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Seth Roberts has died
- geuis 12y agoFor those of us who don't know who Seth Roberts is, who is Seth Roberts?
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- influx 12y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Roberts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Roberts He was well known for self experimentation and writing the book, "The Shangri-La Diet".
- geuis 12y agoThanks. I have heard of that in passing.
- Sovietaced 12y agoSounds like a broscientist.
- zorbo 12y agoForgive me, but I'm having trouble understanding why his death is significant for a crowd such as Hacker news? I didn't know about him, and I don't mean to talk ill of the dead, but from a quick google it would seem he's mostly just a dietary quack? Even if he wasn't a quack, I still don't really get his relevance.
- pbreit 12y agoIt sounds to me like he was a bit of a food hacker. Probably a slight stretch but I can see the relevance.
- zorbo 12y agoThat could be it. His blog is also full of all kinds of harmful medical advice not backed by any kind of knowledge of the subjects much less any kind of science. Generally not the kind of of crowd hacker news "associates" with.
- prawn 12y agoI don't know - there seem to be a fair number of people on HN very interested in these sorts of things going by the support for Soylent and so on.
- blueskin_ 12y agoAs I understand it, it's as that is based on real research and not what someone feels it should be. Haven't tried it myself, but open to it at some point. Seth Roberts' 'diet' seems to be based on eating things with and without a flavour at different times; a bit of a WTF to say the least.
- VLM 12y ago"a bit of a WTF to say the least." Perhaps I can help clarify it a bit. Note that I liked the guy and his attitude (although I never met him) but have never embraced his research, may as well get biases out of the way. As a psych prof he became very interested in WHY people get hungry. If you can control when and what you desire to eat, then you can eat whatever you desire whenever you want, yet you can trivially control your nutrition / weight. Needless to say the hair shirt crowd and the neo puritan crowd see this as a direct attack against their core beliefs, no improvement should be possible, should be allowed, should even be non sin ful to think about, without agonizing suffering. Who is being rationally scientific and who is suffering from a mental illness impairing their day to day lifestyle is an interesting question where I have an intense bias. Personally via experience I agree with most of his general theories although I disagree or have no opinion WRT some of his techniques and choices. For example I have a very low refined carb low grain low sugar diet, and the idea of eating a sickeningly sweet snickers bar now is kinda nauseous, so although I could trivially afford, obtain, and eat an entire box of snickers bars, there's no way I'd do it other than a survival situation, although as a young-ish adult I gobbled those things up with predictable results. Seth's theories about how to get to that kind of ... mental state or whatever ... might sound a little weird. But they worked for him, and seem appropriate for a psych professor to professionally comment on, so he's probably completely correct, however weird it may sound. A psych prof commenting on psychological state (at least WRT appetite) probably has more wisdom than any CS/IT guy on HN commenting on a psych topic... The controversy is all in the application. His theory seems sound, now its all people freaking out about how it can be (mis)applied. That's where all the screaming is happening, no one at a professional level seems to disparage his actual theoretical psych work. Its like debating the morals and ethics of Maxwells equations in a debate about net neutrality. Maxwell's probably right; doesn't imply much one way or another about the morality of the position purchased for the FCC. Although both topics are certainly in the same field of human endeavor.
- jordanb 12y agoI guess a lot of people around here subscribe to various "life extension" diet regimes. There are many related posts in any case. I think the OP may be a critic of Mr. Robert's regime posting in a moment of schadenfreude.
- yiedyie 12y agoNot according to this tweet: https://twitter.com/martharotter/status/460658234307530752 https://twitter.com/martharotter/status/460658234307530752
- qeorge 12y agoI flagged your comment because it contains an ad hominem attack on the submitter.
- jnbiche 12y agoI think it's very bad form to hypothesize on the OP's motives, when it's entirely possible s/he is just someone who lost a friend.
- 001sky 12y agoThere are some odd comments on his blog. See, eg: I know this is a rough time, but I’d like to ask: if you don’t already know for certain, please preserve any evidence, digital and physical, that might indicate why he died. If it was the result of one of his self-experiments, then I think he would want us to know.
