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Running ASP.NET vNext on OS X and Linux

143 points by chillitom 12y ago

chillitom 12y ago
https://jabbrlive.blob.core.windows.net/jabbr-uploads/Screen_Shot_2014-05-26_at_192506_0a6a.png https://jabbrlive.blob.core.windows.net/jabbr-uploads/Screen... Followed Graeme's instructions and after about 30 mins spent building the latest Mono I was quickly able to get ASP.vNext up and running on OSX. Found one small mistake in the instructions, the switch --feed should be --source in the kpm restore step.
- vittore 12y ago
  do you have zsh installed ? when i'm trying to install kvm i got error: .../.kre/kvm/kvm.sh:145: parse error near `]]'
  - chillitom 12y ago
    Haven't tried zsh but worked fine with bash. GNU bash, version 3.2.51(1)-release (x86_64-apple-darwin13)
chillitom 12y ago
Also a Linux screenshot: https://jabbrlive.blob.core.windows.net/jabbr-uploads/clipboard_b875.png https://jabbrlive.blob.core.windows.net/jabbr-uploads/clipbo...
rcarmo 12y ago
Awesome. I started looking at vNext last week, and stopped short of trying it then due to lack of a Windows machine (which I've set up in the meantime). This will make it a lot easier to experiment with.
rcarmo 12y ago
Awesome. I started looking at vNext last week, and stopped short of trying it then due to lack of a Windows machine (which I've set up in the meantime). This will make it a lot easier to experiment with.
rbanffy 12y ago
Microsoft sponsoring a cross-platform application environment does not make much sense. Why would they do something that is bad for them in the long run? Why would it make sense for them to release it under an open-source license? Can anyone imagine a compelling business case for this? I am not used to corporations being overly generous.
- marcosdumay 12y ago
  Maybe they realized that Windows is sinking[1] and if they don't untangle the company from it, the entire Microsoft will sink with it. [1] Slowly, but inexorably. Anyway, this is server side. The only similar act on the client side I can rmember is making Office run on Android.
  - rbanffy 12y ago
    Maybe, but where is their revenue model? They can't monetize it directly like they do Windows after open sourcing it and, if it succeeds, it'll end up taking market share away from Windows with nothing in return. We are still missing something.
    - sorenbs 12y ago
      MS has all the components, but still lot's of developers view the ms stack as boring corporate stuff. Azure has the potential to generate more revenue than the windows line in a few years. For that to happen they need a lot of developers on Azure, and making visual studio + .net super awesome seems like a good way to do it.
  - mistermann 12y ago
    "Sinking" http://seekingalpha.com/article/1970941-microsoft-earnings-hardware-sales-bolster-revenues http://seekingalpha.com/article/1970941-microsoft-earnings-h... Microsoft's Windows Server division is the second largest business unit making up over 20% of its total value. It is also one of the fastest growing divisions of Microsoft. During Q2 FY14, revenue from the commercial segment, which includes servers, commercial office licensing and cloud platform, grew 10% to $12.66 billion driven by higher SQL server sales and adoption of the cloud based Azure platform. Many customers of Microsoft depend on SQL servers for mission critical and business intelligence needs, specifically in the big data analytics domain. As a result, Microsoft's SQL server revenue grew by 11%, outpacing the server market. Additionally, its Azure cloud offering clocked in triple digit growth in revenues. We're encouraged by the continual growth that this division posted, and it is becoming an important driver for Microsoft's value.
MichaelGG 12y ago
> This is your ASP.NET vNext project file .. and not an angle bracket to be seen ! And no comments allowed, either! Changing formats to be hip is fun!
- MartinCron 12y ago
  Maybe it is possible to put comments in .csproj files, but that isn't exactly a common use case.
  - DougWebb 12y ago
    It's definitely not a common use case, because VS reformats the csproj files whenever it modifies them. Basically, when you make a change within VS that affects the csproj file, the entire file is pulled in through an XML parser into a DOM representation, modified in-memory, then serialized back out to XML. Frankly, I'm surprised comments are retained at all.
