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Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I thi
by nimz 7y ago
Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%22textmate%22,%22sublime%20text%22,%22visual%20studio%20code%22 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
- Nicksil 7y agoToo late for what?
- arthurcolle 7y agoDominance of the text editor market. TextMate was pretty meh, Coda I tried and thought was ridiculously overpriced for its total lack of features. Sublime was great for its time, I even paid for a license, but Atom is just too good for its value (free). But apparently VS Code is becoming extremely popular. I wonder if its literally just because of GitLens (still missing from other text editors). Disclaimer: RubyMine / IntelliJ for life.
- batoure 7y agoI do most of my development work in Jetbrains IDEs and am a huge fan but if you don't keep the environment open 100% of the time it takes a long time to bootstrap. texmate is great for fast one offs
- arthurcolle 7y agoSo keep it open all the time? Are you really working on more than one serious project at a time? I use Atom for my quickie projects here and there, but you really can't beat an IDE. (IMO)
- Freak_NL 7y agoI usually have three instances of IntelliJ open at the same time with large Java projects in them. One I'm working in, another a colleague is asking me questions about, another to lookup some related code, et cetera. CPU use is negligible and I have plenty of RAM.
- bdcravens 7y agoFar more than GitLens. Integrated terminal, for example. You can add database tools, Docker tools, etc. The relatively recent addition of SFTP is a first class implementation.
- snazz 7y agoIt’s possible that native graphical editors will increase in popularity at some point. There’s probably a niche of people who don’t like the potentially poor performance of Electron-based editors but don’t want to learn (or find that they dislike) terminal-based editors like Vim and Emacs. Who knows? Google Trends isn’t an accurate way to tell the popularity of programming languages either.
- TylerE 7y agoSublime Text, is native, isn't? Sure, much of the API and all the plugin stuff is in Python, but the core is all native C++ AFAIK.
- snazz 7y agoIt’s also declining according to the chart, but you’re right that it’s both native and way more popular than TextMate.
- cies 7y agoI found that ggl trends graphs for tech topics usually decline over time and I attribute it to more non-technical crowd becoming netizens and thus technical topics will usually seem declining.
- statictype 7y agoIts native but cross platform so many Mac purists don’t consider it as “native” as TextMate, which is built specifically for the Mac and doesn't compromise on standard Mac UI idioms. Having said that, if they had known all the modern alternatives were going to be even less “native” amd run in a browser engine, they'd probably have been less nitpicky.
- arghwhat 7y agoEh, as a macOS user until recently, I found Sublime Text to be a very integrated application. Appearance and behavior was exactly as I'd expect from modern macOS applications. It may not be heavy on archaic Mac features such as AppleScript integration, but I hope we can all agree to ignore those technologies. TextMate just brings memories of the 10.4 Tiger days.
- Advaith 7y ago> Jumped ship to Sublime when it was released because it was evolving much quicker. Was glad to have backwards compat on a lot of things like themes. Still have my modified “Made or Code” theme kicking today. Tried TM2 a ton during the betas but never managed to reach the same level of productivity as Sublime. My muscle memory is too strong now and I can’t find any reason to leave. That's an interesting comparison. I completely agree that VSCode is the rage right now. Sublime was big 2014-2016. I'm surprised atom isn't as popular (I suspect its because of the awful loading time)
- thedanbob 7y agoThat’s why I never switched from Sublime to Atom, the general slowness was just too frustrating. Not just the load time, but things like opening large-ish files or global find/replace. VSCode kind of feels like how Atom should have been, fully featured with lots of great plugins but also snappy. I still keep Sublime in my toolbox in case I have to open a huge file or something.
- lettergram 7y agoAtom is more popular than those listed: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%22textmate%22,%22sublime%20text%22,%22visual%20studio%20code%22,Emacs,%2Fm%2F0_x5x3g https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
- stu_k 7y ago"atom" probably includes searches for the particle, not just the editor, so not really fair comparison. Also "vs code" trends higher than "visual studio code", so take all of these results with a pinch of salt.
- lettergram 7y agoIf you look it says "Atom - Text Editor"
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- sixothree 7y agoI tried adding Notepad++ to this comparison but google filtered it to mean "notepad". Lame.
- tinodotim 7y agoWorks if you search for each software as a "topic" instead of the (exact) queries. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F04t89l,%2Fm%2F0b6h18n,%2Fm%2F0134xwrk,%2Fm%2F09gl10 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...
- WilliamEdward 7y agoNah, I just tried it out and it's great. One of the few good lightweight editors on macos, and might make me ditch vim since i never needed most of its functions. Popularity doesn't really mean much.
