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IntelliJ IDEA 14 Early Preview is Available

85 points by emanuelez 12y ago

kamilafsar 12y ago
I hope they're going to fix the Scala and Play plugins. Unfortunately they say nothing about it. Sometimes the lag between typing and actually seeing it in Idea is a couple of seconds.. Still better than the last time I tried Scala IDE (eclipse) though.
- rational-future 12y ago
  Hmmm, I never had such a problem with Scala and Idea. How big are the projects you're working on? Maybe your computer is just slow.
- flavor8 12y ago
  I reported a series of bugs about the Java / Play plugin a couple weeks back. The support guy did some investigation and filed a few internal tickets...so they're working on it.
- wernerb 12y ago
  I don't know how long ago you tried the scala plugin. But I had the same bug when writing strings. What ultimately fixed it was disabling i18n support in the scala plugin preferences. I haven't had a single freeze/stutter since.
  - kclay 12y ago
    I take it you mean the actually "Ii8n for Java" Plugin?
- GyrosOfWar 12y ago
  Yeah, that's definitely an issue. The Scala auto-complete is not very responsive, which makes the whole IDE experience with Scala pretty undesirable, sadly. I've been using IDEA with Java in the last ~2 months and it was perfectly smooth all the time. I guess Scala is a lot more complex as a language than Java, which makes parsing it on the fly much harder.
  - mike_hearn 12y ago
    One thing I noticed about the Kotlin design and design discussions is that "that wouldn't be auto completable fast" comes up quite often. I had never thought about it before but it makes sense that language design choices can impact the speed of an IDE. I am starting to think that it also makes a lot of sense for language designers to have IDE development experience. I wish they'd hurry up and release a stable Kotlin.
    - hodortime 12y ago
      It would be pretty sad if code completion efficiency became a reason to compromise on other areas of a language.
      - mike_hearn 12y ago
        Why? They're just tools. Code completion is probably more important than a lot of the rather minor syntax sugar features in many languages.
- broodbucket 12y ago
  Agreed. In the meantime, I've switched to Ensime. Takes some getting used to but it's very nice.
- acjohnson55 12y ago
  Scala and Play support is already vastly ahead of where it was just 6 months ago, but there's definitely more room for improvement. The overall intelligence of the IDE is still sorely lacking versus what you get for, say, Java. I'd love to see a lot more support for intelligent editing of SBT files, more intuitive ways of finding usages of instances and types, working with implicits, and refactorings that align with Scala's abstractions. It seems like such a powerful language should have an IDE that gives you more ability to access those features. Also, I find the code style settings to be extremely difficult to tweak, in large part due to poor browsability and also because you can't actually see them applied to the example code next to the settings editor.
- hodortime 12y ago
  I haven't used the play plugin that much, but I've been very happy with the Scala plugin. In fact it's the only reason I switched to intellij. The only annoying bug I've encountered is bogus error notifications in Java code due to the ide ignoring Scala throws annotations on methods that java is calling.
gadr90 12y ago
I would love it if they focused on performance improvements and making the editor more lightweight overall. I love WebStorm, but even on my beastly XPS running nothing but it and Chrome, it sometimes hangs doing nothing. I'm starting to investigate other editors such as Atom because of this. I find it hard to believe that a quad core, modern computer can possibly have a hard time running a text editor.
- tobltobs 12y ago
  Are you using windows?
  - gadr90 12y ago
    Ubuntu 14.04. Sorry for the delay, I'm on vacations!
- maaaats 12y ago
  I have opposite experiences. Compared with other big IDEs IntelliJ gives much more help/features compared to resources used, for me.
- viraptor 12y ago
  Google a bit for adjusting GC settings in idea - stuff like http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2006/04/configuring-intellij-idea-vm-options/ http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2006/04/configuring-intellij-... (old, but check the comments). I'm not using it anymore, so can't find what I ended up with, but adjusting the startup options made a huge difference 2 years ago. I think I also went for one of the experimental/less stable concurrent collectors - didn't find any issues in practice.
