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Thanks for your feedback! I worked for Zeo a year ago, however they've since shut down so I have no affiliation to them. I'll be sure to go in add the relevant

by maroun 13y ago

Thanks for your feedback! I worked for Zeo a year ago, however they've since shut down so I have no affiliation to them. I'll be sure to go in add the relevant sources.

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monkeynotes 13y ago
The Zeo website seems to be alive and well, and all their apps are still available.
- hdctambien 13y ago
  Apparently they shut down last month: http://mobihealthnews.com/20772/exclusive-sleep-coach-company-zeo-is-shutting-down/ http://mobihealthnews.com/20772/exclusive-sleep-coach-compan...
  - glu 13y ago
    the wakemate went through a similar cycle.
    - skore 13y ago
      I don't really think wakemate ever had any actual business. They had an overhyped alpha phase that never really got to a beta. Then they sold that alpha and everything, from the almost laughable unit itself to the broken website interface to the constantly failing android app, was desperately undertested and destined to fail. Sorry about the rant. Still kinda bummed out over the $70 bucks I lost on this.
treeface 13y ago
Sure thing. I don't mean to imply that you are intentionally misguiding. Your general advice (i.e. sleep enough and do it consistently) is good and the post was fairly well-written. Cheers, good sir.
- gknoy 13y ago
  I agree -- I expected this to be somewhat of a product pitch, and to some extent it was. However, as Treeface says, the post was well written and informative. I liked your charts of sleep, and the clear basic explanations of why each part is important.
- nkohari 13y ago
  I'm not picking on you specifically, but I think this is an example of a very common problem on HN. Someone posts a very harshly-worded negative comment. Then the OP responds to it, and the commenter walks back their comment and praises the post. It seems like once people realize they're communicating with other real-life human beings, they are much more civil. Couldn't we try to consider that ahead of time, and avoid the off-handed negativity in the first place? It would make HN (and nonverbal communication in general) much more productive and enjoyable. If the two comments combined fully capture your viewpoint, why not say something along the lines of, "Your advice is good and the post is fairly well-written, but it sort of comes off as a product advertisement. You cite scientific evidence, but you don't provide any sources, which makes it seem unsubstantiated." Just a suggestion.
  - treeface 13y ago
    Thanks for that. You are right, of course.
  - wonnage 13y ago
    Seconded. I see this (and am guilty myself) often even in workplace emails, etc. where people are supposed to be respectful. It's not so much that you can't put someone on blast, but whether you can live with knowing you just called another thinking human being a scumbag/asshole/dumbass/whatever.
  - larrys 13y ago
    "but I think this is an example of a very common problem on HN" In the true spirit of HN let me 2nd what you are saying and wonder why the parent was so quick to back off what he said. Although the OP has said he will provide links he also said this: "I walked into the office on January 9th and suddenly had access to some of the most knowledgeable people on sleep out there." So who are these people and what makes them so knowledgeable about sleep exactly? I guess the real question is how do you say this "nicer": 'This post seems like one big, long unsubstantiated bunch of app spam for "zeo"' maybe: 'I'd like some of the claims here substantiated. On the surface it appears to me that this well written post is simply app spam for "zeo"'
daok 13y ago
I have a Zeo since 10 months... doesn't seem to be shut down. They continue to sell and to ship. Their website is working, I use it every day.
qwertyboy 13y ago
Actually, I'd love to read those sources, since - I have to admit - I read it the same way. At first it felt like total pseudo-science, and then I saw the app and "realized" that this has to be app-spam. So please, if you have actual scientific sources (mostly for the distinct functions of different phases of sleep), do share.

by maroun 13y ago

Thanks for your feedback! I worked for Zeo a year ago, however they've since shut down so I have no affiliation to them. I'll be sure to go in add the relevant sources.

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monkeynotes 13y ago

The Zeo website seems to be alive and well, and all their apps are still available.

hdctambien 13y ago
Apparently they shut down last month: http://mobihealthnews.com/20772/exclusive-sleep-coach-company-zeo-is-shutting-down/ http://mobihealthnews.com/20772/exclusive-sleep-coach-compan...
- glu 13y ago
  the wakemate went through a similar cycle.
  - skore 13y ago
    I don't really think wakemate ever had any actual business. They had an overhyped alpha phase that never really got to a beta. Then they sold that alpha and everything, from the almost laughable unit itself to the broken website interface to the constantly failing android app, was desperately undertested and destined to fail. Sorry about the rant. Still kinda bummed out over the $70 bucks I lost on this.

treeface 13y ago

Sure thing. I don't mean to imply that you are intentionally misguiding. Your general advice (i.e. sleep enough and do it consistently) is good and the post was fairly well-written. Cheers, good sir.

gknoy 13y ago
I agree -- I expected this to be somewhat of a product pitch, and to some extent it was. However, as Treeface says, the post was well written and informative. I liked your charts of sleep, and the clear basic explanations of why each part is important.
nkohari 13y ago
I'm not picking on you specifically, but I think this is an example of a very common problem on HN. Someone posts a very harshly-worded negative comment. Then the OP responds to it, and the commenter walks back their comment and praises the post. It seems like once people realize they're communicating with other real-life human beings, they are much more civil. Couldn't we try to consider that ahead of time, and avoid the off-handed negativity in the first place? It would make HN (and nonverbal communication in general) much more productive and enjoyable. If the two comments combined fully capture your viewpoint, why not say something along the lines of, "Your advice is good and the post is fairly well-written, but it sort of comes off as a product advertisement. You cite scientific evidence, but you don't provide any sources, which makes it seem unsubstantiated." Just a suggestion.
- treeface 13y ago
  Thanks for that. You are right, of course.
- wonnage 13y ago
  Seconded. I see this (and am guilty myself) often even in workplace emails, etc. where people are supposed to be respectful. It's not so much that you can't put someone on blast, but whether you can live with knowing you just called another thinking human being a scumbag/asshole/dumbass/whatever.
- larrys 13y ago
  "but I think this is an example of a very common problem on HN" In the true spirit of HN let me 2nd what you are saying and wonder why the parent was so quick to back off what he said. Although the OP has said he will provide links he also said this: "I walked into the office on January 9th and suddenly had access to some of the most knowledgeable people on sleep out there." So who are these people and what makes them so knowledgeable about sleep exactly? I guess the real question is how do you say this "nicer": 'This post seems like one big, long unsubstantiated bunch of app spam for "zeo"' maybe: 'I'd like some of the claims here substantiated. On the surface it appears to me that this well written post is simply app spam for "zeo"'

daok 13y ago

I have a Zeo since 10 months... doesn't seem to be shut down. They continue to sell and to ship. Their website is working, I use it every day.

qwertyboy 13y ago

Actually, I'd love to read those sources, since - I have to admit - I read it the same way. At first it felt like total pseudo-science, and then I saw the app and "realized" that this has to be app-spam. So please, if you have actual scientific sources (mostly for the distinct functions of different phases of sleep), do share.