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Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud
- anonozc 13y agoOne does not simply sue our hero
- huhtenberg 13y agoYour reddit is leaking. Mop it up.
- sgt 13y agoYes, far too many people are joining us from 4chan/reddit.
- publicfig 13y agoHe's not our hero, he's not being sued and the case is strong.
- sergiotapia 13y ago>hacking into several Swedish companies and stealing personal data Are these allegations true? If so, I don't think this man deserves sympathies. The punishment may be too harsh in my opinion for these type of crimes, but they are crimes nonetheless.
- swinglock 13y agoHe's charged, not guilty. I don't think anyone here could answer if it's true.
- coldtea 13y agoNot to mention that thousands of people have been found guilty, only to be proven innocent (sometimes after decades in jail). Or that tons of people have been found guilty (and never could proved their innocence), with fabricated data by some corrupt government agency.
- pathy 13y agoThe indictment can be found here: http://www.aklagare.se/PageFiles/10239/AM_52124_12.pdf http://www.aklagare.se/PageFiles/10239/AM_52124_12.pdf (Swedish. Save as, appears to be broken when viewed in browser) A quick read-through seems to suggest that they have quite solid support for it. However, I haven't seen the investigation protocol (FUP) so I cannot say if the actual evidence is any good.
- easytiger 13y ago> quite solid support for it. Constituting?
- belorn 13y agoA bunch of documents not actually in the linked PDF. The prosecutor claims that they have chats logs that show Gottfrid discussing the hacking, logs that connects IP address to those owned/bought by Gottfrid, data on a mobile phone owned by him, and computer + old hard drive. Sadly, none of that is actually showed in the PDF. Only referenced.
- pathy 13y agoI believe the investigation protocol (FUP) will be public once the court case begins but I am not sure. I guess we will see.
- white_devil 13y agoAnd chat logs couldn't possibly be forged, right? :p
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- s_henry_paulson 13y agoHe deserves sympathy for the way this has been handled. He has been held for something like 7 months without charges under a law that is supposed to allow holding someone while evidence is gathered. The person is not supposed to be held for more than 7 days, 14 at the most. So they've had to keep filing and getting a judge to approve extensions to keep holding him without charging him. Now, one wonders if they needed 7+ months to gather evidence, if they ever had any evidence to begin with, to justify arresting him. Who knows, but this is not off to a good start. The likely answer: Charges come, they are dropped or dismissed (they were possibly fabricated to begin with), since he is in the country now he is dealt with for Pirate Bay related stuff, credited with time served and is either released or imprisoned for a few more months, and then everyone forgets about it.
- jlouis 13y agoThe judge giving extensions is key here. It is customary to operate like this in Scandinavian countries. The idea is that the police has to make a case to the judge that it is worthwhile to still hold him and that they are making progress in the case. Otherwise he would have been released long ago. It is quite different from other countries, I know, but law is not handled the same way all over the world.
- draugadrotten 13y agoThe prosecutor formally has to make the case to extend the remand prison, but it's a formality. Of course it benefits the prosecutor to keep someone locked up while you work on the prosecution evidence. But it severly restricts the imprisoned person from working on their defense. Thus, it is bad for the legal principle of "equality at arms".
- jakejake 13y agoI would imagine it is easy for the prosecutor to claim the dependent is a flight risk, since they had such difficulty getting him into the country.
- chenster 13y ago> He has been held for something like 7 months without charges under a law that is supposed to allow holding someone while evidence is gathered. Is this true? It sounds like no difference from totalitarian system such as Chinese government to legally detain a person for while gathering evidence.
- white_devil 13y agoIt's bullshit propaganda, and the charges are just as valid as Assange's rape charges, courtesy of the same corrupt government. The US entertainment industry wants to make an example of him. >> He was also charged with hacking into the computer servers of Logica, a Swedish company that handles tax documents. "Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes!!" Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom software for big customers, typically government agencies. They're in Finland too, but originally from England.
- Kiro 13y agoCorrupt government? Are we talking about Sweden or Somalia? Sweden is one of the least corrupt countries in the world so please stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories.
- white_devil 13y agoEvery government is corrupt, because the very arrangement of government itself leads to corruption. In Sweden's case, it's just not your average third-world style corruption like "hand me a bag of money and let's see about that building permit" - it's more about various "constituents" trading in favours/influence/power/positions/money. Of course, the same kind of corruption applies to the US too. For example, campaign contributions are bribes already.
- okamiueru 13y agoFlawed argument based on generalization. The sentence itself reveals the fallacy: "leads to corruption", suggesting at some point it is not corrupt -- contradicted by "every government is corrupt". Q.E.D.
- white_devil 13y agoSomehow there's always someone complaining about a "generalization", isn't there? Here's what I said: >> Every government is corrupt, because the very arrangement of government itself leads to corruption. In this statement, "every government is corrupt" is a description of the state of affairs that the arrangement of government leads to. This does not contradict the idea of a government possibly not being corrupt at its inception - the point was that a government is a flawed institution right from the start. Bear in mind, a government is a group of people that: - Wields power over millions of people, and decides everything for them, even though their one-size-fits-all -solutions are practically guaranteed to not fit all. - Forcefully extracts money from millions of people, and then uses it as they see fit. - Is not responsible for their actions to anyone. In other words, no matter what they do, they won't suffer any negative consequences. Sure, someone may not get re-elected, but that doesn't really matter, and they'll still enjoy a fat pension (of other people's money) and so on.