- EpicEng 12y agoNot really that odd considering his line of work. I'm sure a number of people have replicated his experiments on themselves and are now understandably concerned.
- facepalm 12y agoSelf experimentation is very much in spirit with Hacker News. I think he was a great inspiration.
- marincounty 12y agoIf you spend a fair amount of time sitting in front of these computers; you should take a slight interest in nutrition. Or, I guess you strap your ipad to your mountian bike when coding? I myself don't feel sitting in front of a computer is healthy. I do try to limit my caloric intake.
- coldtea 12y agoWhat does this has to do with cooky dietary ideas?
- theorique 12y agoHe was a body hacker / life hacker.
- whiddershins 12y agoI down voted your comment because it is my understanding the only requirement for a post on hacker news is that it is deeply interesting. The idea that the poster child for quantified self, a movement intent on maximizing the application of current scientific knowledge for health and self improvement, died at 60, is deeply interesting to me.
- DanBC 12y ago"Dietary quack" is a reasonably sizable chunk of HN audience.
- abruzzi 12y agoInventor of the "Shanghai-la" diet, among other things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Roberts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Roberts
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- thebooktocome 12y agoShanghai is a different place than Shangri-La. For starters, the former exists.
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- xiaoma 12y agoHe was basically "the quantified self guy". He's done all kinds of crazy experiments on himself that he called "n=1 studies". In fact, the first thing I wondered when I saw this headline is whether or not it was related to some new experiment he was doing on himself. Like the other commenters here, I will miss Seth's writing. He shared so much and influenced so many others. He had both the curiosity and the courage to try crazy things and shared what he learned with the world. RIP, Seth.
- brohee 12y agoIn fact, the first thing I wondered when I saw this headline is whether or not it was related to some new experiment he was doing on himself. Well, there are "rumors" of links between eating too much fat and cardiovascular diseases, and he was abusing butter as of late...
- msandford 12y agoAnd there are also rumors of no links whatsoever: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18615352 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18615352
- brohee 12y agoWell, the overwhelming majorities of publications see a link, the fact that some see none IMHO shows the limited usefulness of those epidemiological studies way too many parameters to be close to a controlled experience... The author of that paper your linked, Uffe Ravnskov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uffe_Ravnskov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uffe_Ravnskov) seems to be part of a small minority holding this belief.
- hudibras 12y agoThis is a good but short summary of some of Seth's projects, from an old blog post of his. http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/08/22/why-self-track-the-possibility-of-hard-to-explain-change/ http://blog.sethroberts.net/2012/08/22/why-self-track-the-po...
- moonfern 12y agoIf you're interested in the link between ADHD and food. There's evidence ( sofar all research confirms this and most experiments included double blind tests) that food triggers ADHD. http://peer.ccsd.cnrs.fr/docs/00/47/80/60/PDF/PEER_stage2_10.1007%252Fs00787-008-0695-7.pdf http://peer.ccsd.cnrs.fr/docs/00/47/80/60/PDF/PEER_stage2_10... All those experiments start with a very restricted diet and then they start adding apples, pork.... The restricted diet consists of what is considered safe food. ( A pear for example) Double blind means that nor the participants nor the observers know which of the two groups follows the highly restricted diet. The participants are young children.
- gus_massa 12y agoThe article you cite has not a double blind experiment: > The parents and teachers who filled in the questionnaires could not be blinded as they had to supervise the food intake of the child and knew whether the child was following an elimination diet. Do you have a reference of a similar article with a double blind test? Another question: Pears, apples and quinces are very related plants. Why pears are safe and apple not? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae
- moonfern 12y agoThis article gives an overview: http://www.adhdenvoeding.nl/cms/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ADHD-in-Practice-download-24.pdf http://www.adhdenvoeding.nl/cms/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/A... In the first table, second column (RCTtype) everything starting with DB is a double blind trial. (5 in total) Pears/Apples? It has something to do with the hypo-allergenic qualities of pears, rice, turkey and most vegetables. But I'm not a food scientist.
- judk 12y agoAnd you won't tell us which foods are evil?
