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- kordlessagain 7y agoVia https://dandelion.eu/semantic-text/entity-extraction-demo/ https://dandelion.eu/semantic-text/entity-extraction-demo/ run on dearstackexchange.com: Stack Exchange Abstract: Stack Exchange is a network of question-and-answer websites on topics in varied fields, each site covering a specific topic, where questions, answers, and users are subject to a reputation award process. The sites are modeled after Stack Overflow, a Q&A site for computer programming questions that was the original site in this network. The reputation system allows the sites to be self-moderating. As of April 2017, the three most popular sites in the network are: Stack Overflow, Super User and Ask Ubuntu. User contributions are licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 ... Spot:Stack Exchange network Accuracy: Categories:Computing websites, Internet properties established in 2008, Software developer communities, Companies based in New York City, Stack Exchange network... Types:Website, Work Policy TOP ENTITY Communication Spamming Lawsuit Twitter Due process Human rights Judgement Code of conduct Goal Human Touch (Bruce Springsteen song) News media Extremism Prejudice Search report Family Suffering TOP ENTITY Social exclusion Mass media Stack Overflow Social network TOP ENTITY Trust (emotion) Activism Social group Good Times Value (ethics) Theory Sympathy Accountability Autonomy Understanding Emotion Action (philosophy) Feedback TOP ENTITY Word Social relation
- OedipusRex 7y agoSee https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21175225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21175225
- King-Aaron 7y agoI remember when Stack Exchange was about fixing broken code.
- ronnier 7y agoPolitics have crept into every aspect of life unfortunately.
- wyclif 7y agoStill quite difficult for normies to get to the 15 reputation threshold on SO in order to begin using the site effectively. There are problems here that run a lot deeper than political correctness, though I don't want to minimize how cancerous that has been.
- SnarkAsh 7y ago"normies"?
- ilvez 7y agoI think wyclif means casual users, who want to participate in SE community by answering questions.
- wyclif 7y agoYes, that's exactly what I meant. Ordinary techies and devs who come for answers and aren't invested in the culture and politics of SE because they may not know much about it.
- ddebernardy 7y agohttps://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#Normie https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#Normie
- 0x262d 7y agowell, everything is political for most people who aren't fortunate enough to be born as the default universally accepted type of person, with enough money to not worry too much about that either. most of the conflict here comes from dealing with people who can't accept that everything is politicized and their actions matter along a political dimension whether they care or not.
- Espressosaurus 7y agoPolitics is part of every human endeavor: between kids on the playground, in the workplace, at the level of local, regional, national, and international governments and businesses. Politics and the negotiation of status and access between various in and out groups is a fundamental part of being human.
- shp0ngle 7y agoStack Exchange started a lot of other sites on the side. Some of them are about religions, and that brings on politics. Since religion and politics are intertwined. https://christianity.stackexchange.com https://christianity.stackexchange.com https://islam.stackexchange.com https://islam.stackexchange.com https://judaism.stackexchange.com https://judaism.stackexchange.com https://buddhism.stackexchange.com https://buddhism.stackexchange.com https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com https://hinduism.stackexchange.com https://hinduism.stackexchange.com
- jmkni 7y agoDon't forget Politics StackExchange! - https://politics.stackexchange.com/ https://politics.stackexchange.com/
- xibalba 7y agoI suspect that the average user of SE will not care one bit about this whole drama. I do find it frustrating, puzzling, and sad how SE appears to have treated Monica Cellio. She provides an excellent summary (from her perspective) here: https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2064709.html https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2064709.html
- zaroth 7y agoAt least there is this bit at the very bottom; > Breaking news, October 6 21:00 UTC: the CTO stepped in, accepted responsibility, apologized to the community, and promised to contact me directly to apologize and discuss next steps. Finally! I look forward to that contact.
- frittig 7y agoone thing that I love about SE is that everyone is very professional. almost all answers are either sourced or can easily be seen to be correct. what I am worried is that if a lot of the normal mods quit and our replaced with new mods, who may be more political, SE will turn into Reddit where leftist politics prevail in all of the major subreddits and most responses to factual questions consist of options or unsourced "facts". if that ever becomes the case then I will be sad. although, when seeing how the admins of Reddit act, I'm guessing that acting like they do is good for business.
