the one in OP. [1] https://www.techpowerup.com/review/logitech-g-mx518/ https://www.techpowerup.com/review/logitech-g-mx518/
- fivesixzero 7y agoI still have a pair of G5 mice that I use at home and work. It’s good to see Logitech bringing back that design! Other than the MX Master 2S I carry around for mobile use, I’ve never had a mouse fit my grubby paws do perfectly. Other than a cable replacement and a switch cleaning, both of those original G5’s are still perfectly operational after over a decade of regular use.
- MattRix 7y agoWorth noting that even though the Logitech G502 looks very gamer-y, when you actually hold it, it feels like a G502/MX518.
- chupasaurus 7y agoQuite similar, but not exactly the same. The reissue of MX518 has a noticeable difference, too (using one right now, had 10 years of fun with the original one).
- willmacdonald 7y agoThe new mx518 is not as good as the old one. It required some software that did not work properly on macs.
- deanclatworthy 7y agoMine's running perfectly on MBP15 2019 model, with no extra software.
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- Navarr 7y agoI hope they bring some of the newer improvements and more of the MX Master features to the MX Vertical. I've found that I really appreciate the different ergonomics of a vertical mouse, but I do miss my side wheel and unlocking scroll
- sigzero 7y agoI really love the MX vertical mouse. The scroll wheel is the only current bummer for me as well.
- Unklejoe 7y agoLook at that beautiful replaceable battery :)
- wlesieutre 7y agoMy Logitech G700s has a AA NiMH battery in an easily replaceable door, no need to open the mouse. The battery still charges over USB if you have the mouse wired, and switches to wireless when that's unplugged. I like it a lot, if you run the battery down you can just pop a new one in and put the dead one in the charger. But I assume the one they're using here gives them higher capacity, so it's a trade-off.
- TheGuyWhoCodes 7y agoI don't think it's just the capacity but the power efficiency. G700s has a really low run time, something like a week per charge as a heavy user. The MX 2S can go about 2 months between chargers and the 3 should have an even better run time.
- wlesieutre 7y agoHasn't been an issue for me, the cord lives on my desk and I just plug it overnight every couple of days. If I forget, grab a charged AA and swap it out.
- kraftman 7y agoThey're both excellent mice, I really wish they would combine the best features of both: - battery life of the mx master - scrollwheel of the mx master - multi device of the mx master - bluetooth of the mx master - gesture button of the mx master - extra buttons of the g700 - data-over-usb of the g700 - AA battery support of g700 - on-device memory of g700
- tesseract 7y agoI switched from a G700s to an Elecom XGM20DL due to the G700s's poor battery life and terrible software (the Logitech gaming mouse drivers, at least on Mac OS, are dramatically worse than the mainstream mouse drivers). Unfortunately the build quality is pretty average, not as nice as the G700s was and nowhere near the MX Master series. It also doesn't have a built-in battery charger. I never liked the thumb button layout on the MX Master 1 and 2, but on the 3 it looks a lot better, so I might give one a try even though it doesn't have the index finger page up/down buttons.
- ses1984 7y agoI want unlock able scroll on the mx ergo.
- LeSaucy 7y agoAlso worthy to note that Logitech has decent macOS support.
- ebg13 7y agoEhhhh........ It _works_, but the overwhelming consensus is that their software is a confusing-to-navigate buggy mess that has to stay running all the time, uses excessive CPU[0], and freaks out from time to time. [0] - On a 15 inch 2017 MacBook Pro, "Logi Options Daemon" sits at 0.3% CPU when the mouse is still and 4% (!!!) while the mouse is moving
- digb 7y agoThe MX Master 2 or whatever has been absolute trash for me on my work mac. There's the standard issue with macs and third party mice where the "inertia" or whatever of the mouse feels off, but more than that there has to be some sort of interference because the thing just floats and jitters constantly. Completely unusable, I gave it away to one of our finance guys.
- tryptophan 7y agoDownside of such complicated mice with fancy circuit boards is that you can have issues like my s2 had, where the thumb button got stuck. This somehow caused a software lock, rendering the rest of the mouse unoperational; a nice 90$ paperweight. I don't mistreat my electronics either, it was not dropped or anything like that. This sort of stuff should not happen on such an expensive mouse. Coincidentally it happened 2 months after the warranty expired.
