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A few fun ways this also looks like turn-of-the-century FPS world: -We could see an FPS rise in eSports prominence again -Mods built on top of one game create

A few fun ways this also looks like turn-of-the-century FPS world: -We could see an FPS rise in eSports prominence again -Mods built on top of one game create tons of variety accessible to one player base -Mod developers have an easy way to become recognized game developers Also, not related to the old Quake / UT / Half-Life scenes, but the marketplace for assets will be on top of a game that isn't Team Fortress 2, so there's much more creative latitude once mods are released (disclaimer: I love TF2).

nadagast 12y ago
I'd love to see FPS rise in eSports again. Here's to hoping this new game has some advanced movement techniques (bhop!).
neohaven 12y ago
I love the movement mechanics of previous UT games, between always-run, dodging (doubletap a direction), double-jumping, and walljumping (jumptowards a wall, doubletap opposite direction), it was a rather entertaining game to play. Add to that the completely crazy weapons by today's FPS standards, and you have something I haven't seen in a long while. I wish it would come back. If it has that, that game has a player.
- blakerson 12y ago
  I bet it will. The open-source competitive shooters I can think of (Warsaw, Quake3's Challenge Pro Mode mod [in the sense that it was designed by community]) all had interesting and complex movement schemes. And since we now have Github, all that awesomeness is just a pull request away...
  - Crito 12y ago
    There was even a Quake mod called "Defrag" which "de-fragged" the game (removed the killing), making it soley focused on movement. Really neat stuff; hard as hell but really rewarding when you start to get the hang of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYBs_lslyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYBs_lslyuY
    - zobzu 12y ago
      defrag is "just maps", the physics were essentially CQ3 (standard Q3 really) or CPM (challenge pro mode) ie most of the amazing stuff is done with something close to original q3 physics (1999 and earlier for beta players) Turns out q3 physics and netcode are still among the best there is today for FPS with low player count
    - ashashwat 12y ago
      I tried and gave up. Fragging is easier than controlling the motions. I was not even able to master strafing in-spite of seeing lot of youtube videos.
      - mhitza 12y ago
        Depends of the tutorials you followed. I've started with double beat strafe jumps (where you do 2 jumps before the direction change), then switched to single beat and almost got halfbeat working. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-FDOhsUNrU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-FDOhsUNrU (Warning very loud)
    - Cthulhu_ 12y ago
      Similarly, 'surf' maps for Unreal Tournament (if I recall correctly), which was capture the flag without the shooting, requiring players to run an obstacle course and abuse the game physics; dodging sideways up a steep ramp caused people to launch in the air, that kinda thing.
    - mhitza 12y ago
      Racesow (Warsow mod) did the same thing. Except in the movement repertoire you also had wall jumps and dashes. Which meant you could keep your speed even when doing 360 degree turns.
- Argorak 12y ago
  The interesting thing about the weapons was that most were rather slow-moving and projectile speeds were very important. So motion prediction was far more important than for modern shooters. Shooting someone out of the air with a rocket launcher was a feat.
  - wlesieutre 12y ago
    Shock combos were an especially fun one. You had to predict where someone would be and get a shock ball (probably the slowest projectile in the game) near them, then shoot the ball out of the air with a scan-hit beam to blow it up. I'm really excited to see what they're doing here.
    - Argorak 12y ago
      Right. My favourite stunt with the shock rifle was shooting a ball straight or down, then jumping over an obstacle and then hitting the ball to kill another player. Very impressive to look at, but actually doable with a bit of training.
      - jmccune 12y ago
        I hope they include the impact-hammer + teleporter puck combo. It was SO FUN blasting that puck across the map then teleporting to it, not to mention trying to defend against such a move with the shock combo.
        hoi 12y ago
        I loved that move, teleport behind someone and then shock ball them whilst they try to figure out where you are whilst getting the hell out of the way since they;re anticipating you attacking them.
  - rurounijones 12y ago
    One reason I loved the original Tribes game where the main weapons were slow moving like the spinfusor and grenade launchers. That, coupled with the high mobility (Jetpacks!) of the players lead to real duels that could last a while.
- Qantourisc 12y ago
  Xonotic also fits the bill quite well.
TheCapn 12y ago
>We could see an FPS rise in eSports prominence again Arguably CS:GO has been picking up steam lately hitting the #2 spot on Twitch.tv fairly constantly and spiking greatly during big tournaments. This announcement couldn't have come at a better time as FPS is once again gaining competitive traction.
- fokasu 12y ago
  And on top of that CoD is going to be at the xgames. Not sure how that will be seen but eSports is getting more and more recognition
- sjtrny 12y ago
  CS:GO is definitely the biggest FPS in eSport right now. Unlike CoD and Halo, the player base has been steadily increasing.
- mkal_tsr 12y ago
  Maybe this will finally push Valve to upgrade to 128 tick competitive servers if they wish to grow CS:GO quicker. Think about it ... we're getting open-source game engines with streaming and competitive scenes reigniting, this is awesome.
sleepybrett 12y ago
Halo(still) and Call of Duty have huge eSports prominence
- cockasaurus 12y ago
  kill yourself
- corin_ 12y ago
  I wouldn't call Halo 'huge', and it's extremely US-based, CoD on the other hand is doing pretty well (in terms of esports) outside America as well.
YourCupOTea 12y ago
We are already seeing an FPS rise in eSports again. CS:GO has held 2 $250,000 prize pool tournaments in the last 6 months. It's the second most played game on steam with daily peaks over 150,000 players.