- shagie 7y agoGive https://dev.to/stackoverflow/what-a-very-bad-day-at-work-taught-me-about-building-stack-overflow-s-community-4gmm/comments https://dev.to/stackoverflow/what-a-very-bad-day-at-work-tau... a read - the comment to which Sara replied and the response given. The reddit future is a very real possibility.
- jxramos 7y agoWhat's the "reddit future" a reference to?
- fenwick67 7y agoI would love a nice couple paragraphs that said "here's what happened", otherwise taking any side in this is just taking shots in the dark, I'm basically reading "certain events happened with a certain individual and that's not okay"
- ukie 7y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21173643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21173643
- decebalus1 7y ago+1 I feel I should care about this but I don't believe it's worth investing the time to go through walls of text of 'he said' 'she said' biased explanations. I'm probably better off..
- anon12345690 7y agohow ironic lol, if you only knew that "he said" and "she said" is the whole problem because apparently you cant use pronouns anymore
- koheripbal 7y ago...it's also somehow offensive to either avoid using pronouns as well as inquiring about them. The only solution is apparently magic.
- anon12345690 7y agonah the real solution is for 99.99% of society to ignore all the fake outrage about pronouns and get back to their lives
- mthoms 7y agoCan you do us all a favour? Please stop incorrectly stating that the problem is with pronouns in general. It's been pointed out many, many times. The point of contention here deals with one person intentionally refusing to use the pronoun someone else has requested when addressing them. Notice the emphasis on the words "intentional" and "them". (To be clear, this comment in no way meant to justify S.O.'s horrendous handling of the situation)
- oefrha 7y ago> We are disappointed with the lack of responsiveness to community concerns. On Meta Stack Exchange, bug reports, feature and support requests go unacknowledged, sometimes for months or years, and some excellent posts never receive a staff response. Meanwhile, there have been cases when staff have responded to complaints on Twitter almost immediately, taking action without due process and without consulting with the impacted sites. It’s sad that more and more companies ignore normal support channels (a very well established and proven one in SE’s case) and only answer to Twitter shaming. For one thing, it’s very unfair to those of us who don’t (otherwise) use Twitter — I have to keep an account just for tech support, and even then I highly doubt my requests are valued as much as ones from accounts with 10k or more followers.
- Causality1 7y agoIt's terribly sad that StackExchange is less likely to respond to a well-reasoned argument by informed and invested moderators like this than a pack of idiots on Twitter hooting for blood. Cancel-culture is cancer.
- chimi 7y agoHonest Question: Why continue to support stack exchange through this? They have shown themselves to be disingenuous at best. They are now profiting off free labor. They started it because ExpertsExchange was hiding answers. They rode the high horse to hypocrisy. Why continue helping people like that succeed? Why not just start a new one? Leave en masse to a new playground. Speak with your answers. Show the powers that be they can't treat the sharecroppers like this anymore. Hasn't history shown the way? It's repeating itself all over this controversy. Is this an inevitability? How can this be prevented? It feels like the issue regarding Monica is just the issue we are all talking about, but ultimately, it goes much deeper.
- wavefunction 7y agowhat do you mean by support? I google and sometimes use their content and that's it. There are other sources.
- chimi 7y agoBy support I mean, continue to moderate their website for them. Answer questions for them. Ask questions of them. Continue to give them time and help them create the product they are going to sell to someone else and keep all the money for themselves. And also support by voicing concerns. Showing them what their user base wants when they clearly don't care what their user base wants, only what they want in their wallet.
- p1esk 7y agoI ask questions there because I get good answers quickly. Sometimes I see questions in my field of expertise and I answer them. Which other site should I go to instead to have that?
- sesuximo 7y agoThis is the last straw for me. The ads were also out of control. Real documentation is better anyway!
- ben174 7y agoIt's incredible that pronouns can bring down an entire community. Pick you battles please, we're losing good things because of this silly conflict.
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- thanatropism 7y ago“Keeping your identity small” has certainly gone out of fashion.
- schappim 7y agoPG Essay: http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html
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- dclusin 7y agoThis essay would be harshly criticized if it was written today. It still might be someday.
- pcl 7y agoWhy do you say that?