- dimfeld 7y agoI had the same thing happen recently, and came across this Youtube video detailing a fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFaLyoSQQo0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFaLyoSQQo0. Essentially, you open up the mouse and loosen the internal screws on the thumb button a little bit, which moves the board away from the rubber over the button and relieves whatever pressure is keeping it pressed. You need a screwdriver with a T5 Torx bit to open up some of the screws, but overall the procedure is pretty easy and my mouse has been working great ever since.
- scrollaway 7y agoI read the parent's comment, messed with the thumb button, and had the exact same thing happen. Now I read your comment, slid a screwdriver under the thumb rubber (didn't bother opening the mouse) and that unfucked it. Man…
- post_break 7y agoI have an MX master and now own two triathlons. I love them because one AA battery lasts months, it's bluetooth or can use the receiver which the mouse can store inside of it, and it supports three devices. All for $25. I pair it to my iPad and use it or at work for 8 hours straight. Definitely check it out since it's basically a baby MX master without the thumb scroll.
- css 7y agoDoes the 3rd version fix the polling issues these mice have over Bluetooth? Using the receiver works fine, but over Bluetooth it feels very laggy and jerky to use. They don't offer a USB-C receiver yet. Here is what it looks like to draw a circle using each protocol: https://imgur.com/a/RP2oLcn https://imgur.com/a/RP2oLcn
- jakobegger 7y agoAre you using any USB 3 devices? I had really bad problems with wireless mice and keyboards after I had gotten an USB 3 hub from Anker... Apparently USB 3 devices are prone to interfere with wireless devices in the 2.4GHz band
- beanaroo 7y agoWhich operating system are you using? There was a regression in the Linux kernel regarding polling rate negotiation that was fixed not too long ago https://i.imgur.com/q7NSMfR.png https://i.imgur.com/q7NSMfR.png
- bboygravity 7y agoDoes anybody know of any MX Master 3 modding forums or other resources? The firmware and electronics in these things are fine, but these mice are one size fits none. In my case: way too small. I probably need one that's 2 times the size + preferably vertical. I was thinking of doing a mod where I convert an MX Master 3 to a much larger MX vertical type thing. Shouldn't be too hard, but if I can think of this someone probably already did it. Right?
- ghostbrainalpha 7y agoSearch for modding here. There is a lot of really interesting stuff. https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/
- optimiz3 7y agoHope they bring the new tech over to the G502 (basically a wired version of the Performance MX suitable for work and gaming).
- pitaj 7y agoAs someone who uses both, G502 has a very different form factor and feel in the hand.
- emsy 7y agoRegarding Logitech Mice, I have the Anywhere MX and the Anywhere MX 2S here. I rarely used the old AMX but still, I got a defective left button switch after about 5 years in which I used it probably less than 500 hours total. Changing the switch is needlessly cumbersome, you have to remove rubber pads and battery stickers (which can't really be removed without destroying them). But the AMX feels solid and the on/off switch also functions as a protector for the laser. You can also store the USB receiver between the batteries. The AMX 2S is an absolute downgrade: Much cheaper build quality, no more protection for the laser, no user removable battery. The old AMX came with a leather pouch for transportation, the AMX 2S doesn't. On top of that, the Bluetooth connection of the AMX 2S is terrible. I have frequent minute long disconnects from my MBP at 20cm distance. Sometimes it won't connect at all. And the battery doesn't last as long as the rechargeable batteries I put in my AMX 1.
- gambiting 7y agoI'm on my 9th MX Anywhere(currently on the 2S). They all develop a defective mouse button eventually(it either doesn't click or clicks twice). It's incredible to me that we're now on who knows which iteration of the MX Anywhere and Logitech still uses a crappy 3 cent switch that breaks after 12-18 months. At least their support is somewhat decent and they keep replacing those mice without question every time.
- zymhan 7y agoThe MX anywhere is not meant to compete with the MX/MX2S/MX3. The "Anywhere" is a portable mouse, hence the laser cover. The MX 2S and 3 are meant to be left on a desk.
- open-paren 7y agoI'm glad they changed the scroll wheel–it was arguably the worst part of the first one. I have had one for a few years, and the mechanical part that determines whether the wheel is free spinning or ratcheting has a tendency to slip over time, making the ratchet less effective until it is all gone. The mouse needs to be opened up every few months to poke the part back down. This is not an uncommon problem and I'm glad the mechanism has been changed.
