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Hangout with Martin Fowler, Kent Beck, and DHH: May 9th, 11am ET

44 points by arunagarwal 12y ago

tieTYT 12y ago
Is this going to be recorded so I can watch it later?
- arunagarwal 12y ago
  Yes you can watch here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9quxZsLcfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9quxZsLcfo
tdicola 12y ago
This looks interesting, but am I looking at Google Plus correctly and really not seeing an 'Add to calendar' option to put this event on my gmail calendar? I could have sworn Google was really good about making it easy to put stuff on their calendar. Yeesh.
- sleazebreeze 12y ago
  There's a big "are you going to watch?" pane underneath the main header with Yes, Maybe or No options. That seems to do the trick to add it to my calendar.
  - tdicola 12y ago
    Odd--what if I don't want to tell the world that I'm attending?
    - Bootvis 12y ago
      I think that's a fair point. Generally, I like to put things on _my_ calendar and _my_ calendar only.
- thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
  Just say you are attending and it automatically adds it to your calendar.
  - deleted 12y ago
    [deleted]
jacobkg 12y ago
Some Background: The RailsConf keynote that started it all: http://www.confreaks.com/videos/3315-railsconf-keynote-writing-software http://www.confreaks.com/videos/3315-railsconf-keynote-writi... David's thoughts in blog post form: http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/2014/tdd-is-dead-long-live-testing.html http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/2014/tdd-is-dead-long-liv... A response from Kent Beck https://www.facebook.com/notes/kent-beck/rip-tdd/750840194948847 https://www.facebook.com/notes/kent-beck/rip-tdd/75084019494... This should be a great discussion.
edwinnathaniel 12y ago
We have: Kent Beck who "doesn't care any more what people practice or do w.r.t to TDD" because he uses it as he sees the needs/fits. Martin Fowler who tries to further his catalogue by incorporating newer patterns/methodologies/techniques (REST, NoSQL, NodeJS, MicroServices) that potentially sees "TDD" as "been there, catalogued that, time to see other patterns" and last but not least, DHH, who just recently came out to the public and made an announcement that "I don't do TDD anymore!". Missing from the group: Uncle Bob, someone who will potentially argue that TDD is useful. Come on guys! We want Uncle Bob there! Let's make this happen.
- 6d65 12y ago
  He's not your uncle. And who the hell they think they are? I mean, I know Fowler the uml guy, but the rest, I think that this is a joke.
  - xionon 12y ago
    "Uncle Bob" goes by Uncle Bob. It's a nickname. He likes it. He's also pretty well respected in the software development world. Kent Beck invented TDD, I think he's pretty qualified. DHH is the one who started the recent discussion about the value of TDD; in his opinion, it doesn't have any. He's the reason that this conversation is even happening.
    - 6d65 12y ago
      I know who Robert Martin is, and writing tests before implementing it was described I think back in the 60's, though I don't want to disrespect Kent, DHH is trying really hard to make himself a name by sensational titles. Calling yourself as an uncle for unknown people is a dick move though, very pretentious. Just to sum it up, this whole new pseudohollywars is just Random noise, just like my comment.
      - unclebobmartin 12y ago
        Just to be clear, the name "Uncle Bob" was given to me by a coworker in 1989. It was in my email and uunet signature for years. (There are kids out there who don't know what uunet was). The name stuck, and I eventually adopted it as a brand.
jerf 12y ago
Metacomment: Thanks to Thoughtworks (no affiliation) for putting this together, and let's do this more often when this sort of discussion breaks out, it's a fantastic idea. Blog missives have their place in the world, but real debate does too.
KVFinn 12y ago
Maybe we can have a TDD person with from the rails community if you do another hangout? I have a feeling you'll end up talking past each other because you work on different kinds of things. Perhaps https://twitter.com/garybernhardt https://twitter.com/garybernhardt His blog response to DHH's keynote: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/blog/2014/tdd-straw-men-and-rhetoric https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/blog/2014/tdd-straw-men-a...
walkon 12y ago
This post has dropped from the front page of HN to the 3rd in about 15 minutes? I don't get HN at all.

