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Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor
- chucknelson 13y agoI'm left wondering how long until we have mainstream video cards capable of driving games at these resolutions? Seems like we're a ways off...
- ekianjo 13y agoOh yes, we are way, way off at this stage. Check this recent benchmark from Phoronix (on Linux, at least, Windows gaming may be a little better in performance...): http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_uhd4k_gpus&num=4 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_uhd... With a Titan card from nVidia, maxing out at 20 FPS on Unigine, it's pretty depressing. We need to see a 2 to 3x fold performance increase in graphics cards for gaming to be realistic on 4k screens.
- adamors 13y agoBare in mind that the Titan is not the fastest GPU, the 290x and the 780ti are. And they're decent at 4K: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti_vs_radeon_r9_290x_4k_gaming/ http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti...
- ekianjo 13y agoDepends what you call decent. 15 FPS(minimum) at medium settings in Crysis3 is hardly what I'd call decent for the best graphics chip out there. I'd say it's playable at best, but far from being where you want to be.
- kllrnohj 13y agoNo, they both had 24 FPS minimum at medium settings. Minimum really isn't all that interesting, though. A single low spike won't ruin a gameplay session. The average FPS was 42, the low spikes were few and far between. It's absolutely playable - that's the entire basis for which the settings were picked btw.
- ekianjo 13y agoAverage FPS of 42 is OK, but in any serious FPS you'd want to have 60 FPS constantly at least. Any number lower than that and your shooting accuracy decreases greatly with the framerate. So, playbable, probably, but enjoyable, not so sure about that.
- kllrnohj 13y agoUnigine is not a game and it does not in any way reflect real world game performance. The Heaven benchmark has proven time and time again to be entirely irrelevant, due in no small part to it's insane usage of tessellation.
- kllrnohj 13y ago4K is totally doable with a single GPU if you drop to using medium/high instead of very high/ultra quality settings for even the most demanding of games: http://hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti_vs_radeon_r9_290x_4k_gaming/#.UpwlUMQcQVQ http://hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti_vs_... For the majority of games 4K won't pose an issue whatsoever with a modern high end video card.
- kayoone 13y agothat what GPU vendors have been waiting for, as with the current Full HD max resolutions there wasnt really a need to upgrade in the last few years.
- Amadou 13y agoWith the 39" Seiki 4K "tv" at less than $500 shipped, the $3,500 pricing level on the Dells seems excessive. I'm certain the Dells are better monitors, but are they 700% better? If Seiki revs their model line-up to include display-port, all these official monitors will really be in trouble. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DOPGO2G http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DOPGO2G
- jfb 13y agoThere's some price discrimination going on here, yes, but keep in mind that a) the PQ on that Seiki will be horrible; 2) at 39" it's way too large; and iii) as you note, it does not have a useful way to get a signal into it. The win with a ~200dpi 24" 4k will be OS X-style Retina upscaling, not simply screen real estate.
- Amadou 13y ago(A) Horrible is a vast overstatement. Unless you need calibrated color, it is fine. (2) Being too large is relative, my 30" 2560x1600 quickly became normal sized. For the additional pixels the additional inches of a 39" seems about right. (iii) HDMI at 30Hz is just fine for anything but gaming. I used to have an IBM T221 that also ran at 30Hz and it was no problem at all for text and video. Some people expect there will be mouse lag, there wasn't.
- kogir 13y agoI have an ASUS PQ321Q. Due to lack of support in OS X Mavericks for DP1.2 MST, OS X can only do 30Hz, but Windows on the same hardware can do 60Hz. The difference is staggering. 30Hz is terrible, and the lag when moving the mouse, dragging a window, or scrolling text is perceptible and annoying.
- Amadou 13y agoYour monitor's electronics may be doing more processing at 30Hz (like frame-doubling) than at 60Hz thus adding latency that is not inherent in the lower refresh rate. I used the T221 at 30Hz in a multi-monitor system with the other two monitors at 60Hz. I could drag a window so it straddled the 30Hz monitor and a 60Hz monitor. The DPI was severely mismatched so it wasn't very useful to straddle like that, but movement across the monitors was not obnoxious, not terribly fluid, but not annoying either. I'm sure different people have different tolerances for latency, but I tend to think my tolerance is pretty low.
- cpks 13y agoDude. Sweet! If the price is reasonable, I'll buy 2-4 for my desktop. I'd love to have the knock-off cheap dead pixels Korean version even more, actually.