- colechristensen 12y agoOne can't help but wonder if a man so dedicated to self-experimentation was a victim of his own studies. Beware extremes.
- jpgvm 12y agoThis is incredibly sad. Such a curious and bright mind.
- qwerty_asdf 12y agoAccording to a Scientific American article [1], he was aged 54 in early 2008, so that puts him at roughly 60 years old, depending on his precise date of birth... [1] http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=self-experimenter-free-from-insomnia http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=self-experimenter-free-f...
- ekianjo 12y agoAny idea why his year of birth does not seem to be publicly known ?
- judk 12y agoBecause no one posted that trivial detail, and he didn't share it on Facebook?
- dm2 12y agoAccording to the link below he was 52 in 2005. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/magazine/11FREAK.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/magazine/11FREAK.html?page...
- kayoone 12y agoTragic and shows that no matter how healthy your lifestyle, life can still end in unexpected ways much too early.
- greenmountin 12y agoI can't tell if you're being serious or not, so I will note for other readers that there is a lot of irony in saying this about Seth. His most public experiments were the ingestion of large quantities of olive oil for appetite control and daily butter consumption to aid sleep. A more appropriate sentiment might be to salute Seth for his radical health experiments, and the great risks he assumed in performing them on himself.
- kayoone 12y agomy bad, i just glanced over his page and info and figured he was a proponent of a healthy lifestyle.
- judk 12y agoHe was, but he had no idea what is was, and tried to discover a new kind of healthy lifestyle.
- VLM 12y ago"but he had no idea what is was" In that, he was like us all. Unlike many of us, he was open minded and brave enough to experiment. Report of the death of a genuinely good scientist, is a cruddy way to start a day. We should have a site rule that this kind of thing is only permissible after 5pm or something.
- msandford 12y agoThe science is not overwhelming that fat is what kills you. The lipid hypothesis may not be correct. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18615352 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18615352
- bby 12y agoFor a second I thought this was someone affiliated with Soylent...
- pella 12y agoSeth Roberts: "The unreasonable effectiveness of my self-experimentation" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2964443/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2964443/ Seth Roberts: "The Growth of Personal Science: Implications for Statistics" (pdf) http://media.sethroberts.net/blog/pdf/2012-09-24-The-Growth-of-Personal-Science-Implications-For-Statistics.pdf http://media.sethroberts.net/blog/pdf/2012-09-24-The-Growth-...
- ElmerPaldritch 12y agoSeth Roberts wasn't a hacker, but he was friends with Aaron Swartz: http://blog.sethroberts.net/2011/07/22/google-yes-wikipedia-yes-aaron-swartz-no/ http://blog.sethroberts.net/2011/07/22/google-yes-wikipedia-... Swartz also wrote about Roberts' Shangri-La Diet on his blog, claiming that through it "losing weight has to be one of the easiest things I’ve ever done": http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/losingweight http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/losingweight
- hackaflocka 12y agoSo that's at least N=2, the number of people on the Shangri La diet who have died prematurely. I think Seth Roberts was the very definition of a hacker. Not computer hacker. Hacker. I started the diet about 5 weeks ago. The oil drinking helped to make my cravings tolerable. I quit after 2 weeks because I didn't seem to need the oil any more. My cravings have been under control since without the oil. (I've lost about 3 inches of waist. I've not measured my weight because I don't care about that. I'm feeling lighter and better than I have in about 4 years.) I think there's value to his theory of set-points, and to the use of unflavored oil as something that breaks the brain's flavor-calorie connection. Nevertheless, I'd be severely concerned by this news if I were still on the diet, or if I were on the diet long-term.
- atom-morgan 12y ago> So that's at least N=2, the number of people on the Shangri La diet who have died prematurely. I won't say that diet can't lead to suicide but...it was suicide for Swartz, right?
- hackaflocka 12y agoCorrect. It was suicide. I didn't mean to imply he died because of the diet (just like we shouldn't infer that Seth died because of the diet). Apologies if it seemed I implied that. Nevertheless, it's possible that the diet messed with Aaron's brain. Personally, I've benefited from the diet. So I'm firmly in Seth's camp. But his death does raise questions.
