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It's your carrier that is blocking that, not the Nexus 7.

by Veus 13y ago

jkldotio 13y ago
If that's the case, I am not sure it is unless you have a link or reference, why is a computer bought specifically outside of a contract obeying these directives? Imagine the reaction if Apple or Microsoft sold a computer which "obeyed ISP flags" to limit bandwidth or made all networking options for linking to a second computer disappear from their menus depending on the whim of an ISP. The implications are just as bad, or even worse, for Google and the Nexus brand if what you say is true.
- corresation 13y ago
  why is a computer bought specifically outside of a contract obeying these directives Because your data plan exists under a contract with your carrier. Because most users would be angry if their carrier suddenly terminated their connection or layered on additional tethered data costs because of detected second-device traffic (both of which have happened). The Nexus devices are targeted at everyperson. Not just hackers and rogues. No-tethering flags exist because wireless resources are actually a finite resource, and because carriers desperately rely upon certain usage models which is basically that you overbuy and underuse, which tethering tends to significantly offset. Should they? Probably not. But if you want tethering, talk to your carrier.
  - jkldotio 13y ago
    "Not just hackers and rogues", well it was billed as a premium device with the full Android experience. It's a data SIM specifically for use as a modem SIM not as a phone, so while I understand they want to do that I don't see why Google has to go along with it. Despite all the comments in this thread unless it's mandated by law somewhere it's still on Google's head as I see it.
    - kbenson 13y ago
      "Not just hackers and rogues", well it was billed as a premium device with the full Android experience. Since when has the whole Android experience included being able to ignore contractual limitations? That's a different experience than I've ever had.
      - jkldotio 13y ago
        You are just assuming there is some contractual tethering ban. It's a data SIM designed to go in a usb 3G modem or a tablet. There's no contractual agreement between Google selling an independent computer and a telco in central Europe as far as I am aware. Edit: Therefore Google should prioritise me and not the profits of another company. What's the company going to do, ban non-contract devices from their services? Another company will just scoop up all those users. Google is disadvantaging me and trashing their own brand for the profits of another company. Nobody in this thread has produced any evidence Google is legally required to do this in any jurisdiction. And if they do have a compay-to-company contract with them it certainly wouldn't be a disadvantageous one, it would likely be a contract to do this so that the telco would have the Nexus 7 on their paid plans too. Again that's Google crippling my device for their own profits. Again it's a deception, and again it's on their head. I don't know why people are coming into the thread here so strongly to defend huge corporations that are selling computers and Internet connections and arbitrarily cutting people off from legitimate features. All the bandwidth is metered anyway so it doesn't matter whether the first device or a second device via the first uses it anyway. Or they could readily implement shaping (as in Australia, full speed to Xgig, slower speed thereafter) and just state it openly. There is no reason for any of this besides naked profit taking and deception.
        kbenson 13y ago
        I don't know why people are coming into the thread here so strongly to defend huge corporations... I know my reaction when I see statements that seem too strongly worded to be rational is to play devil's advocate, to try to bring a little rationality to the conversation (or, alternatively, learn the reason why the strong working is warranted). There is no reason for any of this besides naked profit taking and deception. Saying there is no reason in this case assumes more knowledge of the situation than you could possibly have. Besides that, you begged the question in the previous paragraph.
- jonknee 13y ago
  Apple does sell devices that obey these directives, it doesn't matter if you buy it direct or through a carrier. Buy an unlocked iPhone and try to tether on AT&T without paying for the required tether-allowed more expensive data plan. Same for Facetime over data, it's up the carrier.
- zyb09 13y ago
  iOS, as well as pretty much all other smartphones, also disable tethering on carrier's request, it just disappears from the menu. This doesn't have anything to do with the Nexus 7. It sucks and I don't know what the purpose is, given that data caps are already in place on top of that. At least carriers could be more transparent about the need to upgrade one's plan, instead of just disabling the feature on the phones. (oh and also the Nexus devices are probably the easiest to circumvent the blocking of tethering, just root and get an tethering app)
venomsnake 13y ago
How exactly can carriers block a nat daemon and a few iptables entries on my device?
- jsz0 13y ago
  With DPI and other methods it would be possible for the carriers to identify and block most tethered traffic. From what I've seen none of them are doing that yet. If you can enable your device to tether technically you can do it but unless you're paying for a tethering plan it is breaking the terms of service you agreed to. Most carriers are now at least identifying tethered traffic and warning customers. Some do it simply guessing on data usage numbers and some are using DPI or other methods to be more precise.