- dclusin 7y agoBecause given the prominence of identity as a central cultural debate, this essay comes across as tone deaf. I said it still might be because there's a tendency to judge past works by todays moral standards. For for instance, look at the twitter kerfuffle that ensued when Netflix decided to carry the old television show Friends.
- ldigas 7y agoWhile, in the beginning, a very active user, I've long now given up on that network. I can't remember when was the last time I asked a question without being forced to defend it for a period of at least a few hours, why it shouldn't be closed as a duplicate, offtopic or ... It used to be an excellent network, but nowadays it's just script-kiddies-playing-admins/editors playground. It is no longer a productive technical community, so I've gone back to specialized forums. Pity, I really liked the sites in the beginning.
- sytelus 7y agoI don't understand this cry against moderators. These people are volunteerily giving their time to keep quality bar high without any payment. If these people weren't there then SO will be full of duplicates, off-topic and opinion based Q&A just like Quora. A general tendency I have seen is just to ask (often poorly stated) questions without doing simple search to see if it is already answered. Someone needs to respect those people picking up garbage on the street.
- ALittleLight 7y agoI don't understand why people would volunteer to do work for a for profit entity. Especially one that will, apparently, fire you on a whim.
- whatshisface 7y agoYou work as an unpaid content author for ycombinator.
- lawfulcactus 7y agoThe ratio of value (or entertainment) provided to oneself versus value provided to another entity clearly differs significantly between a user of a site and an (unpaid) moderator of it.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
- dangus 7y agoI'm totally out of the loop about what this drama is about, and I'll stay that way. These are unpaid community moderators. They are essentially volunteers doing this work because they want to. So let's ponder to ourselves and relate this to our own lives, what kind of relationship do we have with the organizations and people we do volunteer work with? If you're at a point where you're so dissatisfied that you're writing a sprawling open letter, a manifesto of your dissatisfaction, going as far as buying a domain and setting up a website to publicize how upset you are, just to complain to a place that you volunteer at, you know, maybe it's time to just let it go. Maybe don't volunteer there. StackExchange isn't even a charity, it's a private for-profit company. At the end of the day, people visiting the site just did a quick Google search and wanted their questions answered for free. They are generally unwilling to pay for this service. If StackExchange didn't exist something very similar would take its place. None of the general public needs to hear about whatever moderator drama took place, even if something criminal happened. It's not our problem. The users don't actually implicitly value what the moderators do. So if the moderators aren't happy, they should do something else with their valuable time.
- bluetwo 7y agoI have to agree: Voice your concerns and then vote with your feet. That said, I am confused as to why a letter representing a group of people adept at concise and clear communication would have no real goals or structure.
- brian-armstrong 7y agoThis is a shockingly unempathetic way to view the situation. These people have poured lots of their time into making SO work, and they deserve to be heard. There's no way anybody could build this service without volunteers. These things don't just spring up from the ground on their own, and as someone who uses the SE properties for personal and professional reasons, I hope these moderators can find some sort of satisfactory resolution.
- olingern 7y agoI agree. Without these people the site could fall into a mess of bad answers or a self promotion answer driven platform like Quora.
- sqldba 7y agoShouldn’t the CTO fire the person who was directly responsible for firing Monica? Why isn’t that part of it?
- SnarkAsh 7y agobecause she has 46k Twitter followers and the company fears Twitter above all else
- garmaine 7y agoBecause if you read the apology, he's actually backing her up. The "apology" is a lot better written than the terrible thing that was posted a day or so ago, but it is STILL essentially "We're sorry that you are upset." It's not an apology. AFAICT the facts of the matter haven't changed here at all.
- Ixio 7y agoI see firing in such a case as a cop-out, a cowardly way to appease mob-mentality. In this case if the employee responsible for firing the moderator did such acts repeatedly despite management warnings than perhaps it's a good idea to fire that person. However this doesn't seem to be the case, the CTO correctly assumed responsibility in his apology of green-lighting the moderator's firing. He does the right thing, in my opinion, by promising a better process that wouldn't lead to such a hurtful (and seemingly unfair) dismissal. You don't fire an employee for mistakenly deleting your production database, you update your process so this cannot happen (at least not by accident).