- elliotf 7y agoAs an aside, I added vim and vi to the trends, which dwarf the others, but show a long and slow decline for `vi`, but a fairly steady state for `vim`. As a vim user that at times wishes he learned emacs instead of vim, emacs is an interesting trend to see: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q="textmate","sublime%20text","visual%20studio%20code",vi,emacs https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q="...
- halflings 7y agoHow much of that is just users searching "how to exit vim" though? :) Half-joking, but I think it is actually over-estimating the vim user base because there are so many things to search when learning to use vim, whereas the others are much closer to a traditional word processors.
- saagarjha 7y agoKeep in mind that "vi" has meaning outside of text editors.
- elliotf 7y agoVery true and likely, also considering how short the terms are, but emacs is in clear decline. Perhaps it's just become so easy to use, no one needs to search for anything anymore?
- kamaal 7y agovi usage is here to stay, even if not heavy usage, some one has to always change something in a file on a server and has to use vi. Apart from that, Emacs usage mostly correlates how much of text heavy tasks a programmer is doing. Most people tend to write tons of shell/perl/python scripts and take a lot of time recreate the magic of emacs outside it, Sadly most of it is also throw away effort with a lots of manual effort in between. Sometimes its entirely manual effort because eventually you need to learn Perl regexes, or sed or awk really well, and that's another black hole in itself. To me that's kind of a gap in developer training itself. If you are wasting man-hours to weeks doing what should be done in man-minutes you probably have a huge gap in the way you are used to thinking about how your work in general. Growth of Python is a big problem for programming community at large. It's a tool largely designed for beginners and people refuse to move beyond that. What's worse they also carry that kind of thinking to any tool they want to use. Developers are generally bad at automating our own work. We wish to liberate accountants and ware house workers from drudgery. But rarely do we look at our own very work the very same way.
- bluedino 7y agoI hope sublime doesn't die off (or fade into obscurity)
- mikl 7y agoI’m afraid that ship has sailed.
- cies 7y agoI believe the uptake of typed langs (typescript) is what drives peeps to look beyond sublime.
- overcast 7y agoThey blew it, plain and simple. Development went dark, VS Code swept in and took its place. Sad.
- patrickmcnamara 7y agoAt least VS Code and TextMate are free and open-source software. Sublime is basically dead and there's no chance of a fork.
- xipho 7y agoIndeed, but not the whole story ;) https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%22textmate%22,%22sublime%20text%22,%22visual%20studio%20code%22,%22vim%22,%22emacs%22 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
- chr1 7y agoWould be interesting to know which percentage of vim searches are for vim keybindings in other editors. (i know several people who use vim keybindings, but don't know anywone who uses vim itself)
- bastawhiz 7y agoOr, people searching for how to exit vim.
- elldoubleyew 7y agoA little off topic: but when I was in uni our instructors insisted that we use vim for all of our development during the freshman year CS courses. Did everyone actually use it? Of course not, but a significant amount of class time was spent teaching keybindings, macros, etc. I really built a habit of vanilla vim usage, and to this day I have yet to find a "modern" text editor that really supports everything that vim has to offer i.e. "vim mode" being more than binding the arrow keys to hjkl and providing modes.
- keithnz 7y agoI've found a lot support most of the standard modes / commands but not vim scripts (and partial ex mode quite often) . Which is often fine as extended functionality often comes through the host editor/ides native capabilities. The advantage being they can leverage things that just don't exist in Vim.
- kator 7y agoHmm good point, when looking for a place to retire look for Vim searches!
- fookitty 7y agoThere I fixed it for you https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%22textmate%22,%22sublime%20text%22,%22visual%20studio%20code%22,vim https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
- xapata 7y agoThat may indicate vim users googling for how-to guides.
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- elcritch 7y agoDon’t forget emacs of course: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%22textmate%22,%22sublime%20text%22,%22visual%20studio%20code%22,vim,Emacs https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%... Looks like Emas used to rule the roost but then died away. What really piques my interest is why those of us in Wyoming (and the Dakota’s and Alaska) and apparently love Vim: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22textmate%22,%22sublime%20text%22,%22visual%20studio%20code%22,vim,Emacs&geo=US&date=all#GEO_MAP https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22textmate%22,%2...
- wyclif 7y agoBecause vim is great for cowboy coding? (I've been using vim for decades)
- kamaal 7y agoEmacs takes a fair bit of commitment in time and practice to use it well. In these days of 40 hour work weeks, and life long beginner stage programmers. You won't be seeing its usage grow. I'd even go to an extent and say vim trends show supply of intermediate level programmers. Emacs trends show supply of expert programmers. The fact that those trends are in a downward direction tells a story in itself.
- zerr 7y agoAlso interesting the decline of Emacs and the stability of vim: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%22textmate%22,%22sublime%20text%22,%22visual%20studio%20code%22,emacs,vim https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...