  - specialist 12y ago
    +1 I bumped up heap space to min 1g max 2b. Now this beast of a Spring heavy project (day job) doesn't hang IntelliJ ("indexing..."). Seems to me these IDEs could suggest reasonable JVM options after profiling your project. Or at least put the JVM options in the preferences, so I don't have to dig around the install/distro.
eng_monkey 12y ago
Is this another minor release disguised as a major release in order make old customers renew the licence? I say this because I did not notice any major improvements between 12 and 13, but still I had to pay for a new licence.
- St-Clock 12y ago
  Starting from v13, JetBrains includes a 1-year upgrade on their intellij license. Example: http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/choose_edition.jsp?license=PERSONAL http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/choose_edition.jsp?license...
- reitanqild 12y ago
  My complaint is they assigned obvious and easy to fix bugs (not improvements ot new features) to next paid release. Thats were they lost me as a paying customer.
- maaaats 12y ago
  If you didn't feel you got anything useful in the new version, why pay for it?
  - andrewjshults 12y ago
    Some of the plugins (which is a big part of choosing IDEA over the sub-products) aren't backwards compatible (I had issues with the golang plugin in 12, but it's fine in the community edition of 13). Right now I've got PyCharm 3.4 (work license), IDEA 12UE (personal license), IDEA 13CE, and Android Studio on my machine to support the various languages I'm using on somewhat regular basis (90+% of my time is spent in python, which is why I don't just use the python plugin for IDEA - the plugins are nice, but the context menus get crazy one you have more than one active at a time)
_random_ 12y ago
I hope they will add C#+Xamarin support when their project N arrives. Sell for 30% of Visual Studio price: win for everyone (except MS).
- pweissbrod 12y ago
  Wouldnt the increased accessibility to the C# language be of benefit to MS?
  - _random_ 12y ago
    Maybe, they are thinking differently now.
- bitL 12y ago
  I don't think that's gonna ever happen. That would cannibalize ReSharper for C# sales which are bound to Visual Studio and cause a cool down in the relationship with Microsoft. Sure way to go out of business.
  - _random_ 12y ago
    Yes, but Roslyn is going to hurt ReSharper somewhat.
jwn 12y ago
Is there any discussion about IntelliJ supporting multiple open projects at once? Requiring a separate window for each project breaks down when I've got 21 projects open, as I have now in NetBeans.
- jasonwocky 12y ago
  Not to sound snippy, but how do you define projects in your world, and how do you benefit from having 21 of them open at once? How many do you interact with in a typical day? That setup is so far removed from my day-to-day experience that I'm genuinely seeking understanding here. At most, I typically have 3 or 4 open "projects" at once, and those would be fairly tightly related (like, a server codebase and a couple of clients for it).
  - MHordecki 12y ago
    Even then, I keep these related codebases as separate modules inside a single project.
  - jwn 12y ago
    I'm not going to go into my specific needs or project setup, but even with 4 open projects, IntelliJ requires 4 open windows! That's asinine when both NetBeans and Eclipse allow me to decide how many projects I want open within a given IDE window. It's the biggest reason I only use IntelliJ when writing IntelliJ plugins.
- bpodgursky 12y ago
  Have you looked into setting up your projects as modules? I have dozens of modules in a project with no issues. If the projects are related there are benefits like source code linking too.
dominotw 12y ago
Wow this is magnitudes slower that 13 CE. What gives? Can I turn off something(plugins?) to make it faster?
- agildehaus 12y ago
  You wait a while. It's not final code, it's an early-access preview.
- mdaniel 12y ago
  If you are experiencing quirks like that, please report them via http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/ http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/ since that is the whole purpose of an EAP program. I don't think you will receive support for your specific problem via the tracker, but at least they will be aware that such a condition exists. If you want help, http://devnet.jetbrains.com/community/idea/ideacommunity http://devnet.jetbrains.com/community/idea/ideacommunity will probably be a great place to start. I have found their forums to be responsive and to have a pretty good signal/noise ratio.