    - ygra 12y ago
      XML comments are part of the DOM and are retained, usually. And Visual Studio has become quite good at not clobbering things it does not modify itself. The project files are still normal MSBuild projects, so editing them by hand to add targets of other customisations isn't exactly uncommon.
  - MichaelGG 12y ago
    Except the apparent point of using JSON is to make it more human friendly. Otherwise, changing the format is quite pointless and not much of a feature to talk about.
- phillijw 12y ago
  Can't you use /* ... */ as comment?
- _random_ 12y ago
  It's a correct observation. Why switch from an extensible mark-up format to a non-extensible data format?
tphan 12y ago
Disappointing article. A console application isn't ASP.NET.
- davidfowl 12y ago
  Here's a web application https://github.com/davidfowl/HelloWorldVNext https://github.com/davidfowl/HelloWorldVNext
  - tphan 12y ago
    Thanks.
- xeroxmalf 12y ago
  Good thing it says ASP.NET vNext then.
itsboring 12y ago
I was reading that with a big smile on my face. They're doing a lot of stuff I've been wanting for a while, especially the web server agnosticism. My new LAMP stack: Linux, ASP.NET, Mono, PostgreSQL.
- deleted 12y ago
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- anilmujagic 12y ago
  "My new LAMP stack: Linux, ASP.NET, Mono, PostgreSQL." Good one :)
  - icantthinkofone 12y ago
    It made me laugh, too.
soAsian 12y ago
How about asp.net webforms? There are still a lot of projects tie up in webforms and not cost effective to rewrite it in mvc. It seem like vNext on Os X and Linux is only for MVC.
jqm 12y ago
Why exactly would I want this? What benefits does it provide? How is developing in a proprietary ecosystem...even if they do release it "for Linux" any better than developing in something like Python or Ruby? Serious question. If there are real benefits I would love to know about them.
- jqm 12y ago
  So, the question is unanswered but someone took the time to express their displeasure that it was asked... Very telling. And I think I now have my answer.
- hpaavola 12y ago
  Languages, libraries, performance, ...
- jongalloway2 12y ago
  It's too bad you were downvoted, this is a good question. First, I'd question why you'd still think of it as a proprietary ecosystem. It's an open source (Apache 2), cross platform framework. It's not even directly released by Microsoft, it's released under MS Open Tech, which is a foundation just focused on open source development. And it's not just "throw it over the wall open source", it's an open source project that's set up for and encouraging contributions. Even the compiler it runs on is open source, also under Apache 2 (http://roslyn.codeplex.com/license http://roslyn.codeplex.com/license). As for the "why" bit, here are some reasons: - If you're developing on Windows, Visual Studio is a pretty good web editor. That includes Visual Express for Web (free) with the Web Essentials extension (also free, works on Express). You can develop on Windows (inc. a VM) and deploy anywhere. - C# really is a pretty nice language. It's static and compiled, but has support for some dynamic features. Linq is really useful. Generics work well. The language spec is under an open standard. Everyone has their own preferences on languages, but it's pretty nice. - As a web framework running compiled assemblies, it can run pretty fast. - If you're interoperating with .NET and/or Mono, of course this is pretty useful. - C# and .NET are actually really good for cross-platform development (e.g. Xamarin hits ios, android, wp, maybe even tizen soon). For example, C# runs better on my Mac than Ruby does on my Windows machines. - If you find that ASP.NET MVC 6 (the version vNext will run, including MVC / Web API / SignalR) works for you but you don't like Windows, you could dev on Mac / *nix and publish to Azure / Mono / whatever.
colinramsay 12y ago
There's a few code samples here: https://github.com/aspnet/Home https://github.com/aspnet/Home For some reason I can't get the web ones to work (this is on OSX), I see: System.DllNotFoundException: httpapi.dll
bkeroack 12y ago
This would be great news, except I trust Mono even less than I trust IIS. At least IIS is fast, even if it breaks in bizarre and opaque ways.