- sliverstorm 13y agoAt $3,500 for the 32", the 24" will probably be $2,500-3,000. So, whether or not you will be getting 2-4 I guess depends on whether you'd rather have these monitors, or a car.
- mortyseinfeld 13y agoI picked up a couple Korean 27" 1440ps for the desktop for around $300 and loving them. They're even overclockable.
- jaredstenquist 13y agoAnd to think I thought the Thunderbolt display was pricey at $1k. I love it, but I don't think I could possible realize (or notice) the increase in capability unless working heavily in graphics and video, and that's assuming that the machine attached to it has a card that takes advantage of it.
- seiji 13y agoThe Monoprice 27" (using the same panel as the Apple Thunderbolt display) is under $400 this weekend: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10909&cs_id=1090901&p_id=10489&seq=1&format=2 http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10909&cs_id=... I have one beside the same size thunderbolt display and I like the monoprice one better (it seems to have a more effective anti-reflective coating).
- voltagex_ 13y agoI wonder if I can get this in Australia. I know about the Catleap monitors but I'd like to think that Monoprice does some QA
- shurcooL 13y agoNot too mention the Thunderbolt Display is outdated with its MagSafe 1, USB 2.0 ports, still present FireWire and it's thicker than the new iMacs.
- alexgaribay 13y agoThunderbolt displays come with a MagSafe 1 -> MagSafe 2 converter in the box now.
- shurcooL 13y agoI'm aware of that. But it's not quite the same as an updated Thunderbolt Display that will come with a native MagSafe 2 cable.
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- kevin818 13y agomost impressive stat to me: 1.07 billion colors my how far we've come from the good ol' days of CRT
- jfb 13y agoErr ... color resolution was never really the problem with CRT technology.
- simoncion 13y agoYeah. I hope that I'll live to see non-CRT consumer displays with actual 5->10 ms response times and real blacks, but I'm not too optimistic.
- Leynos 13y agoAn OLED screen will deliver that (pure black and sub-ms response time). And they are on sale now as televisions (albeit at scary prices along the lines of US$13000 for a 55" screen). 4k OLED screens with a 55" diagonal have also been demonstrated. From the sounds of things, new manufacturing techniques are being developed that will bring the prices down to sensible levels. Here's a review of one of the screens currently on the market: http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/lg-55ea980w-p16197/test.html http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/lg-55ea980w-p1619... Strangely, the first few OLED TVs at size have been concave (presumably more "because they can be" rather than because they need to be). Flat screens are also hitting the market now: http://www.oled-info.com/oled_devices/tv http://www.oled-info.com/oled_devices/tv
- simoncion 13y agoWe'll see how long it takes for good OLED tech to make it into the consumer computer monitor market. When I was younger, it was predicted that we would have affordable 600dpi, sub ms switching time time LED computer monitors by the early to mid 2000s. "The market" is often an obstructionist bitch.
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- sillysaurus2 13y agoWatch out for problems with the monitor. New ultra-high-def monitors often have problems such as lag or poor color accuracy. Before buying this, you need to wait until a professional with a colorimeter and a lagmeter evaluates this monitor if you remotely care about color accuracy or gaming. Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor.
- hyperbovine 13y ago> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. Sure it is! Reading on a monitor is pure torture ever since I bought a Retina MBP. If this is anywhere close to being affordable (realistically: no) I'd buy it for that reason alone.
- cclogg 13y agoI love my new Retina MBP, however the most annoying thing I found was dealing with so many non-retina things that look hideously blurry lol. I don't have a problem with the screen though, but weirdly enough in the last year or so I've had real problems with iPads. Like if I read or use it for even a short while, I get that nauseous headache feeling. Apparently it might have to do with LED screens.
- simoncion 13y agoYou could also have an issue with your neck or upper back. Try reading a somewhat heavy book in much the same position as you read an iPad.
- mortenjorck 13y agoDealing with other lower-DPI screens is what I thought my problem would be, but the biggest issue I've found with moving to a Retina MacBook Pro are the drawbacks of the technology being so new. Compared with my old CCFL-backlit desktop LCD, the Retina Display's backlight is far less uniform, and whites have a more readily perceptible color shift across the screen. It's not enough to qualify for a replacement (trust me, I tried), but it's nonetheless distracting enough to make me want to do most of my design work on my standard-DPI monitor.