- stuart78 7y agoI use the Anywhere MX 2, which is quite good, and would love to try the Master 3, but I mouse left-handed. Would love to see more support from Logitech for this mode, even if it came at a premium.
- FranOntanaya 7y agoI wish the rubber grips didn't fail so easily on them, they are the first thing to fall apart for me.
- spectramax 7y agoLogitech has top quality hardware, but their software is degrading rapidly. Why does Logitech need to update the mouse software every so often? Installing fresh Windows 10 on a new computer, a popup automatically appears on the bottom-right to download and install Logitech software - without installing anything. This is built-in ads for Windows essentially. Also, Logitech wants us to connect to the internet to create a profile. It nags you constantly. We need software engineers to push back on these things that are pushed on to them by marketing execs.
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- bloopernova 7y agoI just wish that MX Master 3 had a couple of extra buttons by the thumb. My 3 thumb buttons on my Logitech G500 are mapped to: Page Up, Page Down, and Back. Clicking and holding the Page Up button can rapidly take me back to the top of a page without moving my right hand to hit the home key on my keyboard. It's pretty useful, in my opinion, to be able to roughly and quickly scroll with Page Up/Down, then fine tune with the scroll wheel. Looks like with the MX 3, I'd lose the back button though, because I really don't like the "gesture button" they've added. Is the thumb-wheel on the MX 3 "clickable"?
- Nowyouknow 7y ago> Is the thumb-wheel on the MX 3 "clickable"? It is not, unfortunately.
- pitaj 7y agoThat is unfortunate. Huge turn-off.
- jiofih 7y agoIf the wheel is 90% faster it seems like you don’t need page up/down shortcuts.
- TheSoftwareGuy 7y agoThumb buttons are hugely under-rated in my opinion. Its the sole reason I bought my G600.
- hinkley 7y agoI used to play a melee character in a game, and I had the buttons mapped to autorun, stop autorun, and back up. I never had to move my hands to follow a target, which greatly improved my uptime. I think on the later mouse, with only two buttons, I retrained myself to use 'back up' to stop autorun, but it was important to me that I could mash the first button to start running and not have to worry about how many times I hit it. Like OP said, for other apps I had it mapped to page-up/-down and back button and it made it a lot easier to focus on the code or documentation I was reading, instead of on navigating.
- brailsafe 7y agoReally wish the MX master 3 had a USB-C receiver. Bluetooth just doesn't cut it sometimes
- hughes 7y agoWhat BT issues have you had?
- LeoNatan25 7y agoIt’s slower, much more prone to noise, a lot of disconnects, etc. the dongle just works. There are other software bugs on macOS, such as smooth scrolling and inverted scroll not working sometimes on Bluetooth.
- robotmay 7y agoInterestingly the Logitech WiFi receiver for these mice can cause audio issues on some wireless headphones. I briefly had a pair of Sennheisser headphones and it picked up an interesting tick every few seconds. Though, to be honest, I think that's more likely poor design from headphone makers.
- brailsafe 7y agoSame as others. Usually fine now but vunerable to noise and so on. Interference can cause spaghetti mouse.
- ReptileMan 7y agoCongratulations guys... 10 years later you rediscovered mx revolution - probably your best mice ever.
- uwuhn 7y agoMy mouse progression since 2005 has been MX518 - G400S - G903. I used the G502 for a few days when it first came out, and couldn't stand it because it just felt...weird with my grip. It also made my hand hurt. I'm completely locked into Logitech since I just can't function without a free-scrolling scroll wheel, and they apparently have it patented. I tried some of their other newer mice without free-scrolling, and not having it is just a complete dealbreaker. I'm very happy with the G903 so far. The worst part was definitely the price. I'm tempted to get the new MX518, but I feel like the G903 is strictly better for my usage right now.
- huangc10 7y agoI 100% agree with you. Since using the MX Revolution in the late 2000s, I couldn't go back to anything. For me, MX Revolution - G500 - G500 (literally 2 for almost 8 years) - and just this year, the MX Master 2S. Long live the free scroll.