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- onetime0001 7y agoI don’t understand why gender/pronouns is even being discussed. Someone’s personal feelings don’t really have any place in a question/answers site. It’s fine to respect a persons feelings and such when talking to a person but when answering a question or asking the question. The gender/pronoun is irrelevant.
- ng12 7y agoIt's confusing to me too. Very clearly this is a battle for which there are only losers and no winners.
- sesuximo 7y agoRegardless of what SE should do with pronouns, a mod shouldn't get fired for clarifying
- sgummaluri 7y ago+1. Couldn't agree more!
- sgummaluri 7y agoThis is not the first time nor this is specific to SO. Here[0] is another occurrence of something similar to those interested. [0]https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538615 https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538...
- yitchelle 7y agoThe folks moderating SE are very pedantic about the wording of passages. Once I called SE a "forum", and I was politely told not to call SE a "forum". I would really hate to be a person that is not very fluent in English and trying to interact with SE.
- Ixio 7y agoOne of my latest questions got as first comment : "Please use English punctuation when writing in English." Certainly polite but a bit jarring as a non-native speaker that feels fluent. Also a bit nonsensically-bureaucratic : I made the mistake because I didn't know any better, after the comment I still couldn't correct the mistake because I still didn't know any better, I wasn't even sure what rule of punctuation I had wronged. I would've preferred a direct edit instead of a comment prompting though I guess that can be seen as worse by some people.
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- throwaway10_06 7y ago"Beware of words. The moment you look away, they will take on a life of their own; they will dazzle, mesmerize, terrorize, lead you astray from the reality they represent, lead you to believe they are real. The world you see is not the kingdom seen by children, but a fragmented world, broken into a thousand pieces by the word. It is as if each ocean wave were seen to be distinct and separate from the body of the ocean."
- u-dissolve 7y agoThis reminds me of the time when stack exchange updated their terms of service to include an arbitration clause. The community was in uproar over this decision, yet the clause stands to this day. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309746/a-new-2018-update-to-our-terms-of-service-is-here https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309746/a-new-2018-u... Stack overflow's terms of service is pretty terrible, receiving the worst rank in terms of user hostility on TOS;DR. https://tosdr.org/#stackoverflow https://tosdr.org/#stackoverflow
- greggman2 7y agoThat hardly seems fair. For 99.99% of users everything they do on the site is publically available. There is no private messaging, no private anything. The entire history of everything on all sites being public is one of the explicit goals of the site. So "sharing with 3rd parties" means absolutely nothing. Those 3rd parties could scrape the site or they could download the archive. https://archive.org/details/stackexchange https://archive.org/details/stackexchange It doesn't seem like they should be marked as having a poor TOS for at least half the things listed as those things are basically the known purpose of the site.
- u-dissolve 7y agoThis simply isn't true - your most sensitive information is not public, yet is shared with 3rd parties. From their privacy policy: "We collect location information about you including your IP address, your location, browser information, and how you came to the Stack Overflow Network." (SO also collects your email address, interests, and employment status upon registration - this is not mentioned specifically in the privacy policy) "This is the case for individuals who have registered for an account, and non-members who engage with the Stack Overflow Network by visiting our website(s) but who have not completed an account registration." "We share this information with certain third-parties (e.g., talent recruiters, payment processors, and advertising providers)" https://stackoverflow.com/legal/privacy-policy https://stackoverflow.com/legal/privacy-policy
- anon12345690 7y agoyea these pronouns affect like 0.01% of people but go ahead and worry about them instead of everyone else and youll ruin every community when are people gonna figure out that you cant make everyone happy and the people who whine about pronouns wont ever stop nice downvotes lol, cant handle the truth?
- Pfhreak 7y agoPronouns affect most people. Most people use them. If you are talking about trans people, it's estimated to be about 1-3% of people. That's roughly one in thirty to one in a hundred people. That puts it at about the roughly same numbers as the number of redheads. It's uncommon, sure, but it's not totally minuscule. Trans folks are also one of the most likely (if not the most likely) minorities to suffer physical violence just for who they are. All they are asking for is the same basic level of respect and politeness that anyone else gets.
- anon12345690 7y agono its not basic respect, stop making it so dramatic theyre not talking about any specific person are they? no, they want to change all the examples to be gender neutral. why? when people hear Bob they think He. they dont ask "well what if bob is trans?"
