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Bernie Sanders' 404 page
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoIsn't it Bernie Sanders', not *Bernie Sander's? (Edit: or Sanders's, indeed. That's what I'd usually write.)
- albedoa 11y agoThere's a style choice. I prefer: Bernie Sanders's We can agree that the title is clearly wrong :D (In case it gets fixed, the title was submitted with: Sander's)
- keeganpoppen 11y agoBernie Sanders's'
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- yellowapple 11y agoBernie S'anders.
- raldi 11y agoActually, if you want to get technical, it should be "Bernies Sander".
- Someone1234 11y agoNo, because that's not his name. His name is Bernard Sanders and he goes by "Bernie." So Bernie Sanders, or expanded out to Sanders's or Sanders' are correct.
- insensible 11y agoMost styles render this as Bernie Sanders’s. In some circles this rendering (Bernie Sanders’) is correct. Reasonable people disagree: http://www.dailywritingtips.com/possessive-of-proper-names-ending-in-s/ http://www.dailywritingtips.com/possessive-of-proper-names-e... but those are the only two correct versions.
- Someone1234 11y agoThe way I always understood it is that originally the s's (Sanders's dog) style was considered correct, and that the s' (Sanders' dog) style was a shorthand version for informal writing (so in formal writing it would be "sanders's dog" and in letters to a friend it might be "sanders' dog"). But as with all things, informal writing was more popular than formal writing, and eventually the s' style grew in such popularity that it became valid and understood in its own right. So now effectively we have two "correct" ways of representing the same thing, a "long form" version and a "short form" version. The way I was always taught it (in a stuffy English secondary school) was that consistency within a single text is the most important thing, if you write s's once, you have to use it everywhere else also (ex. quotes).
- coldpie 11y agoI think it's much more likely that s' is and has always been incorrect, but the error is so frequently committed that it has become "correct". Language does evolve, after all. Snark: Given the current rate of apostrophe-abuse, I look forward to the apostrophe merging with the S at the end of words to form a new final-S character, which eventually usurps S entirely re'sulting word's that were 'spelled wrong becoming correct, and creating very weird form's of po's'se's'sive noun's: Jame's''s.
- coldpie 11y agoMost manuals of style say that "Sanders's" is most correct, but will allow for "Sanders'". I strongly prefer the former. It's logical if you think of it: s' is always for plural nouns that end in S, 's is always for singular. "The cats' milk" vs "James's hand." This way also matches pronunciation. It gets tricky to keep straight when you have plural nouns that don't end in S. I know "Men's clothes" is correct. But I'm not sure what to do with fish. "The fish's pond"? "The fishes' pond"? (In any case, just because a word ends in S does not mean it needs an apostrophe. Many, many English writers need this lessen pounded into their head. I lose brain cells every time I see someone write "want's".)
- dhimes 11y agoThat's not the problem. The problem is that his name is Sanders, not Sander.
- r3bl 11y agoMan, it's no wonder that people like me two aren't speaking English natively get confused about that whole *'s thing.
- madeofpalk 11y agoIt is funny when we can't figure out how to spell using our own language :)
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- sdenton4 11y agoI agree that there's no need to dereference Bernie.
- billpg 11y agoPeople with names ending in S shouldn't be allowed to own things!
- thesteamboat 11y agoWith attitudes like that, it's no wonder he's a socialist.
- philangist 11y agoI don't follow politics at all, but the more I read and hear about Bernie Sanders the more I like him. I'm sure we've got a few political experts on Hacker News so I'd love to hear if you guys think he actually has any chance of winning the presidency.
- acslater00 11y agoI'll bet we've got a lot of "political experts" but probably not that many political experts.
- Yhippa 11y agoWhat exactly is a "political expert"?
- ruraljuror 11y agoThe distinction being made is between an expert in politics and someone who is political and an expert in something else (like tech).
- adrusi 11y agoI interpreted it as the distinction between someone who presents themselves as a political expert and someone who actually is.
- ruraljuror 11y agoI enjoy my interpretation more, but I think you're right. Good call.
- philwelch 11y agoHe doesn't. Not even most of the Democratic base will vote for a white male socialist in his 70's over Hillary, and he has no chance of winning the general election even if he were nominated. Even he probably knows this and is only running to make a statement.
- VMG 11y agonot really interesting content 55 upvotes and 4 comments weird.. EDIT: 5 new upvotes in less than a minute
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- morganvachon 11y agoHe's an interesting candidate. From what I've seen he's not your typical politician, and he seems to mesh well with the current twentysomething crowd despite being from the tail end of the "Greatest Generation" himself. I don't know how much of a chance he has to win the presidency, but I can say that I like him much, much better than any other candidate (and I'm not a political kind of guy).
- iamthepieman 11y ago> I like him much, much better than any other candidate (and I'm not a political kind of guy). I think that might be what relegates him to second place. The people who like him might go out and vote during the primary but that's it. You need to attract a lot more than votes or bodies at rallies to win the primary. You need to attract supporters willing to volunteer and get out on their streets all over the country.
- morganvachon 11y agoI don't know...I have a lot of friends on both sides of the fence who like him and have pledged to support his campaign with more than just votes. I've been described as a "fiscally conservative, socially progressive independent" by many acquaintances, and I can see myself voting for him all the way through. As I said, I don't really get political (I know, how un-American of me) but he's someone I would consider getting off the couch and knocking on doors for. He hits all the right points as far as I'm concerned, and he does it without grandstanding and deflecting like all the others. Of course it's early in the campaign yet, things may change for the worse and he may be revealed to be just another scummy politician. But from what I've read, he's been consistent throughout his career, so there's that.
- arjunrc 11y agoDoes anyone have a transcript for this? For the folks like me, who have access issues at work.