85 points by emanuelez 12y ago

I hope they're going to fix the Scala and Play plugins. Unfortunately they say nothing about it. Sometimes the lag between typing and actually seeing it in Idea is a couple of seconds.. Still better than the last time I tried Scala IDE (eclipse) though.

rational-future 12y ago
Hmmm, I never had such a problem with Scala and Idea. How big are the projects you're working on? Maybe your computer is just slow.
flavor8 12y ago
I reported a series of bugs about the Java / Play plugin a couple weeks back. The support guy did some investigation and filed a few internal tickets...so they're working on it.
wernerb 12y ago
I don't know how long ago you tried the scala plugin. But I had the same bug when writing strings. What ultimately fixed it was disabling i18n support in the scala plugin preferences. I haven't had a single freeze/stutter since.
- kclay 12y ago
  I take it you mean the actually "Ii8n for Java" Plugin?
GyrosOfWar 12y ago
Yeah, that's definitely an issue. The Scala auto-complete is not very responsive, which makes the whole IDE experience with Scala pretty undesirable, sadly. I've been using IDEA with Java in the last ~2 months and it was perfectly smooth all the time. I guess Scala is a lot more complex as a language than Java, which makes parsing it on the fly much harder.
- mike_hearn 12y ago
  One thing I noticed about the Kotlin design and design discussions is that "that wouldn't be auto completable fast" comes up quite often. I had never thought about it before but it makes sense that language design choices can impact the speed of an IDE. I am starting to think that it also makes a lot of sense for language designers to have IDE development experience. I wish they'd hurry up and release a stable Kotlin.
  - hodortime 12y ago
    It would be pretty sad if code completion efficiency became a reason to compromise on other areas of a language.
    - mike_hearn 12y ago
      Why? They're just tools. Code completion is probably more important than a lot of the rather minor syntax sugar features in many languages.
broodbucket 12y ago
Agreed. In the meantime, I've switched to Ensime. Takes some getting used to but it's very nice.
acjohnson55 12y ago
Scala and Play support is already vastly ahead of where it was just 6 months ago, but there's definitely more room for improvement. The overall intelligence of the IDE is still sorely lacking versus what you get for, say, Java. I'd love to see a lot more support for intelligent editing of SBT files, more intuitive ways of finding usages of instances and types, working with implicits, and refactorings that align with Scala's abstractions. It seems like such a powerful language should have an IDE that gives you more ability to access those features. Also, I find the code style settings to be extremely difficult to tweak, in large part due to poor browsability and also because you can't actually see them applied to the example code next to the settings editor.
hodortime 12y ago
I haven't used the play plugin that much, but I've been very happy with the Scala plugin. In fact it's the only reason I switched to intellij. The only annoying bug I've encountered is bogus error notifications in Java code due to the ide ignoring Scala throws annotations on methods that java is calling.

gadr90 12y ago

I would love it if they focused on performance improvements and making the editor more lightweight overall. I love WebStorm, but even on my beastly XPS running nothing but it and Chrome, it sometimes hangs doing nothing. I'm starting to investigate other editors such as Atom because of this. I find it hard to believe that a quad core, modern computer can possibly have a hard time running a text editor.

tobltobs 12y ago
Are you using windows?
- gadr90 12y ago
  Ubuntu 14.04. Sorry for the delay, I'm on vacations!
maaaats 12y ago
I have opposite experiences. Compared with other big IDEs IntelliJ gives much more help/features compared to resources used, for me.
viraptor 12y ago
Google a bit for adjusting GC settings in idea - stuff like http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2006/04/configuring-intellij-idea-vm-options/ http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2006/04/configuring-intellij-... (old, but check the comments). I'm not using it anymore, so can't find what I ended up with, but adjusting the startup options made a huge difference 2 years ago. I think I also went for one of the experimental/less stable concurrent collectors - didn't find any issues in practice.
- specialist 12y ago
  +1 I bumped up heap space to min 1g max 2b. Now this beast of a Spring heavy project (day job) doesn't hang IntelliJ ("indexing..."). Seems to me these IDEs could suggest reasonable JVM options after profiling your project. Or at least put the JVM options in the preferences, so I don't have to dig around the install/distro.

eng_monkey 12y ago

Is this another minor release disguised as a major release in order make old customers renew the licence? I say this because I did not notice any major improvements between 12 and 13, but still I had to pay for a new licence.