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- roenxi 7y ago> All they are asking for is the same basic level of respect and politeness that anyone else gets. Well no, that is the entire reason the situation isn't an open-and-shut-nothing-to-see-here non-controversy. The other 97-99% of people go through life without ever particularly asserting that a specific personal pronoun needs to be used for them. They'll get antsy if someone is trying to insult them, but it looks a lot like the insult matters more than the pronoun. That 99-97% of people don't really control their public identity; have you ever seen someone trying to shake a nickname they don't particularly like? An identity is in the hands of the community. Asserting control is actually highly unusual, transexual or otherwise, and goes beyond the bounds of routine politeness. The issue is that there is an activist minority (who may or may not be part of the trans community) who want to force people to talk in a certain way. That is not basic politeness and respect. It is complicated and context specific - especially once people start getting sacked and excluded over it.
- peterwwillis 7y agoWho else remembers the world before SE, when people just did exactly the same thing as SE, but on mailing lists, and we found answers via web search, and we didn't need all this moderation, categorization, voting, etc?
- whatshisface 7y agoStack exchange works a lot better for me than mailing lists did. Its greatest contribution is the near elimination of duplicate questions.
- quotemstr 7y agoFAQ lists served the role of duplicate-consolidation in the pre-stack-exchange era. They seemed adequate for this task.
- tbyehl 7y agoExcept that every new question gets shut down as a duplicate and the older question being "duplicated" is 5 years old, full of obsolete answers, doesn't address the subtle differences in what people are asking, etc. They want to use the Q&A format to build something Wikipedia-like for each site's subject areas but the incentive structure hasn't lead to Wikipedia-level content curation. Mailing lists, sub-Reddits, forums... they all end up high duplicative. But people are also paying attention to all those duplicated answers, and the next go 'round they contribute an even better answer, and maybe that ends up in a FAQ or wiki and someone actually puts in the effort to keep it up-to-date. Or Google figures out the best answer based on being newest, click rates, whatever other voodoo that they do. Which, in my experience, is almost never a Stack Exchange.
- je42 7y agoThis is totally sad. I really wonder how a company could publish a year ago in 2018 "Our Theory of Moderation, Re-visited.": > Trust people. > Supporting people should be your default reaction and then a year later be in this current state. Worse is, SE seems to unable to reactify the situation in a meaninful and trustful way.
- awinter-py 7y agothe free & freemium web have an arbitration gap and it will get worse before it gets better stackexchange works because questions can get answered with relatively little money changing hands (AWS & advertisers mainly), but that means employees can't offer due process on disputes without erasing the company's margins. these companies can't offer centralized due process to everyone because it would open them to being DDOS'd by competitors / trolls. Maybe justice can be crowdsourced in the same way as javascript questions by identifying neutral people in the stackexchange network, but that would be a huge experiment and open SO/SE to community backlash when it went badly.
- gizmo686 7y agoIf only SE could somehow get a bunch of people to work as moderators without paying them. Except that is exactly what happened; but recently SE managed to piss off a large number of its volunteer moderators, who have (among other things) written the linked complaint.
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- _pmf_ 7y agoI see the moderators as (major) part of the problem. > There was a time when the most valuable asset of the Stack Exchange network was the people who freely contributed their time and energy to build communities in support of its mission. Deleting valid or interesting questions is not something I consider to be a valuable contribution.
- loxs 7y agoStack Exchange is now a political battleground and long are gone the days when it was a tool for sharing technological knowledge. They are now competing who is more oppressed instead of who knows more. That's what you get when you let ideology become more important than the core of the product. This is only the beginning of the downfall.
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- tzfld 7y agoI have read every hn submitted articles about this drama, but I still don't get what this is all about. Maybe because of my english not being the best.