- trotsky 13y agoI think I'd remain skeptical until the specific details emerge. Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website. I'm not saying it couldn't be legit, but I think we can all agree that TPB is well into the realm of "find me something that'll stick on these guys"
- rayiner 13y ago> Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website. And claiming he was going to sell them. Why leave out the whole truth?
- trotsky 13y agoWell because that's the first time I'd ever heard that and I've followed it off and on since he first issued the press release. I don't doubt he might have though, as he's a fucking idiot. But if you're actually going to do that you're not exactly issuing press releases about the loss. Kind of an odd thing to suggest as a heinous crime anyway, since 50x that much data is being passed around about all those people on that list between the fortune 500 under thge guise of privacy policies and partners.
- lawnchair_larry 13y agoBecause that isn't true at all.
- GauntletWizard 13y agoSince when is it illegal to sell lists of e-mail addresses? Immoral and unethical in many situations, yes, but illegal it is rarely.
- niggler 13y ago> illegally transfer money from a bank. What does it mean to illegally transfer money? Is this a euphemism for stealing?
- pathy 13y agoThey tried (and succeeded in one case) to transfer money between accounts, without authorization so illegally transferring money seems to be the correct wording? Stealing does tend to be associated with physical theft?
- dionyziz 13y ago"Illegally transferring money" may mean the following, which would not be called "stealing": * Transferring money between two bank accounts neither of which one owns. For example, I could transfer money from niggler's bank account to Obama's bank account, without personally benefiting from it, "for the lulz," or for trying to see if I actually have access to do that after having hacked into a bank's system. * Transferring my own money from my bank account to another bank without having permission to do so. Maybe the money has been frozen in some way. In that case, it is my own money, so it isn't stealing. Not sure what happened here, but the term is broader.
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- np422 13y agoThere is a high probability that this is false accusations, just "because we can" from the prosecutors ... I'm from Sweden and I'm very sad to say that I don't consider Sweden to fulfil all the requirements for rule of law and legal security. Even if he is acquitted from the crimes in a trial he will have spent a few months arrested and we don't have a bail system here in Sweden. Both European committee for the prevention of torture and Amnesty International frequently criticize Sweden for the conditions for arrestees ... Yepp, that's where Gotfried is being kept locked up...
- alan_cx 13y agoOut of interest, would you prefer to face Swedish justice or the US system?
- draugadrotten 13y agoPenalties in the Swedish justice system are humane. Even serious crimes only renders 5-10 years of prison time. Conditions in prisons are far better than the US. Prisoners have private rooms, gym and better food than elderly citizens. The US system have far too severe penalties. Sentences of 10-100 years are now common. Conditions in prisons are horrible with rampant drug abuse, violence and even murders. However, the Swedish prosecutors and courts are banana republic quality. Look at the Assange parody for an example. A Swedish prosecutor may invent almost anything as evidence, even a photoshopped screenshot - because ANYTHING can be submitted as evidence in a Swedish court. There is even a recent drug case where the Swedish police illegaly put GPS surveillance on a suspected drug trafficker. The court recognizes the police did this illegaly, but the GPS data is still allowed as evidence. This is called "fri bevisföring" in Swedish. The courts are made up by politically chosen representatives, not a jury, which further contributes to the banana republic sentencing. So - justice is more blind in Sweden, but she is slapping you on the wrist, instead of decapitating you.
- swang 13y agoDo you mean less blind? Justice wearing a blindfold implies impartiality and fairness.
- aus_ 13y agoPCWorld reports he "hacked IBM mainframes". [1] I would be interested in knowing the details of this. I am a sysprog for z/OS for a financial institution by day, and I have never heard of any sort of intrusion like this. Not that these systems are completely bulletproof, but I expect there is some fabrication in these statements. These systems are usually deep in the backend and obscurely buried in archaic and proprietary architectures. Unless Warg had any experience with this platform or some sort of inside help, I highly doubt this allegation. [1]: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034733/pirate-bay-cofounder-charged-with-hacking-ibm-mainframes-stealing-money.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034733/pirate-bay-cofounder-...
- belorn 13y agoThe prosecutor document describe the "hack" as Gottfrid testing a bunch of default password at an wireless route, and from there, using the internal networks "automated processes" (ie, I assume they mean that the system lacks any security against the internal network).
- lawnchair_larry 13y agoAs someone who works in security, I can tell you that your trust in these is misplaced. Archaic proprietary systems, once examined, are far worse in terms of security, not better. It isn't difficult to learn z/OS if that is your goal.
- holmb 13y ago> Unless Warg had any experience with this platform or some sort of inside help, I highly doubt this allegation. He has knowledge and experience with z/OS. And in the general case, I totally agree with lawnchair_larry. Also, if there is a big enough incentive to find security flaws they will be found, even in rather obscure systems. Though that doesn't make him guilty until proven otherwise.
- belorn 13y agoThis thing doesn't surprise me too much. The pirate movement has for a long time said that if you constantly call people criminals, the risk that they later actually will commit crimes goes up. I can understand if a person going through the circus called the pirate bay trial is slightly resentful of the Swedish state, and might not feel too respectful of its law. Still a crime of course, and still wrong.
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- technonono 13y agotpb is great. But its founders? may not be so.