143 points by chillitom 12y ago

https://jabbrlive.blob.core.windows.net/jabbr-uploads/Screen_Shot_2014-05-26_at_192506_0a6a.png https://jabbrlive.blob.core.windows.net/jabbr-uploads/Screen... Followed Graeme's instructions and after about 30 mins spent building the latest Mono I was quickly able to get ASP.vNext up and running on OSX. Found one small mistake in the instructions, the switch --feed should be --source in the kpm restore step.

vittore 12y ago
do you have zsh installed ? when i'm trying to install kvm i got error: .../.kre/kvm/kvm.sh:145: parse error near `]]'
- chillitom 12y ago
  Haven't tried zsh but worked fine with bash. GNU bash, version 3.2.51(1)-release (x86_64-apple-darwin13)

chillitom 12y ago

Also a Linux screenshot: https://jabbrlive.blob.core.windows.net/jabbr-uploads/clipboard_b875.png https://jabbrlive.blob.core.windows.net/jabbr-uploads/clipbo...

rcarmo 12y ago

Awesome. I started looking at vNext last week, and stopped short of trying it then due to lack of a Windows machine (which I've set up in the meantime). This will make it a lot easier to experiment with.

rcarmo 12y ago

rbanffy 12y ago

Microsoft sponsoring a cross-platform application environment does not make much sense. Why would they do something that is bad for them in the long run? Why would it make sense for them to release it under an open-source license? Can anyone imagine a compelling business case for this? I am not used to corporations being overly generous.

marcosdumay 12y ago
Maybe they realized that Windows is sinking[1] and if they don't untangle the company from it, the entire Microsoft will sink with it. [1] Slowly, but inexorably. Anyway, this is server side. The only similar act on the client side I can rmember is making Office run on Android.
- rbanffy 12y ago
  Maybe, but where is their revenue model? They can't monetize it directly like they do Windows after open sourcing it and, if it succeeds, it'll end up taking market share away from Windows with nothing in return. We are still missing something.
  - sorenbs 12y ago
    MS has all the components, but still lot's of developers view the ms stack as boring corporate stuff. Azure has the potential to generate more revenue than the windows line in a few years. For that to happen they need a lot of developers on Azure, and making visual studio + .net super awesome seems like a good way to do it.
- mistermann 12y ago
  "Sinking" http://seekingalpha.com/article/1970941-microsoft-earnings-hardware-sales-bolster-revenues http://seekingalpha.com/article/1970941-microsoft-earnings-h... Microsoft's Windows Server division is the second largest business unit making up over 20% of its total value. It is also one of the fastest growing divisions of Microsoft. During Q2 FY14, revenue from the commercial segment, which includes servers, commercial office licensing and cloud platform, grew 10% to $12.66 billion driven by higher SQL server sales and adoption of the cloud based Azure platform. Many customers of Microsoft depend on SQL servers for mission critical and business intelligence needs, specifically in the big data analytics domain. As a result, Microsoft's SQL server revenue grew by 11%, outpacing the server market. Additionally, its Azure cloud offering clocked in triple digit growth in revenues. We're encouraged by the continual growth that this division posted, and it is becoming an important driver for Microsoft's value.

MichaelGG 12y ago

> This is your ASP.NET vNext project file .. and not an angle bracket to be seen ! And no comments allowed, either! Changing formats to be hip is fun!