- friendlybus 7y agoI love the MX Master 2S except for the input lag. I don't know why there is no way to disable that.
- psychometry 7y agoI gave up on mice after a few years with Logitech ones, and went 100% trackpad. Their scroll wheel is always too far from where your finger ends, making you curl your middle finger back in order to use it.
- Freaken 7y agoI still use 3 MX518s. One in my backpack, one at home and one at work. They’ve been used and abused for the past ~ 13 years and although they‘ve got some visible wear, they work as well as the day I bought them.
- Const-me 7y agoI had MX500, G5, now using G700s. Also locked into Logitech, but for weirder reason. When I’m using other mice for prolonged time (couple weeks), I start feeling pain in the MCP joint of the index finger (the left clicking one). Logitech mice don’t cause any issues.
- gfiorav 7y agoI've mostly transitioned out of using mice. I guess I'm lucky my workflow allows for that
- euph0ria 7y agoIs there any equivalent high quality preferred-choice-by-many keyboard?
- kcolford 7y agoDas Keyboard is the way to go my friend. They're absolutely lovely to type on. Although any other mechanical keyboard is probably acceptable...
- pathartl 7y agoYeah I love the latest Das Model S Ultimate. The aluminum plate and the keycaps feel very premium. The newer one's at work and I have an older gen at home and I much prefer the newer.
- kmlx 7y agoi think filco is the gold standard in mechanical keyboards: https://www.diatec.co.jp/en/ https://www.diatec.co.jp/en/ they're built like a tank.
- robotmay 7y agoI own two Filco boards and they are extremely solid. Also easy to get an aftermarket controller board (and easy to fit) if you want to make it programmable.
- m463 7y agoI really like my topre realforce rgb. Most solid keyboard I've ever owned. I added the optional cushions at the bottom of the stroke.
- robotmay 7y agoI use a Topre R2 that I imported from Japan, and I love it. The feel of typing on it is quite unique, and has replaced all my other boards.
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- lilyball 7y agoI love the Logitech hardware quality but I really wish they'd work on their software quality. I'm using a G502 at work right now with Logitech Gaming Software and the two completely baffling decisions they made with that software on macOS: 1. It has to be running. If I launch it for configuration and hit ⌘Q it stops working and my mouse reverts to the default. I have to remember to close the window instead, which leaves it in the menubar. 2. I can't unmap buttons and have them act as generic HID mouse buttons. I can map buttons to mouse 1, 2, and 3, but I can't go past that. I can map buttons to various special functions, but it would be a hell of a lot more flexible if I could just have mouse 4 and mouse 5 mapped. For example, I can map the "sniper" button to Mission Control, but I can't change its behavior with keyboard modifiers, whereas if it was just Mouse 5 I could use the system configuration to map that to Mission Control and then use keyboard modifiers to change its behavior.
- whalesalad 7y agoLogitech software is a dumpster fire. For a while there it would start and go to 170-190% CPU and just burn until it was killed. I share your experience and frustration.
- ebg13 7y agoLogi Options Daemon uses 4% CPU on a 2017 15" MacBook Pro while my MX Master 2S is moving. I wonder wtf it's doing the whole time.
- whalesalad 7y agoSending your cursor position to DynamoDB
- Razengan 7y agoCompanion software for hardware accessories has historically been terrible. I can't recall an instance where I wanted to keep companion apps besides drivers running in the background. Whenever possible I would only open them for as long as I needed to configure something, then killed the process if it wasn't necessary. Thankfully on the Mac I haven't encountered a need for those yet.
- 2bitencryption 7y agoDo they make high-quality mice like these for left-handed people? I'm always jealous by this type of mouse, while I'm stuck using my cheap sad ambidextrous Microsoft mouse.
- Zenst 7y agoGood point, for some it is like being forced to buy a two right shoes to fit upon your feet. Let alone the aspect of mouse size and the analogy gets down to shoes only available for right feet and then sizes 6 and 11 only. With that in mind - how hard would it be to make a mouse which had a gel top that would mould to your hand. Could have a gel that is perhaps viscus when an electric current passed thru it and solid when not - allowing you to setup the mouse to fit your hand. As for buttons, well, that has been one of the easier ones to fix and about the only area you can customise a mouse (switch left and right mouse buttons) which is your standard OS configurable. Though I'm not aware of any material that is viscous when a current is applied and solid when not - the other way around you have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorheological_fluid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorheological_fluid
- Rebelgecko 7y agoTheir ambi mice are decent. I use a G300S at work, and I think they have some fancier mice that are also ambi while having features like wireless charging and the toggle for smooth/ratcheted scrolling. The only company I know of that makes an actually left handed mouse is Razer. Decent hardware, but if you're on a Mac their drivers are even worse than Logitech's. There's nothing worse than having your mouse stop working because the internet is down.