St-Clock 12y ago
Starting from v13, JetBrains includes a 1-year upgrade on their intellij license. Example: http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/choose_edition.jsp?license=PERSONAL http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/choose_edition.jsp?license...
reitanqild 12y ago
My complaint is they assigned obvious and easy to fix bugs (not improvements ot new features) to next paid release. Thats were they lost me as a paying customer.
maaaats 12y ago
If you didn't feel you got anything useful in the new version, why pay for it?
- andrewjshults 12y ago
  Some of the plugins (which is a big part of choosing IDEA over the sub-products) aren't backwards compatible (I had issues with the golang plugin in 12, but it's fine in the community edition of 13). Right now I've got PyCharm 3.4 (work license), IDEA 12UE (personal license), IDEA 13CE, and Android Studio on my machine to support the various languages I'm using on somewhat regular basis (90+% of my time is spent in python, which is why I don't just use the python plugin for IDEA - the plugins are nice, but the context menus get crazy one you have more than one active at a time)

_random_ 12y ago

I hope they will add C#+Xamarin support when their project N arrives. Sell for 30% of Visual Studio price: win for everyone (except MS).

pweissbrod 12y ago
Wouldnt the increased accessibility to the C# language be of benefit to MS?
- _random_ 12y ago
  Maybe, they are thinking differently now.
bitL 12y ago
I don't think that's gonna ever happen. That would cannibalize ReSharper for C# sales which are bound to Visual Studio and cause a cool down in the relationship with Microsoft. Sure way to go out of business.
- _random_ 12y ago
  Yes, but Roslyn is going to hurt ReSharper somewhat.

jwn 12y ago

Is there any discussion about IntelliJ supporting multiple open projects at once? Requiring a separate window for each project breaks down when I've got 21 projects open, as I have now in NetBeans.

jasonwocky 12y ago
Not to sound snippy, but how do you define projects in your world, and how do you benefit from having 21 of them open at once? How many do you interact with in a typical day? That setup is so far removed from my day-to-day experience that I'm genuinely seeking understanding here. At most, I typically have 3 or 4 open "projects" at once, and those would be fairly tightly related (like, a server codebase and a couple of clients for it).
- MHordecki 12y ago
  Even then, I keep these related codebases as separate modules inside a single project.
- jwn 12y ago
  I'm not going to go into my specific needs or project setup, but even with 4 open projects, IntelliJ requires 4 open windows! That's asinine when both NetBeans and Eclipse allow me to decide how many projects I want open within a given IDE window. It's the biggest reason I only use IntelliJ when writing IntelliJ plugins.
bpodgursky 12y ago
Have you looked into setting up your projects as modules? I have dozens of modules in a project with no issues. If the projects are related there are benefits like source code linking too.

dominotw 12y ago

Wow this is magnitudes slower that 13 CE. What gives? Can I turn off something(plugins?) to make it faster?

agildehaus 12y ago
You wait a while. It's not final code, it's an early-access preview.
mdaniel 12y ago
If you are experiencing quirks like that, please report them via http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/ http://youtrack.jetbrains.com/ since that is the whole purpose of an EAP program. I don't think you will receive support for your specific problem via the tracker, but at least they will be aware that such a condition exists. If you want help, http://devnet.jetbrains.com/community/idea/ideacommunity http://devnet.jetbrains.com/community/idea/ideacommunity will probably be a great place to start. I have found their forums to be responsive and to have a pretty good signal/noise ratio.