- userbinator 12y agoI'd be really interested in knowing his cause of death. He has had extremely high fat intake due to all his experimentation: http://blog.sethroberts.net/2011/11/25/butter-and-arithmetic-how-much-butter/ http://blog.sethroberts.net/2011/11/25/butter-and-arithmetic...
- GigabyteCoin 12y agoCollapsing during strenuous activity is typically heart failure in my experience. It happens all the time up here in Canada when people shovel snow.
- maj0rhn 12y agoAlmost. I think you're confusing "heart failure" with "myocardial infarction." They are two different diseases. Collapse during exertion can happen in either one, but in Seth's case myocardial infarction is more likely, because people with heart failure generally don't go hiking (their exercise tolerance is too limited).
- GigabyteCoin 12y agoI may very well have confused the two as I am not an expert in the topic. Thank you for the clarification.
- gadders 12y agoFrom his last column, linked to above: "It was nice to know all that but I did wonder: Was I killing myself? Fortunately I could find out. A few months before my butter discovery, I had gotten a “heart scan” – a tomographic x-ray of my circulatory system. These scans are summarized by an Agatston score, a measure of calcification. Your Agatston score is the best predictor of whether you will have a heart attack in the next few years. After a year of eating a half stick of butter every day, I got a second heart scan. Remarkably, my Agatston score had improved (= less calcification), which is rare. Apparently my risk of a heart attack had gone down."
- gadders 12y agoSlightly offtopic - The logic around weight "set-points" seems plausible. Has anyone ever had any luck with the Shangri La Diet?
- kbutler 12y agoI lost about 20 lbs in 6 months doing it a few years ago. I did find that I had less inclination to snack or eat large meals. Then I increased cardio, stopped the diet (why? I don't recall), and proceeded to gain it back (while doing 3+ hours/week of cardio). I've tried various things with limited success and been meaning to try Shangri La again. Personal anecdote, post hoc ergo propter hoc, etc.
- gadders 12y agoThanks. Always good to hear a first hand account.
- jedberg 12y agoI lost maybe 20 pounds on the diet, but I wasn't religious about following it. I only did it on workdays because it was hard to carry the oil with me, so I just kept the bottle at work. It did however make me not hungry at all, I would barely eat throughout the day. It caused social problems though, because at night I still wouldn't be hungry, so I would just sit there at dinner while the family ate, and they would constantly be asking if I was ok. I stopped losing weight when I hit the set point, and stopped the diet a while after that. Eventually I gained the weight back. Interestingly, a few years later I started exercising regularly as a way to loose weight, and now I'm once again stuck at the same set point, which is about 15 pounds more than I'd like to be. Still trying to figure out how to lower that set point.
- chadgeidel 12y agoAnother anecdote - I tried it for a few weeks in 2007 and didn't have any of the suggested results. No appetite loss, and no weight loss. Tried both oil and sugar water.
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- me2i81 12y agoWhen I first met Seth he was an assistant professor of psychology at UC Berkeley. At the time he wrote all his code in APL, and couldn't figure out why anyone would use anything else. More recently he used R. To everyone calling him "not a hacker," he was hacking on code before a lot of you were born, though his code was mostly for his own purposes.
- gwern 12y agoI'm a decent R user, have done many self-experiments myself, and read & commented on Roberts's blog for years; I have no idea about APL, but I think you overestimate how much hacking on R code Roberts was able to do - he had a lot of trouble programming the reaction-time code for his Buttermind experiments and I don't recall him ever reporting more complex analyses than a linear model.
- ryanholiday 12y agoI was fortunate enough to publish Seth's final column this morning. http://betabeat.com/2014/04/seth-roberts-final-column-butter-makes-me-smarter/ http://betabeat.com/2014/04/seth-roberts-final-column-butter...
- maj0rhn 12y agoYou owe it to your readers to say that Seth's death is a warning to those who would flaunt conventional medical wisdom, as he clearly did. Anyone who stakes their life on a single published meta-analysis is unwise. Anyone who puts faith in a single assessor of cardiac risk, coronary CT, is unwise. It is ironic that the most apt assessment of Seth's life and death comes from a margarine commercial popular in the 1970s: "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature."
