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Extinct Humans Passed High-Altitude Gene to Tibetans
- tokenadult 12y agoReaders who are interested in this kind of thing may be interested in the new book by Svante Pääbo, Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes.[1] Pääbo was the first researcher to figure out how to sequence DNA from ancient human beings, starting with Egyptian mummies and eventually leading to the complete sequencing of Neanderthal nuclear genomes. [1] http://www.amazon.com/Svante-P%C3%A4%C3%A4bo/e/B00GJ9XR7O/ http://www.amazon.com/Svante-P%C3%A4%C3%A4bo/e/B00GJ9XR7O/
- walterbell 12y agoThat's also a good book on the politics of such research. "The Neanderthals Rediscovered", by Papagianni and Morse, has a good chronology of the species based on what is known to date. http://www.amazon.com/dp/0500051771/ http://www.amazon.com/dp/0500051771/
- defen 12y agoPerhaps not entirely surprising, when you consider how much better Tibetan high-altitude adapations are when compared to Andean people's. So the idea that they evolved in the span of 3,000 years seems suspect. Very interesting that they seem to have picked them up from a relict population - perhaps this is related to the Yeti stories?
- winestock 12y agoGreg Cochran has been making that argument for some time now. Here's his take on the issue: http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/rasmus-nielsen/ http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/rasmus-nielsen/
- mtdewcmu 12y agoI wondered this about Neanderthals, now Denisovans: in what sense are they extinct if their progeny still walk the Earth?
- meric 12y agoThe same sense dinosaurs are extinct while their progeny still walk/fly on earth.
- mtdewcmu 12y agoThat is a different sense. Totally different timescales, and dinosaurs were many species.
- netcan 12y agoI think it captures the general fuzziness of it all. "Species" don't really exist. All the classifications and taxonomies are fuzzy, to various degrees. Even parent-offspring is a tricky concept. Is the Tasmanian Devil facial cancer a new species? Did it evolve/mutate from tasmanian devils? Is it an offspring of a specific devil?
- sliverstorm 12y agoEasy. Tibetans are humans, with a small contribution of special adaptations from another species. A human that has one Neanderthal gene is not a Neanderthal. Therefore, Neanderthals are still extinct.
- mtdewcmu 12y agoHow many Neanderthal genes make a Neanderthal?
- sliverstorm 12y agoMore than half at least, as a mule is neither donkey nor horse
- swombat 12y agoWe have 50% genetic similarity with bananas - does that make us nearly bananas? More to the point, we have 96%-98.8% (depending on how you calculate it) similarity with chimpanzees. Presumably our similarity to Neanderthals would be very close to 100% "More than half" is a very poor measure unless you define "more than half" of what. I think it's a fair point to make that Neanderthals are not entirely extinct - a good portion of their genes just are. I guess one way to look at it is, assume that there are some genetic markers that make someone look asian. Now genocide everyone who's "pure" asian, i.e. has more than 50% of those markers. Would you consider "asian people" to be "extinct" then, even though most if not all of their genetic markers are sill in circulation in the human gene pool? [*] http://genecuisine.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/human-dna-similarities-to-chimps-and.html http://genecuisine.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/human-dna-similari...
- alexandros 12y ago...And I can't. Not yet anyway. Not until we clone one of them.
- gnerd 12y agoPity we didn't acquire Neanderthal genes for their 1600 cc brains, the largest of any primate species found to date. [1] Edit: Apologies to the downvoter, I should have substantiated that claim. I have added a source. [1] http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/society/neanderthal-man.html http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/society/neanderthal-m...
- kinleyd 12y agoThere's a subgroup of Asians spanning the Himalayas and east Asia that have blue bottommed babies that is generally believed to denote an ancestry that shares Genghis Khan, iirc. Anyone know whether this group is the same as the one that shares the Denisovan gene? There's one other thing that I think people living in the Himalayas have, myself included, that helps and that is proportionately humongous lungs. This is probably evolution at work over the course of centuries.
- hcarvalhoalves 12y ago> There's a subgroup of Asians spanning the Himalayas and east Asia that have blue bottommed babies That's funny. I had to Google it because I never heard about that before, but apparently it's extremely common! According to Wikipedia this trait is common not only on asians but also native americans, so it predates Genghis Khan. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_spot#Prevalence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_spot#Prevalence
- kinleyd 12y agoThat makes sense actually, given the belief that native Americans came from central Asia before the ice melted on the Bering Straits. When you compare native Americans with Asians from around the Himalayan region, the features are strikingly similar. I wonder if native Americans also have the high altitude gene at the same level of probability as Tibetans, given their shared blue bottoms? :)
- hcarvalhoalves 12y agoPossibly. Look at the Inca Empire. Peru, Bolivia, Chile are all above sea level. Machu Picchu peak is at 2.5km.
- qwerta 12y ago> Extinct Humans Passed High-Altitude Gene to Tibetans Extinct? Hmmm. Get over it we are partly neanderthals, denisovans and so on.