- pil4rin 11y agoHi, this is senator Bernie Sanders the good news is you're at the right website- and it's a really good website. The bad news is you're at the wrong page. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll find your way back home to where you should be. Thanks very much for being a part of our campaign.
- mrtobo 11y agoHe says "scoot down", not "scroll..." Corrected: Hi, this is senator Bernie Sanders. The good news is you're on the right website - and it's a really good website - the bad news is you're at the wrong page. Just scoot down to the bottom of the page and you'll find your way back home to where you should be. Thanks very much for being a part of our campaign.
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- ceejayoz 11y agoThere seems to be a trend to interesting/funny 404s for presidential campaigns. https://www.barackobama.com/45325r/ https://www.barackobama.com/45325r/ has a "thanks, Obama" GIF meme. https://www.bobbyjindal.com/dfka https://www.bobbyjindal.com/dfka blames the 404 on Obama with #ThanksObama" too.
- patorjk 11y agoFor the barackobama.com 404 page I got a message that said "Sorry, we couldn't fetch that page for you." and a gif of some dogs chasing after a ball.
- jlewallen 11y agoThere's a "Thanks, Obama" gif towards the bottom. I missed it at first too.
- patorjk 11y agoaaaah, now I see, thanks!
- skamoen 11y agoScroll down a little
- BinaryIdiot 11y agoYeah but scroll down; the thanks obama meme is below that :)
- couchand 11y agoI wonder if the Jindal supporters realize that joke's on them?
- ceejayoz 11y agoI honestly can't decide if it's plain tone-deaf or cleverly self-deprecating.
- dmschulman 11y agoI think we have The Atlantic to point to for making campaign 404 pages a "thing". They've been including a blurb about the 404 page on each candidate's website on their 2016 Election Cheat Sheet (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/2016-election/384828/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/2016-ele...) 404 pages are an opportunity to hide an easter egg but I wonder what presidential 404 page got The Atlantic focused on this trend in the first place.
- jnpatel 11y agoI'm just curious from where in his campaign management the impetus to pay attention to this sort of detail would have come.
- abrahamepton 11y agoMy guess, from having worked on statewide campaigns and following politics for my entire adult life (which is to say, I have no fucking clue but am happy to posit my opinion): his campaign knows their base includes a lot of young tech-savvy folks, and their tech team (who is well aware of this fact) wrote a quick script for him to spend a few minutes reading in front of a camera one day when he was at HQ. I would imagine the entire point was to generate exactly this discussion on exactly this (and a handful of other similar) website(s).
- iamthepieman 11y agoI wonder if this says more about Bernie or more about his supporters. The video almost reminds me of how I talk my 88 year old grandfather through computer tasks.
- mgiannopoulos 11y agoAn auto-loading video just because you ended up on a wrong URL? With a great part of visitors being on mobile, is this really the best use for bandwidth?
- davidy123 11y agoIt's not a good 404 though. Telling people to go back home and search, while probably the site reorganized their content without providing updated pointers.
- zxcvcxz 11y agoNot to mention it's an autoplay video with sound... Let's be honest, this is getting upvoted because it's Bernie Sanders.
- kazinator 11y agoMost 404 accesses are from people probing a server for common URL's belonging to vulnerable web applications. Thus my 404 page is a honeypot, and too many 404 accesses in a short period results in an automatic IP ban.
- taf2 11y agoJust be sure it's not an ip that many legit users are passing through ... Like in the days when dial up aol users would all pass through the same IP.
- kazinator 11y agoAll dial-up users being on the same IP would be tremendously convenient on the SMTP defense front, on the other hand.
- kkl 11y agoA somewhat-related honeypot that I have seen: Include a directory "visiting-this-will-ban-you" in your robots.txt that IP bans whomever visits it.
- 3pt14159 11y agoI would reconsider this approach that you have. I run web crawlers for fun and profit and there are several pages that you can assume a website might have, like robots.txt, humans.txt, sitemap.xml, sitemaps/sitemap-index.xml, blog.example.com, blog, etc. If someone is trying to get to admin.php, sure, ban them. Or if they are not following robots.txt. But sitemaps are not reliable enough sometimes and not all crawlers are meanies.
- mxfh 11y agoWish he could possibly record a video response for all the HTTP status codes. Especially interested in 417 Expectation Failed and 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons
- dataker 11y agoIt might seem weird for young adults, but many 60+ would believe it's a quite useful and easy 404.
- rabidonrails 11y agoI can't be the only person who thinks he sounds like Seinfeld's George Steinbrenner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJtDt10fRqw)
- mikesickler 11y agoYou're not. And it makes sense, since Sanders and Larry David (who voiced Steinbrenner on the show) are both from Brooklyn.
- mindcrime 11y agoI'm no fan of Bernie Sanders in general, but I have to admit, that was pretty nifty. Good jooooeerrrrb, Sanders Team!
- lnanek2 11y agoPretty nice UX, actually. Even a stereotypical grandma with no knowledge of the internet would probably have a high change of getting being told to scoot down to the nav below with a hand gesture and head back. Bet it retains users on the site better than a 404 without the video would.
- quotedmycode 11y agoI've been following him since I took the 'isidewith' quiz. I hadn't even heard of him before, but he's 96% compatible with my stances. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone instead of voting for a certain candidate, voted on the issues, and the candidate who voted most like the population would win... and their votes would be made public.
- ohitsdom 11y agoA blind vote. I can dig it.
- tvanantwerp 11y agoI took the isidewith quiz and got something like 80% for Bernie Sanders. Then I took the quiz, intentionally answering the opposite of everything I actually believe. Still about 80% for Bernie Sanders. I'm at a loss.
- natmaster 11y agoIt's called propaganda.
- tomjen3 11y agoWarning: the page auto plays a video. Apparently its HTML5 so flashblockers don't work.