- drewblaisdell 12y ago> You owe it to your readers to say that Seth's death is a warning to those who would flaunt conventional medical wisdom, as he clearly did. Your comments in this thread are inappropriate and untimely. We do not yet know what caused Seth's collapse, and to jump to blame his experiments because you disagree with his methods is shortsighted.
- maj0rhn 12y agoThey are completely appropriate and very timely. "Collapsed while hiking." The only way that can happen is with an interruption in blood flow, which means a clot or a bleed. If you want, I can go into details, but with his butter and his omega habits, he was putting himself at risk for both, contradictory as that may sound.
- drewblaisdell 12y ago> "Collapsed while hiking." The only way that can happen is with an interruption in blood flow, which means a clot or a bleed. If you want, I can go into details, but with his butter and his omega habits, he was putting himself at risk for both, contradictory as that may sound. This is not science. You are drawing a conclusion to support your own preconceived medical notions based on incredibly limited evidence. The world does not need more armchair coroners, claiming they've determined causes of death in comment threads hours after someone has passed.
- pretz 12y agoLooks like the blog is down now, the linked to post says simply "Hello, this is Seth’s sister, Amy, with the sad news that Seth died on Saturday, April 26, 2014. He collapsed while hiking near his home in Berkeley, CA. He had asked that any memorial gifts be made to Amnesty International. Thank you to all for following and sharing Seth’s work." -- http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://blog.sethroberts.net/2014/04/27/seth/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://... I had the pleasure of knowing Seth personally and am deeply saddened to hear this news.
- chernavsky 12y agoSeth Roberts was an innovator, a teacher, an original thinker -- and he was an inspiration to me. I'm reminded of the Grateful Dead t-shirt that says, "They aren't the best at what they do. They're the only ones who do it". I've been following his Shangri-La diet for over four years now. Here's a page about my results, although it's a bit out of date: http://www.astrocyte-design.com/shangri-la-diet/ http://www.astrocyte-design.com/shangri-la-diet/
- maj0rhn 12y agoCollapsed while hiking. That is a cardiovascular death until proven otherwise. In a guy who ate a half a stick of butter every day ... quelle surprise. Listen to a cardiologist trying to talk Seth out of his course, at around 11 minutes in this 2008 video: http://vimeo.com/14281896 http://vimeo.com/14281896
- ellyagg 12y agoDr. Mel Siff was a famous scholar in sport science. He hosted a mailing list for a decade that everyone in the field subscribed to. He wrote a comprehensive text on the subject of sport science, Supertraining: http://www.amazon.com/Supertraining-Paperback-Yuri-Verkhoshansky/dp/8890403802 http://www.amazon.com/Supertraining-Paperback-Yuri-Verkhosha... A fitness buff throughout his life, so never straying far from a conventionally healthy diet in the first place, he famously doubled down on conventional wisdom and went on a low fat, vegetarian diet after suffering a heart attack at a young age. He did everything right, according to establishment wisdom. After a few years, at only 58, he died from a heart attack or stroke. Those of us who are skeptical of the diet-heart hypothesis were not surprised. The point is, it's very easy to support a side with your favorite anecdote. After decades of motivated science, the support for the diet-heart hypothesis is poor. Stephan Guyenet, a Ph.D. neurobiologist who studies obesity for a living, has a blog where he examines the evidence in detail. Here's a sample: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/07/diet-heart-hypothesis-stuck-at-starting.html http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/07/diet-heart-hyp... If you disagree, I'm sure Stephan would welcome you opening a dialogue with him in the comments on his blog. I'd be interested in that.