MartinCron 12y ago
Maybe it is possible to put comments in .csproj files, but that isn't exactly a common use case.
- DougWebb 12y ago
  It's definitely not a common use case, because VS reformats the csproj files whenever it modifies them. Basically, when you make a change within VS that affects the csproj file, the entire file is pulled in through an XML parser into a DOM representation, modified in-memory, then serialized back out to XML. Frankly, I'm surprised comments are retained at all.
  - ygra 12y ago
    XML comments are part of the DOM and are retained, usually. And Visual Studio has become quite good at not clobbering things it does not modify itself. The project files are still normal MSBuild projects, so editing them by hand to add targets of other customisations isn't exactly uncommon.
- MichaelGG 12y ago
  Except the apparent point of using JSON is to make it more human friendly. Otherwise, changing the format is quite pointless and not much of a feature to talk about.
phillijw 12y ago
Can't you use /* ... */ as comment?
_random_ 12y ago
It's a correct observation. Why switch from an extensible mark-up format to a non-extensible data format?

tphan 12y ago

Disappointing article. A console application isn't ASP.NET.

davidfowl 12y ago
Here's a web application https://github.com/davidfowl/HelloWorldVNext https://github.com/davidfowl/HelloWorldVNext
- tphan 12y ago
  Thanks.
xeroxmalf 12y ago
Good thing it says ASP.NET vNext then.

itsboring 12y ago

I was reading that with a big smile on my face. They're doing a lot of stuff I've been wanting for a while, especially the web server agnosticism. My new LAMP stack: Linux, ASP.NET, Mono, PostgreSQL.

deleted 12y ago
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anilmujagic 12y ago
"My new LAMP stack: Linux, ASP.NET, Mono, PostgreSQL." Good one :)
- icantthinkofone 12y ago
  It made me laugh, too.

soAsian 12y ago

How about asp.net webforms? There are still a lot of projects tie up in webforms and not cost effective to rewrite it in mvc. It seem like vNext on Os X and Linux is only for MVC.

jqm 12y ago

Why exactly would I want this? What benefits does it provide? How is developing in a proprietary ecosystem...even if they do release it "for Linux" any better than developing in something like Python or Ruby? Serious question. If there are real benefits I would love to know about them.

jqm 12y ago
So, the question is unanswered but someone took the time to express their displeasure that it was asked... Very telling. And I think I now have my answer.
hpaavola 12y ago
Languages, libraries, performance, ...
jongalloway2 12y ago
It's too bad you were downvoted, this is a good question. First, I'd question why you'd still think of it as a proprietary ecosystem. It's an open source (Apache 2), cross platform framework. It's not even directly released by Microsoft, it's released under MS Open Tech, which is a foundation just focused on open source development. And it's not just "throw it over the wall open source", it's an open source project that's set up for and encouraging contributions. Even the compiler it runs on is open source, also under Apache 2 (http://roslyn.codeplex.com/license http://roslyn.codeplex.com/license). As for the "why" bit, here are some reasons: - If you're developing on Windows, Visual Studio is a pretty good web editor. That includes Visual Express for Web (free) with the Web Essentials extension (also free, works on Express). You can develop on Windows (inc. a VM) and deploy anywhere. - C# really is a pretty nice language. It's static and compiled, but has support for some dynamic features. Linq is really useful. Generics work well. The language spec is under an open standard. Everyone has their own preferences on languages, but it's pretty nice. - As a web framework running compiled assemblies, it can run pretty fast. - If you're interoperating with .NET and/or Mono, of course this is pretty useful. - C# and .NET are actually really good for cross-platform development (e.g. Xamarin hits ios, android, wp, maybe even tizen soon). For example, C# runs better on my Mac than Ruby does on my Windows machines. - If you find that ASP.NET MVC 6 (the version vNext will run, including MVC / Web API / SignalR) works for you but you don't like Windows, you could dev on Mac / *nix and publish to Azure / Mono / whatever.

colinramsay 12y ago

There's a few code samples here: https://github.com/aspnet/Home https://github.com/aspnet/Home For some reason I can't get the web ones to work (this is on OSX), I see: System.DllNotFoundException: httpapi.dll

bkeroack 12y ago

This would be great news, except I trust Mono even less than I trust IIS. At least IIS is fast, even if it breaks in bizarre and opaque ways.