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"...ending...": in fact, it has just begun.. There's a long way until this 'agreement' becomes a 'reality' (referendum and constitutional changes in FYROM and
by djif 8y ago
"...ending...": in fact, it has just begun..
There's a long way until this 'agreement' becomes a 'reality' (referendum and constitutional changes in FYROM and then vote in both parliaments). But most importantly the will of the people has been ignored so only the near future will show what will actually happen.
For a historical reference about this issue and the Greek identity of Macedonia:
https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/6265/was-alexander-the-great-greek-or-macedonian https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/6265/was-alexand...
- fifnir 8y agoWhich will of which people was ignored?
- shp0ngle 8y agoBoth. Nationalist Greeks are angry and so do nationalist Makedonians. I would think both countries have more important things to protest about than name change, but then I don't live on Balkans.
- ben_w 8y agoWill of the people != will of the nationalists. Can’t really say the will of the people is being ignored when referenda are planned, referenda which one can reasonably still presume will be binding.
- v_lisivka 8y agoBoth Greece and Macedonia are national countries, so in this case will of the people == will of the nationalists.
- newfoundglory 8y agoGreece probably shouldn't have elected an anti-nationalist governing party then.
- v_lisivka 8y agoSome nations have home: their own country, so in these cases people == nation, and will of the people == will of the nation.
- immigrantsheep 8y agoThings like these are, sadly, very important in the Balkans sigh
- FactolSarin 8y agoI'm pretty sure the name of your own country is important to most people everywhere.
- nspattak 8y agothe first part of your last sentence: Welcome to Balkans!
- phobosdeimos 8y agoStrange AFAIK the Greek-Macedonian border is not contested. Both countries acknowledge eachother sovereignty.
- v_lisivka 8y agoBecause of rules of NATO.
- djif 8y agoThat will: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42937889 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42937889 And before you speak again about nationalists, etc read a bit about Mikis Theodorakis who was the main speaker addressing the crowd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikis_Theodorakis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikis_Theodorakis
- detaro 8y agoSo on both sides, the people that are unhappy would have wanted the other side to make more concessions?
- fifnir 8y agoThat's exactly why I poked him. Only nationalists are displeased. source: I'm Greek and I think this is a great deal
- djif 8y agoI can see you can't really understand what a nationalist means despite one representative source I cited with regards to Mikis Theodorakis. I won't mock you for that -as you did- however to make my point easier for you here is a hint: M. Theodorakis has been a communist all his life and was imprisoned during the Greek dictatorship (Junta) in 1967-74. Junta is the 'dream' of Greek nationalists (see Golden Dawn). I think that'd be helpful
- macns 8y agoTo my eyes Miki is reading someone else's opinions. Happens a lot lately. It looks like he is being used every time he steps up publicly regarding national matters. IMHO.
- YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago>> But most importantly the will of the people has been ignored so only the near future will show what will actually happen. If "the will of the people" is to cling on to nationalist and irredentist ideas, then it's imperative that the people are givent he opportunity to reconsider their "will". We know all too well what happens in Europe when we let nationalism guide us. In the Balkans, even more so. The "will" of the people can certainly not be that we are constantly up in arms, killing each other for petty malakies (yes, I'm Greek). The only "people" who "will" this are populist politicians who stand to profit from constant unrest.