- lena 12y agoMel Siff died in 2003. "Established wisdom" at that time did not recommend a low-fat diet at all. He apparently wrote in one of his books that "nutritional scientists" recommend a diet of 10% fat, but that was never the recommendation of major health organizations or "conventional wisdom". The IOM recommended in 2002 20-35% of calories from fat, for example. In 1990 the recommendation was 30% or less. It seems that Mel Siff didn't follow a low fat vegetarian diet himself, based on his response to a critical article about him: (full response here: http://www.somasimple.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6558 http://www.somasimple.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6558 ) Interestingly, I cannot recall anyone by the name of Glassman ever staying in the Siff household or studying me in the laboratory to examine my eating habits, so I am intrigued to know where he found this inside information. The abbreviated tale of my cardiac rehab programme (http://www.worldfitness.org/drmelsiff.html http://www.worldfitness.org/drmelsiff.html) certainly said nothing about my specific breakdown of macronutrients in my diet. Had he read a little more carefully what I wrote, he would have noticed that my diet comprises something like 50-60% lipids (no fried foods, no transfats, no animal fat, plenty of fish) and under 30% carbohydrates (no refined carbs) and hasn't deviated much from that sort of balance for many years - I have never been a lover of high carb diets and have eaten little or no sugar (other than about 1-2 tablespoons of honey or a few servings of fruit a day). Where on earth does he obtain that nonsense from about my diet? So, he says there he ate about 50-60% fat. It's strange though that he says "no animal fat" but plenty of fish, which is of course animal fat.
- tsbardella2 12y agoHe will be in a book by Mary Roach soon..
- systematical 12y agoWhat happens to our blogs when we die? I've always thought about this and would like to keep my blog running even in death.
- Asparagirl 12y agoForget the part about chugging olive oil, how about that entire sub-category of his blog dedicated to the belief that pre-natal ultrasounds somehow cause autism? Or the hand-waving away the multiple studies that show that GFCF diets have no proven positive effect on autism symptoms? Or using the word "cure" offhand, based on an n=1 self-report of another diet? nope.gif I don't even care about the weight loss and cardiac shit, I think I've seen enough here.
- hackaflocka 12y agoIt's common for innovators to be mocked for their unconventional ideas.
- Asparagirl 12y agoIt's not "innovation" if it's just crap you spew on a blog. Double-blind peer-reviewed replicable studies or GTFO.
- hackaflocka 12y agoYep, those double blind peer-reviewed studies sure worked out for the Wright Brothers.
- PhasmaFelis 12y agoYou appear to be confused as to the difference between science and engineering.
- hackaflocka 12y agoYou seem to be confused about the point I'm making, about innovation through self-experimentation.
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- pella 12y agoNassim Nicholas Taleb: "We are considering a memorial a-la-Seth: A memorial one-day conference for all his friends and admirers, organized by his pals: John Durant, Tim Ferris, Tucker Max, Gary Taubes, and other members of that independent thinking clique who connected socially through Seth" https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10152176803438375&id=13012333374&stream_ref=1 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1015217680...
- Mz 12y agoRIP. I am sad to see this. I only recently learned of the site. I have done my own personal health experiments and had hoped to make contact and what not, but did not get around to it. I imagine a lot of people will say his experiments killed him or believe it even if they don't say it. I increasingly think there is no point to trying to share such info. If you die under a doctor's care, they say your condition did you in. If you die doing alternative stuff, they say the alternative stuff did you in. It seems pretty no win, in that regard. I never knew him, yet it feels like a personal loss for me.
- abecedarius 12y agoI regret not introducing you two. I didn't know either of you but I liked your webpages. His offered some ideas that helped with issues that had been impervious to doctors; yours didn't directly matter to me beyond the encouragement of seeing someone tackling their problems themselves, but that's something. Thanks for sharing them.
- Mz 12y agoThank you for replying. I am curious why you say mine didn't matter to you. I mean why think it was not relevant to you at all. I get a lot of feedback from people about all kinds of projects that my work is "too niche" and only serves a tiny population. I don't think that's true at all and I am trying to figure out what I am doing wrong.
- abecedarius 12y agoYour CF treatment didn't seem to have any direct bearing on my own health problems, but I was encouraged by the example. Possibly I was wrong and e.g. I should be more concerned about pH -- I've made this mistake before. (I ruled out a big effect of wheat on me because I hadn't given its removal enough of a chance.)
- jongraehl 12y agoAndrew Gelman posts a eulogy: http://andrewgelman.com/2014/04/30/seth-roberts/ http://andrewgelman.com/2014/04/30/seth-roberts/