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Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect
- UncleHo 13y agoI'm in Hanoi. Tried to click on the link. Blocked. BBC.com totally blocked here.
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- UncleHo 13y agoDoes anyone mind copy/pasting the article to pastebin? Wouldn't mind reading it
- dpatrick86 13y agohttp://pastebin.com/PdwfGr8c http://pastebin.com/PdwfGr8c
- UncleHo 13y agoThanks for that.
- tinco 13y agoI don't know how bad these things are in Vietnam, but please be careful reading texts like these over plain HTTP. HN is https for me, but pastebin isn't. You could use https://pastee.org https://pastee.org instead. Ofcourse, make sure that the certificate you get is actually from a non-vietnam authority. I think you can enforce this by running chrome.
- CapitalistCartr 13y agoA controversial law banning Vietnamese online users from discussing current affairs has come into effect. The decree, known as Decree 72, says blogs and social websites should not be used to share news articles, but only personal information. The law also requires foreign internet companies to keep their local servers inside Vietnam. It has been criticised by internet companies and human rights groups, as well as the US government. Vietnam is a one-party communist state and the authorities maintain a tight grip on the media. Dozens of activists, including bloggers, have been convicted for anti-state activity in the country this year. The new law specifies that social networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook should only be used "to provide and exchange personal information". It also prohibits the online publication of material that "opposes" the Vietnamese government or "harms national security". Last month the US embassy in Hanoi said it was "deeply concerned by the decree's provisions", arguing that "fundamental freedoms apply online just as they do offline". Reporters Without Borders, a Paris-based group that campaigns for press freedom worldwide, has said the decree will leave Vietnamese people "permanently deprived of the independent and outspoken information that normally circulates in blogs and forums". The Asia Internet Coalition, an industry group that represents companies including Google and Facebook, said the move would "stifle innovation and discourage businesses from operating in Vietnam".
- UncleHo 13y agoCheers, thanks.
- jawngee 13y agoI'm in Saigon. Use 8.8.8.8 for your DNS, unless you are accessing via 3G. I use unblock-us.com for my home network. Honestly, I don't see how they plan on enforcing this except for having a look see at already well known dissident bloggers. And, frankly, I think this 9X generation, which seems to be drowning in unprecedented narcissim will flip this whole place on its head when they get a bit older. Vietnam will be an even more interesting place than it is now when that comes to pass.
- UncleHo 13y agoI was using 8.8.8.8 for my DNS (I think it's google DNS?), but it was ridiculously slow for me. Wasn't sure if I was being penalized somehow for switching DNS provider and ended up changing back to my IP's DNS. It's a good point about the 9Xers. I don't know how politically aware or motivated they are, but I do know that, like the rest of us, they want free access to information and communication. Even if it is just to send instagrams of their bun cha.
- gizmo686 13y agoSwitching DNS providers could cause problems simply because your new provider doesn't do as good a job in your area, not because of any intentional penalization. You could try opendns (208.67.222.222), or some other 3rd party provider.
- state 13y agoHad to look up the "9X generation". For those interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9X_Generation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9X_Generation
- jawngee 13y agoThere's a few things going on here that I think are going to have serious influence on the next 10 years. First, the 9X kids, as I mentioned before, want what the rest of the world already has. They've had a taste and I don't think they are willing to concede. Second, a lot of Viet Kieu (Vietnamese from abroad) are returning and they have a lot of money. They're going to also want to maintain some semblance of what they've grown accustomed to in Canada, US and Australia. If there is anything I've learned from living here, money can buy almost everything. The rest of SE Asia is growing at a faster rate. Vietnam is only really beating Indonesia. I think what most people don't get is that communism here doesn't mean what you probably think it does. Capitalism is huge here and it's only going to get bigger. So, one or the other is going to have to give. Finally, this decree is kind of toothless. They have neither the money or the knowledge on implementing it. Their idea of blocking facebook was (Facebook is generally available anywhere now) to block some DNS entries.
- sondh 13y agoIt's interesting to see a new HN account created 4 hours ago with such a "dangerous" username. Especially in a post about censorship in Vietnam. Well played.
- phaikawl 13y agoI'm Vietnamese, can't find that law published anywhere on the internet, no press release whatsoever. Where is the official statement on this one?
- alextingle 13y ago> Last month the US embassy in Hanoi said it was "deeply concerned by the decree's provisions", arguing that "fundamental freedoms apply online just as they do offline". My hypocrisy-meter just broke.
- comex 13y agoConsidering that the US has zero speech-related internet censorship, and the comparison is to a law banning sharing any news articles online and publishing any material opposing the government, I'd say the US still has a valid complaint here.
- Shizka 13y agoOf course it's a valid complaint. Just because the US has a number of, lets call them unfortunate, stances on the definition on freedom doesn't mean they can't make complaints. But you must admit that this does make them seem somewhat hypocritical?
- jivatmanx 13y agoVietnam is a communist tyranny that simply applying existing laws and policies to a new medium, so this isn't really a change. Economists prefer percentages to absolutes, and trends to isolated incidents. 9/11 has not only halted the long trend towards increasing freedom, but began a new and troubling trend of growing tyranny. Perhaps the U.S. isn't overtly attacking press freedom, but the U.K. is, informs the U.S. before every incident, and the U.S. couldn't be happier.
- noubadi 13y agoWhat's wrong with national security? At least as an Vietnamese I don't want Arab Spring comes to our country.
- TheAnimus 13y agoIs it security to prevent people to be able to discuss what is being done by the government? Most people who have that freedom do not feel insecure. Most people who have the freedom to critique their government feel insecure at the idea of having that ability limited in any way. It would be interesting to hear the argument, why is this law a good thing for the Vietnamese people?
- noubadi 13y agoThe thing is, BBC or other foreign media always push things like this in a way that Vietnam Government is against "human rights", and "freedom"... From my point of view, they just want to attack Vietnam Government and make it look bad, by telling half-truth. This is not the first time. My English is not good enough to give you a clear understanding about that law, but it's not about "prevent people to discuss what is being done by the government". The exact word could be more close to "bring down the government", and that I think no government in the world let someone do that "in freedom". I dont say Vietnam Gov is good, but at least they are not that bad to bring down right now. All the people that "oppose" Vietnam Gov always close to "bring down", and tell half-truth or lying, and related to foreign countries. So I am fine with that part of the law. The other parts are about management, providing and using Internet services and information.