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- jmiserez 7y agoEvoluent sells a left-handed variant of their popular vertical mouse. Doesn't have smooth scrolling though.
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- jesusthatsgreat 7y agoI have an M510 and I love it but it needs to be taken apart and cleaned every year or so. It accumulates an insane amount of crap inside it which if left unchecked will eventually lead you to think there's a software issue or wireless interference as your pages scroll up and down randomly by themselves. Most people probably just replace mice once they start acting up because they either don't want to bother cleaning it or else don't realise it can be taken apart and cleaned easily which fixes 99% of mice issues.
- eecc 7y agoGreat rats, but my tendons could enjoy them more if the device was larger. I don’t get why, once in the 100€ range, there’s no SMLXL bucketing
- lmilcin 7y agoI no longer care about Logitech mouses after I had THREE premium mouses, in succession, to die to the same problem for me personally and additionally one mouse for a person that I recommended it to. All had exactly the same problem -- double clicks registered when clicking left mouse button. For a premium brand I find it completely unacceptable. Even though it is possible to fix the problem (https://www.instructables.com/id/Repair-mouse-with-double-click-problem/ https://www.instructables.com/id/Repair-mouse-with-double-cl...), I gave up on Logitech mouses completely.
- bentcorner 7y agoIMO it's an inevitable result of using mechanical switches. I love Logitech mice but I'll usually get n-1 versions that go for cheaper, so replacing every 1-2 years doesn't sting as much. FWIW Razer has a new mouse that uses optical switches (Razer Viper). It'll be interesting to see if how their switches hold up a year or two from now. I've heard similar complaints about mouse switch failures with Razer mice as well, so it's great to see them attempt to address the problem.
- mng2 7y agoI had to replace the switches in my G100s after a few years, first the scroll wheel button and then the left click. Definitely an unacceptable level of longevity.
- rkagerer 7y agoI'm really curious about the silkscreened ruler. Can anyone solve the mystery? https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02786-1024x683.jpg https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02786-102... https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02791.jpg https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02791.jpg
- fmj 7y agoIt's placed over the antenna for the Bluetooth LE chip. I'm assuming it's related to antenna tuning/calibration.
- GuB-42 7y agoThat the ruler is related to the antenna tuning is the initial guess of the author too, but he is unsure. But come to think of it, why is the PCB silk-screened in the first place? I don't think such a cheap board will ever get serviced by the manufacturer, and slikscreening is cheap but not free. My guess is that it is "just in case". If something goes wrong, the silkscreen is there so that things can be fixed by an assembly line worker. And they identified incorrect antenna dimensions as a potential problem and left a ruler there. Turned out everything worked fine and the ruler wasn't necessary.
- VectorLock 7y agoVirtually every board is going to need some kind of marking, so if you're doing a silk screen anyways it almost free to add more stuff to that silk screen.
- passive 7y agoI do software quality assurance, and it wouldn't surprise me if this was put in by request of their QA department. I don't know if a human looks at every PCB, but however many they sample to QA, this would be a quick way to check an important feature of the hardware.
- irjustin 7y agoI'll go with occam's razor and say it was simply not removed from the development board to the full production board. It's probably related to tuning but on a production board? Normally if you need it as part of your production process it would just be part of the tuning tool itself. But honestly I cannot see how it would be used in production since the antenna length is determined by that point.
- wolfgke 7y agoDoes Logitech meanwhile again excellent cables mice? I would love to get one of these superb Logitech mice in a cabled version.
- baroffoos 7y agoTheir gaming mice have cabled versions which are really nice.
- saltcod 7y agoGreat mice but I’m surprised no one has mentioned weight. The master 3 is 141g! That’s a brick! I’ve been hunting for a mouse with this kind of scroll wheel that was less than 90g or so forever. 141g would kill my arm in a few hours.