- solox3 13y agoI have recently gotten a taste of ultra high resolution monitors. My coworker got the new Dell XPS 15, which has a QHD+ 3200x1800 screen. Just a heads up to coders, unless you plan to hunch your back or get new glasses, very few of you will enjoy the screen as much as you think you would.
- Encosia 13y agoWhy's that? I picked up a QHD+ Samsung a few weeks ago and have been loving it for development work. All of the development tools I've needed so far have respected Windows' DPI scaling (which came set at 200% on the Samsung, making it easy to spot when a program failed to scale correctly). The only major culprit so far has been Dropbox, which is infuriatingly frustrating to use at HiDPI. So bad it makes me want to move everything to SkyDrive or Google Drive.
- Crito 13y agoHow much do you actually interact with dropbox's UI? I would think that most of the time you would just be using it through the standard file/directory interaction things (file browsers, shell, etc).
- Encosia 13y agoConfiguring selective sync (which was a must since this was on a laptop with a relatively small SSD) is particularly excruciating, and I do need to tweak that from time to time when large folders are added. The window that pops up when you click the system tray icon also has the scaling issue, which is something that I do need to interact with on a daily basis. Luckily, it's not quite a bad as the selective sync configuration, but it's still pretty rough.
- wlesieutre 13y agoThe intent with these kinds of high DPI screens is usually to use scaling and keep interface elements roughly the same physical size (like Apple does with the RMBP), not to make everything tiny and still pixelated. If you spend all day looking at text it looks fantastic on a high density display. Support on Windows isn't perfect, but most programs handle it well by now.
- shitlord 13y agoI really wish companies would stop selling monitors with their logo placed obnoxiously on the front. I don't care if they put the logo on any other part of the display, but why do they have to ruin the front of it? I really love looking at plain black slabs, with nothing to distract me from the content within. I want to buy a couple of monitors and mount them. But there's just one small thing stopping me. I don't know if it's just me, but something feels wrong about rotating a monitor with such a prominent logo.
- stinos 13y agoJust paint the logo black. Or as close as you can get to the rest of the front's color. I'm doing this on all my Dells (using a paint marker), including a dot over the light of the power button.
- Theodores 13y agoI think this is a problem too. I can understand the manufacturers wanting their logo on the bottom though. If I was a screen manufacturer I would have a speaker bar on the bottom that has the logo and a few easy brightness controls on it - total Fisher Price usability. I would then add in a feature for the pros - have it so the speaker/controls bar can be folded up under the screen. In that way people that like their bling logos could have the logo on view, those that just want a panel can have no distractions. If engineered nicely you could have USB and video inputs on the drop-down bar made accessible from the front.
- Shivetya 13y agoWhen selling in retail how will people know whose monitor they are looking at? Logos serve many purposes, but in the wild they are a good source of marketing. Should we ask them to not brand even the box the CPU comes in? At most they could make the logo easily removable, too me that would be a fair compromise.
- masklinn 13y ago3840 x 2160 in 24 inches = 183.58 pixels per inch, compared to 204 for the IBM T220/T221 We're almost back to 10 years ago, yay.
- venomsnake 13y agoAnd in 10 years we may even return to CRT refresh rates.
- icecreampain 13y agoI've been looking at a higher resolution monitor than my 30" Dell and found that there are these things called "TVs" that apparently have 4K resolution but in 55" format. I'm after screen real estate and want to see a lot of code at the same time. Does anyone have any thoughts about replacing my 30" work monitor with a 55" TV with a lot more resolution?
- agilebyte 13y agoAlthough not 55", a post above refers to: http://tiamat.tsotech.com/seiki-4k http://tiamat.tsotech.com/seiki-4k It seems like if you do not do gaming, you should be fine.
- steveridout 13y agoI'd be very happy with an 8-bit colour 2560x1600 24" monitor. It would be more affordable and way easier for graphics cards to run, why is no-one making one of these!?
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- zokier 13y agoThe whole idea behind 4k is that you can feed it 1080p content and it will be displayed no worse than it would be on native 1080p display. In other words it allows easily swap between having conventional 24" 1080p performance or full 4k resolution, and this swapping can be relatively easily be done on a per-application basis, or possibly even more granually. Imagine eg having a WebGL context being pixel-doubled while the text on the same page being rendered at full resolution. In comparison, in a 2560x1600 24" monitor you'd get either quite big/ugly double-pixels, or scaling artifacts of non-integer multiple scaling.