- Yen 7y agoI'll do my best to summarize the situation, at least as well as I understand it. When speaking in English, it often sounds awkward to repeatedly use the same proper noun in a sentence or paragraph. So, instead of repeated use of the actual noun, a pronoun is used. When referring to individual people, or to some animals, the most common pronouns to use are "he" or "she", depending on the person being talked about. When referring to a group of people, the typical pronoun is "they". It's also possible to use "they" as a non-gendered pronoun for a single person. By itself, the mere grammatical fact of these pronouns is not particularly interesting. However, right now the United States, and other countries, are experiencing social and political tension around a broad range of related topics - how do we treat people of different genders? How do we treat people who are transgender? Or people who don't feel like they're clearly masculine or feminine? Should gender even have a great role in society? Usage of pronouns has become a particular sticking point during this tension. For example, let's imagine a person named "Pat". Pat was born as a male, but wishes to be identified as a woman. When talking _about_ Pat, I have a few options in how I talk about he/she/them, and which I choose to use will divide me into one of two political camps. ----- I could refer to Pat as "she", indicating that I respect her choice and identity, which also implies that I find her framework of gender at least tolerable or imaginable. I could refer to Pat as "they", which is typically not particularly offensive, and some people prefer it. It shows that even if I don't agree with their choice, I want to sidestep awkwardness with them. This lightly shows me as being in the gender-inclusive camp. I could refer to Pat continuously as "Pat". This would tend to sound awkward, and Pat might wonder why I won't use pronouns to talk about Pat, and might be mildly offended, but it shows I'm at least aware enough of Pat's feelings to try and avoid serious offense. I could refer to Pat as "he", which would indicate that I do not respect his choice. Pat would likely feel that I don't respect him at all, and that I'm being belligerent in opposing his framework of gender. ----- It seems like the inciting incident on StackOverflow in particular unfolded as follows: * StackExchange began to introduce a new policy, intended to promote being inclusive of people of different genders and gender expressions. * If I understand correctly, the policy indicated that writing should strive to be gender neutral. I believe in particular that this meant that the pronoun "they" should be preferred. * One particular Moderator (by the username Cellio) of the site attempted to clarify, about whether writing that _avoided_ pronouns rather than using pronouns, would be allowed. * _In Particular_, Cellio was concerned that the usage of the "they" pronoun to refer to individual people could be confusing to non-native English speakers, as "they" is more commonly used to refer to groups of people. * Drama ensued, in which the stance of Cellio was cast as ideologically equivalent to the stance of someone who would intentionally use the wrong pronouns. (i.e., because Cellio was indicating that they did not wish to refer to a hypothetical Pat as "they", the assumption was that Cellio would refer to Pat as "he", even though Pat would prefer to be referred to by either "she" or "they") * StackExchange thus fired the Cellio. * Other people found this firing to be unfair, with a few reasons for finding it unfair: People who agree with the ideological framework of gender which promotes inclusivity and sensitivity felt like the fired moderator was actually being quite reasonable, and that this was an over-reaction or misunderstanding. People who don't agree with that ideological framework of gender see this as another example of an opposing political camp colonizing more spaces. There are a handful of people who believe the firing was reasonable, but I don't believe I can adequately express their viewpoint.
- sgt 7y agoI'm confused here. What's the TL;DR of what happened?
- nazka 7y agoI don't understand how they are not actively engaging with the community. It's going to cost them every day this is not taken care of. Key people already left, more will leave, and the damage will still be here. Even if they come back to how it was before doesn't mean everybody will come back after that like nothing happened.
- nabdab 7y agoStack exchange has had issues from the beginning with absolutely horrible people being mean aggressive and deflective, telling people they are idiots for not providing 110% of available information in their first answer. Moving to close questions as duplicates or irrelevant while the answer still hasn’t resolved anything. The site supported this because it helped promote their “one true answer high on google ranking”-value drive It’s been an extremely toxic environment, which however was very useful for searching out answers to common questions after the fact. Now not too long ago I thought from their public communication that they wanted to fix this, or at least make some serious headway towards reducing the toxicity and vile. But no. Instead they decided to hire the assholes and have them be assholes to the community moderators. This time over something as silly as the right to not always actively referring to people in gendered terms.
- ykevinator 7y agoDear moderators, Stop flagging stuff as dupes, then I will support your thing. And also why do you work for free, Love, Kevin
- notadev 7y agoIn the early 2000s, Community Leaders (unpaid volunteers who 'worked' as moderators on AOL) sued AOL for compensation for their work under the Fair Labor Standards Act. They won $15 million. All volunteers should do the same. StackExchange mods, Reddit moderators, etc. Stop working for free to advance the financial interests of these for-profit companies looking to exploit your labor.