- verinus 7y agoMe too. I sold my MX Master as I felt it much too heavy to use...
- clutch89 7y agoThe scroll wheel in the Master 3 is totally broken. It doesn’t register scrolls properly. Within 10 seconds I noticed the issue. Same issue across multiple devices and OS’s too. Others have noticed too, like here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/d6yo5j/anyone_else_having_mx_master_3_scroll_issues/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/d6yo5j/anyone_... I returned mine and got a G604, which is a work of art, and you can load settings into on-board memory so you can delete the Logitech software after doing that.
- 9935c101ab17a66 7y agoWow the G604 is a really good looking mouse as far as PC mice go.
- TheSpiceIsLife 7y agoI can't get excited about regular mice any more. I bought a Razer Naga and mapped some buttons to [enter] and [backspace], plus others. Having a few keyboard keys on the mouse blows everything else mouse-like out of the water, in my opinion.
- firemelt 7y agoI hate it lacks the side scroll and they move it to thumb side scroll
- dlevine 7y agoI use an MX Anywhere 2 at work and an MX Anywhere at home. I love both of them (so much that I soldered in new microswitches when the original buttons on the MX Anywhere wore out). I have never tried an MX Master. I have been curious, but I don't need the second scroll wheel. I think the software is somewhat convoluted. My actual preference is that Mac OS would support all of the functionality natively. I think it's stupid that we need to use extra programs to get the keyboard/mouse to do what we want.
- solnyshok 7y agoI have had one defective switch on AMX. But nothing like that on 2 AMX 2S that I bought more than a year ago (one for office, one for home). I think they improved something with AMX S2 switches.
- sudhirkhanger 7y agoAs a coder while coding, how much mouse do you guys use? I try to minimize it as much as possible. And it seems like it is easier to hit touchpad than to grab an external mouse which is places 6-12 in away from center of the keyboard.
- evan_ 7y agoI’ve used the apple magic trackpads since they came out. As you say, it’s so much faster to just reach up and engage the touchpad surface, rather than to locate, grasp, and move a mouse. Third party software (BetterTouchTool) opens up virtually unlimited gestures. I’m never going back.
- bonestamp2 7y agoI love this article and while reading it I realized that I wish I could scroll down exactly one "page" with my mouse so I mapped the MX Master side back/forward buttons to space/shift+space so now it's really nice to read long articles like this using the button to scroll down one page instead of the mousewheel. Also nice for HN comment threads. :)
- krtkush 7y agoI have been using the original MX Master for about 4 years now and the mouse has been a dream. Absolutely great build quality and perfect ergonomics (for a right handed person).
- utopcell 7y agoI am a long-time user of the MX series, having used the master 1 and 2 and multiple anywheres 1 and 2 for years, mainly for their free-scrolling wheels. I was surprised when Microsoft upstaged them with their precision mouse line, which has a "patented magnetic scrolling". It seems to me that Logitech is just playing catch-up with the "MagSpeed" wheels on the master 3.
- mclightning 7y agoI see that Logitech ramped up their advertising investment again. I looked up the mouse and it shows up on all popular youtube channels with crazy titles. I remember same thing from the original Performance MX. Everybody said it was a great mouse. I got it, it was terrible. It didn't work on most surfaces. It didn't hold battery long. Long story short, I will hold off until it stands the test of time for a bit.
- yCloser 7y agohave the mx3, so far all good. but. I use linux... yes it works as a standard 5 mouse buttons, but there is no software for gestures or thumb scroll. Windows has those. Linux will probably never have anything like that (thumb gesture-button seems to trigger KeyPress Meta+TAB, binding it seems not-so-easy)
- polyterative 7y agoI liked the 2s engineering and design but it's excessive weight and embarrassingly low pooling rate made me return it. Picked up a 502SE which is perfectly addressing these issues with better button feel and tracking. No wireless tho, and the wheel kinda sucks
- zmix 7y agoCould anyone, with industry ties, forward these threads, in which people are fed up with the vendor supplied support software / drivers, each time they come up (and the do come up), to the appropriate decision makers? Thank you!
- akvadrako 7y agoI couldn't stand the 2S because the clicks were so loud. Can anyone comment on if this has been fixed with the 3?