It's your carrier that is blocking that, not the Nexus 7.

by Veus 13y ago

It's your carrier that is blocking that, not the Nexus 7.

If that's the case, I am not sure it is unless you have a link or reference, why is a computer bought specifically outside of a contract obeying these directives? Imagine the reaction if Apple or Microsoft sold a computer which "obeyed ISP flags" to limit bandwidth or made all networking options for linking to a second computer disappear from their menus depending on the whim of an ISP. The implications are just as bad, or even worse, for Google and the Nexus brand if what you say is true.

corresation 13y ago
why is a computer bought specifically outside of a contract obeying these directives Because your data plan exists under a contract with your carrier. Because most users would be angry if their carrier suddenly terminated their connection or layered on additional tethered data costs because of detected second-device traffic (both of which have happened). The Nexus devices are targeted at everyperson. Not just hackers and rogues. No-tethering flags exist because wireless resources are actually a finite resource, and because carriers desperately rely upon certain usage models which is basically that you overbuy and underuse, which tethering tends to significantly offset. Should they? Probably not. But if you want tethering, talk to your carrier.
- jkldotio 13y ago
  "Not just hackers and rogues", well it was billed as a premium device with the full Android experience. It's a data SIM specifically for use as a modem SIM not as a phone, so while I understand they want to do that I don't see why Google has to go along with it. Despite all the comments in this thread unless it's mandated by law somewhere it's still on Google's head as I see it.
  - kbenson 13y ago
    "Not just hackers and rogues", well it was billed as a premium device with the full Android experience. Since when has the whole Android experience included being able to ignore contractual limitations? That's a different experience than I've ever had.
    - jkldotio 13y ago
      You are just assuming there is some contractual tethering ban. It's a data SIM designed to go in a usb 3G modem or a tablet. There's no contractual agreement between Google selling an independent computer and a telco in central Europe as far as I am aware. Edit: Therefore Google should prioritise me and not the profits of another company. What's the company going to do, ban non-contract devices from their services? Another company will just scoop up all those users. Google is disadvantaging me and trashing their own brand for the profits of another company. Nobody in this thread has produced any evidence Google is legally required to do this in any jurisdiction. And if they do have a compay-to-company contract with them it certainly wouldn't be a disadvantageous one, it would likely be a contract to do this so that the telco would have the Nexus 7 on their paid plans too. Again that's Google crippling my device for their own profits. Again it's a deception, and again it's on their head. I don't know why people are coming into the thread here so strongly to defend huge corporations that are selling computers and Internet connections and arbitrarily cutting people off from legitimate features. All the bandwidth is metered anyway so it doesn't matter whether the first device or a second device via the first uses it anyway. Or they could readily implement shaping (as in Australia, full speed to Xgig, slower speed thereafter) and just state it openly. There is no reason for any of this besides naked profit taking and deception.
      - kbenson 13y ago
        I don't know why people are coming into the thread here so strongly to defend huge corporations... I know my reaction when I see statements that seem too strongly worded to be rational is to play devil's advocate, to try to bring a little rationality to the conversation (or, alternatively, learn the reason why the strong working is warranted). There is no reason for any of this besides naked profit taking and deception. Saying there is no reason in this case assumes more knowledge of the situation than you could possibly have. Besides that, you begged the question in the previous paragraph.
jonknee 13y ago
Apple does sell devices that obey these directives, it doesn't matter if you buy it direct or through a carrier. Buy an unlocked iPhone and try to tether on AT&T without paying for the required tether-allowed more expensive data plan. Same for Facetime over data, it's up the carrier.
zyb09 13y ago
iOS, as well as pretty much all other smartphones, also disable tethering on carrier's request, it just disappears from the menu. This doesn't have anything to do with the Nexus 7. It sucks and I don't know what the purpose is, given that data caps are already in place on top of that. At least carriers could be more transparent about the need to upgrade one's plan, instead of just disabling the feature on the phones. (oh and also the Nexus devices are probably the easiest to circumvent the blocking of tethering, just root and get an tethering app)

venomsnake 13y ago

How exactly can carriers block a nat daemon and a few iptables entries on my device?

jsz0 13y ago
With DPI and other methods it would be possible for the carriers to identify and block most tethered traffic. From what I've seen none of them are doing that yet. If you can enable your device to tether technically you can do it but unless you're paying for a tethering plan it is breaking the terms of service you agreed to. Most carriers are now at least identifying tethered traffic and warning customers. Some do it simply guessing on data usage numbers and some are using DPI or other methods to be more precise.