nadagast 12y ago

I'd love to see FPS rise in eSports again. Here's to hoping this new game has some advanced movement techniques (bhop!).

neohaven 12y ago

I love the movement mechanics of previous UT games, between always-run, dodging (doubletap a direction), double-jumping, and walljumping (jumptowards a wall, doubletap opposite direction), it was a rather entertaining game to play. Add to that the completely crazy weapons by today's FPS standards, and you have something I haven't seen in a long while. I wish it would come back. If it has that, that game has a player.

blakerson 12y ago
I bet it will. The open-source competitive shooters I can think of (Warsaw, Quake3's Challenge Pro Mode mod [in the sense that it was designed by community]) all had interesting and complex movement schemes. And since we now have Github, all that awesomeness is just a pull request away...
- Crito 12y ago
  There was even a Quake mod called "Defrag" which "de-fragged" the game (removed the killing), making it soley focused on movement. Really neat stuff; hard as hell but really rewarding when you start to get the hang of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYBs_lslyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYBs_lslyuY
  - zobzu 12y ago
    defrag is "just maps", the physics were essentially CQ3 (standard Q3 really) or CPM (challenge pro mode) ie most of the amazing stuff is done with something close to original q3 physics (1999 and earlier for beta players) Turns out q3 physics and netcode are still among the best there is today for FPS with low player count
  - ashashwat 12y ago
    I tried and gave up. Fragging is easier than controlling the motions. I was not even able to master strafing in-spite of seeing lot of youtube videos.
    - mhitza 12y ago
      Depends of the tutorials you followed. I've started with double beat strafe jumps (where you do 2 jumps before the direction change), then switched to single beat and almost got halfbeat working. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-FDOhsUNrU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-FDOhsUNrU (Warning very loud)
  - Cthulhu_ 12y ago
    Similarly, 'surf' maps for Unreal Tournament (if I recall correctly), which was capture the flag without the shooting, requiring players to run an obstacle course and abuse the game physics; dodging sideways up a steep ramp caused people to launch in the air, that kinda thing.
  - mhitza 12y ago
    Racesow (Warsow mod) did the same thing. Except in the movement repertoire you also had wall jumps and dashes. Which meant you could keep your speed even when doing 360 degree turns.
Argorak 12y ago
The interesting thing about the weapons was that most were rather slow-moving and projectile speeds were very important. So motion prediction was far more important than for modern shooters. Shooting someone out of the air with a rocket launcher was a feat.
- wlesieutre 12y ago
  Shock combos were an especially fun one. You had to predict where someone would be and get a shock ball (probably the slowest projectile in the game) near them, then shoot the ball out of the air with a scan-hit beam to blow it up. I'm really excited to see what they're doing here.
  - Argorak 12y ago
    Right. My favourite stunt with the shock rifle was shooting a ball straight or down, then jumping over an obstacle and then hitting the ball to kill another player. Very impressive to look at, but actually doable with a bit of training.
    - jmccune 12y ago
      I hope they include the impact-hammer + teleporter puck combo. It was SO FUN blasting that puck across the map then teleporting to it, not to mention trying to defend against such a move with the shock combo.
      - hoi 12y ago
        I loved that move, teleport behind someone and then shock ball them whilst they try to figure out where you are whilst getting the hell out of the way since they;re anticipating you attacking them.
- rurounijones 12y ago
  One reason I loved the original Tribes game where the main weapons were slow moving like the spinfusor and grenade launchers. That, coupled with the high mobility (Jetpacks!) of the players lead to real duels that could last a while.
Qantourisc 12y ago
Xonotic also fits the bill quite well.

TheCapn 12y ago

>We could see an FPS rise in eSports prominence again Arguably CS:GO has been picking up steam lately hitting the #2 spot on Twitch.tv fairly constantly and spiking greatly during big tournaments. This announcement couldn't have come at a better time as FPS is once again gaining competitive traction.

fokasu 12y ago
And on top of that CoD is going to be at the xgames. Not sure how that will be seen but eSports is getting more and more recognition
sjtrny 12y ago
CS:GO is definitely the biggest FPS in eSport right now. Unlike CoD and Halo, the player base has been steadily increasing.
mkal_tsr 12y ago
Maybe this will finally push Valve to upgrade to 128 tick competitive servers if they wish to grow CS:GO quicker. Think about it ... we're getting open-source game engines with streaming and competitive scenes reigniting, this is awesome.

sleepybrett 12y ago

Halo(still) and Call of Duty have huge eSports prominence

cockasaurus 12y ago
kill yourself
corin_ 12y ago
I wouldn't call Halo 'huge', and it's extremely US-based, CoD on the other hand is doing pretty well (in terms of esports) outside America as well.

YourCupOTea 12y ago

We are already seeing an FPS rise in eSports again. CS:GO has held 2 $250,000 prize pool tournaments in the last 6 months. It's the second most played game on steam with daily peaks over 150,000 players.