44 points by arunagarwal 12y ago

tieTYT 12y ago

Is this going to be recorded so I can watch it later?

arunagarwal 12y ago
Yes you can watch here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9quxZsLcfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9quxZsLcfo

tdicola 12y ago

This looks interesting, but am I looking at Google Plus correctly and really not seeing an 'Add to calendar' option to put this event on my gmail calendar? I could have sworn Google was really good about making it easy to put stuff on their calendar. Yeesh.

sleazebreeze 12y ago
There's a big "are you going to watch?" pane underneath the main header with Yes, Maybe or No options. That seems to do the trick to add it to my calendar.
- tdicola 12y ago
  Odd--what if I don't want to tell the world that I'm attending?
  - Bootvis 12y ago
    I think that's a fair point. Generally, I like to put things on _my_ calendar and _my_ calendar only.
thomasfromcdnjs 12y ago
Just say you are attending and it automatically adds it to your calendar.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]

jacobkg 12y ago

Some Background: The RailsConf keynote that started it all: http://www.confreaks.com/videos/3315-railsconf-keynote-writing-software http://www.confreaks.com/videos/3315-railsconf-keynote-writi... David's thoughts in blog post form: http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/2014/tdd-is-dead-long-live-testing.html http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/2014/tdd-is-dead-long-liv... A response from Kent Beck https://www.facebook.com/notes/kent-beck/rip-tdd/750840194948847 https://www.facebook.com/notes/kent-beck/rip-tdd/75084019494... This should be a great discussion.

edwinnathaniel 12y ago

We have: Kent Beck who "doesn't care any more what people practice or do w.r.t to TDD" because he uses it as he sees the needs/fits. Martin Fowler who tries to further his catalogue by incorporating newer patterns/methodologies/techniques (REST, NoSQL, NodeJS, MicroServices) that potentially sees "TDD" as "been there, catalogued that, time to see other patterns" and last but not least, DHH, who just recently came out to the public and made an announcement that "I don't do TDD anymore!". Missing from the group: Uncle Bob, someone who will potentially argue that TDD is useful. Come on guys! We want Uncle Bob there! Let's make this happen.

6d65 12y ago
He's not your uncle. And who the hell they think they are? I mean, I know Fowler the uml guy, but the rest, I think that this is a joke.
- xionon 12y ago
  "Uncle Bob" goes by Uncle Bob. It's a nickname. He likes it. He's also pretty well respected in the software development world. Kent Beck invented TDD, I think he's pretty qualified. DHH is the one who started the recent discussion about the value of TDD; in his opinion, it doesn't have any. He's the reason that this conversation is even happening.
  - 6d65 12y ago
    I know who Robert Martin is, and writing tests before implementing it was described I think back in the 60's, though I don't want to disrespect Kent, DHH is trying really hard to make himself a name by sensational titles. Calling yourself as an uncle for unknown people is a dick move though, very pretentious. Just to sum it up, this whole new pseudohollywars is just Random noise, just like my comment.
    - unclebobmartin 12y ago
      Just to be clear, the name "Uncle Bob" was given to me by a coworker in 1989. It was in my email and uunet signature for years. (There are kids out there who don't know what uunet was). The name stuck, and I eventually adopted it as a brand.

jerf 12y ago

Metacomment: Thanks to Thoughtworks (no affiliation) for putting this together, and let's do this more often when this sort of discussion breaks out, it's a fantastic idea. Blog missives have their place in the world, but real debate does too.

KVFinn 12y ago

Maybe we can have a TDD person with from the rails community if you do another hangout? I have a feeling you'll end up talking past each other because you work on different kinds of things. Perhaps https://twitter.com/garybernhardt https://twitter.com/garybernhardt His blog response to DHH's keynote: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/blog/2014/tdd-straw-men-and-rhetoric https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/blog/2014/tdd-straw-men-a...

walkon 12y ago

This post has dropped from the front page of HN to the 3rd in about 15 minutes? I don't get HN at all.