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This post seems like one big, long unsubstantiated bunch of app spam for "zeo". I don't think scientists understand the "fact retention" mechanism as well as OP
by treeface 13y ago
This post seems like one big, long unsubstantiated bunch of app spam for "zeo". I don't think scientists understand the "fact retention" mechanism as well as OP claims, for instance. It's fairly clear that sleep is important, but there's a lot of unsourced information here that's presented as fact.
- maroun 13y agoThanks for your feedback! I worked for Zeo a year ago, however they've since shut down so I have no affiliation to them. I'll be sure to go in add the relevant sources.
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- monkeynotes 13y agoThe Zeo website seems to be alive and well, and all their apps are still available.
- hdctambien 13y agoApparently they shut down last month: http://mobihealthnews.com/20772/exclusive-sleep-coach-company-zeo-is-shutting-down/ http://mobihealthnews.com/20772/exclusive-sleep-coach-compan...
- glu 13y agothe wakemate went through a similar cycle.
- skore 13y agoI don't really think wakemate ever had any actual business. They had an overhyped alpha phase that never really got to a beta. Then they sold that alpha and everything, from the almost laughable unit itself to the broken website interface to the constantly failing android app, was desperately undertested and destined to fail. Sorry about the rant. Still kinda bummed out over the $70 bucks I lost on this.
- treeface 13y agoSure thing. I don't mean to imply that you are intentionally misguiding. Your general advice (i.e. sleep enough and do it consistently) is good and the post was fairly well-written. Cheers, good sir.
- gknoy 13y agoI agree -- I expected this to be somewhat of a product pitch, and to some extent it was. However, as Treeface says, the post was well written and informative. I liked your charts of sleep, and the clear basic explanations of why each part is important.
- nkohari 13y agoI'm not picking on you specifically, but I think this is an example of a very common problem on HN. Someone posts a very harshly-worded negative comment. Then the OP responds to it, and the commenter walks back their comment and praises the post. It seems like once people realize they're communicating with other real-life human beings, they are much more civil. Couldn't we try to consider that ahead of time, and avoid the off-handed negativity in the first place? It would make HN (and nonverbal communication in general) much more productive and enjoyable. If the two comments combined fully capture your viewpoint, why not say something along the lines of, "Your advice is good and the post is fairly well-written, but it sort of comes off as a product advertisement. You cite scientific evidence, but you don't provide any sources, which makes it seem unsubstantiated." Just a suggestion.
- treeface 13y agoThanks for that. You are right, of course.
- wonnage 13y agoSeconded. I see this (and am guilty myself) often even in workplace emails, etc. where people are supposed to be respectful. It's not so much that you can't put someone on blast, but whether you can live with knowing you just called another thinking human being a scumbag/asshole/dumbass/whatever.
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- daok 13y agoI have a Zeo since 10 months... doesn't seem to be shut down. They continue to sell and to ship. Their website is working, I use it every day.
- qwertyboy 13y agoActually, I'd love to read those sources, since - I have to admit - I read it the same way. At first it felt like total pseudo-science, and then I saw the app and "realized" that this has to be app-spam. So please, if you have actual scientific sources (mostly for the distinct functions of different phases of sleep), do share.