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Flat-UI repository is available again

87 points by brntn 14y ago

mikegioia 14y ago
This is great, but does anyone know what the current status of the actual DMCA takedown is? Has LayerVault rescinded the takedown? What a ridiculous ordeal this is.
- jrajav 14y ago
  Since Designmodo responded with a counter-notice [1], LayerVault would now have to take it to court. [1]: https://github.com/github/dmca/commit/6a33a213e04e7fc5e74ce3cab80fee778f641acc https://github.com/github/dmca/commit/6a33a213e04e7fc5e74ce3...
  - okamiueru 14y ago
    I'm curious about this. Is it on a company-vs-company basis? Or could LayerVault just file another DMCA takedown notice challenging a different aspect? Say LayerVault filed notice on file A, which made github remove the repo for 10 working days from counter-notice. When back up, they file notice on file B, etc. Would this be possible?
- minimaxir 14y ago
  By DMCA, the repository must be restored between 10-14 days in the event of a counternotice. Today's the 14th day. EDIT: Technically, it's 10-14 business days, and today's the 10th business day.
bluetidepro 14y ago
It would be nice if one of the parties of all this would put up a blog post explaining what happened (behind the scenes) and the conclusion to it all (how/why it's back up). It would be nice to see how it was all resolved and the outcome, whether it was good or bad.
- andypants 14y ago
  It's not been resolved yet, it's only the DMCA process that's completed (send notice, github goes down, send counter-notice, github goes back up).
- SmeelBe 14y ago
  Cool! waiting for pro version of Flat UI - http://designmodo.com/flat/ http://designmodo.com/flat/ LV get free advertising from this process... i think this is just a wrong step from LV...
mrgreenfur 14y ago
Are you seriously requiring a tweet to get a download link?
- arkitaip 14y ago
  This is a pretty scummy practice.
  - sgdesign 14y ago
    It's scummy practice to ask for a tweet in exchange for a huge UI pack that took hundreds of hours of work that you're getting completely free?!
    - ianstormtaylor 14y ago
      Pretty much. I'm not saying it's right, but it does feel scummy. If you think about it, it feels way less scummy to just ask for money. Asking for a tweet is like saying, here you can have this free thing if you degrade your friends' experience on twitter by a tiny amount first. Do it a bunch and it adds up. Whereas me paying someone one dollar doesn't degrade all of my friends' twitter streams. I know I don't want to read people's "free stuff" tweets. I'd rather they didn't show up in my feed. I only want to read recommendations when they are genuine. Not when they were required.
    - bcardarella 14y ago
      The tweet is an endorsement of the product before you have had a chance to try it. This is why it is bullshit.
    - fmilne 14y ago
      You could always be counter-scummy and delete the tweet right after the assets start downloading.
    - deleted 14y ago
      [deleted]
    - mnicole 14y ago
free652 14y ago
Good, LayerVault was really just fishing for some free ads. None of LV's claims are true, the graphics is different. You cannot copyright an inspiration and not like LV were first there anyway. A lot of their gfx was inspired by some other work.
- _frog 14y ago
  Did you miss the part where they included direct copies of the Designer News logo and several other of Layervault's illustrations?
  - awolf 14y ago
    I did miss that, because they didn't. You could argue that Flat UI's icons were derivative works taking inspiration from LayerVault, but they were certainly not direct copies.
    - andrewfelix 14y ago
      LayerVault's design's are awfully derivative themselves.
  - shardling 14y ago
    Yes, I never saw this claim til now. Link to source?
  - Semaphor 14y ago
    I missed it it seems. I saw comparison pictures [1] of the Layervault logos and the Flat-UI logos without spotting a single copy. I'm sure you have a source for your claim? [1] : http://imgur.com/IH1osAD http://imgur.com/IH1osAD
  - forwardslash 14y ago
    Did you miss the part where they didn't? Here is a comparison of Layer Vault, Flat UI, and The Noun Project which preceded LV and Flat UI: http://imgur.com/IH1osAD http://imgur.com/IH1osAD
guiomie 14y ago
Ill download the darn thing before it gets pulled off again, I really like style.
- lancefisher 14y ago
  Just fork it like 411 did off of this: https://github.com/iurevych/Flat-UI https://github.com/iurevych/Flat-UI and 133 did off of this: https://github.com/designmodo/Flat-UI https://github.com/designmodo/Flat-UI It shows solidarity :)
sergiotapia 14y ago
Reminds me of a feud we had with a website called ChampionSelect.net Back then my brother and I were huge LoL fans and we decided to build a fansite for the game. You can see it here (it's no longer active): http://web.archive.org/web/20120506035929/http://www.oracleoflegends.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20120506035929/http://www.oracleo... We used Twitter bootstrap for our UI and that other site whined that we copied their style. When they were just using the default styles.
- jychang 14y ago
  ... Really? Did they realize they were using default bootstrap? That's pretty dumb of them. /LoL player here as well
- gosukiwi 14y ago
  I used to see that site a lot, then I mained Nidalee and hit plat l0l she gives no fs about counters Nevertheless, funny story, I realized it was just bootstrap and it looked quite decent
  - sergiotapia 14y ago
    Hey small world. I heavily regret not working on the site more, but when Lolking came out with tons of funding from the Curse network, I figured I couldn't compete against a team of programmers and designers working on it full time. I could only work on the site for a few hours in the weekends at best. My brother and I are currently working on a similar site for another game, this time putting into practice all the good things I've learned along the way. We won't quit this time.
    - gosukiwi 14y ago
      Yeah it happens, but at least you have the experience for your new project :p I for one can't stop playing LoL ~
voyou 14y ago
I'm just waiting for LayerVault to issue a DMCA takedown against the Art Institute of Chicago for hosting a work which despicably stole their colour scheme back in 1989: http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/152758?search_no=4&index=10 http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/152758?search_n...
- Blara 14y ago
  Maybe someone should do something like that to show how ridiculous DMCA can be
adregan 14y ago
I came across the artwork of Ben Wiseman[1] yesterday, and it struck me how similar in style and color his work is to a lot of the flat designs in question. However, my experiences with art and artists would lead me to believe that most of them wouldn't even be aware with what to do with a DMCA notice. It's concerning to see such a ham fisted tactic trickling its way through culture. The idea[2] of issuing a takedown of the Art Institute of Chicago is both funny but also troubling because it's bound to happen sooner or later. 1: http://work.ben-wiseman.com http://work.ben-wiseman.com 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5405692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5405692
norswap 14y ago
You gotto love the answer "I definitely feel your frustration. The tone of this topic is not in line with the civil level of discourse I'd like to maintain here, so I cannot respond." User is (rightly) pissed. Less piss him some more.

87 points by brntn 14y ago

This is great, but does anyone know what the current status of the actual DMCA takedown is? Has LayerVault rescinded the takedown? What a ridiculous ordeal this is.

jrajav 14y ago
Since Designmodo responded with a counter-notice [1], LayerVault would now have to take it to court. [1]: https://github.com/github/dmca/commit/6a33a213e04e7fc5e74ce3cab80fee778f641acc https://github.com/github/dmca/commit/6a33a213e04e7fc5e74ce3...
- okamiueru 14y ago
  I'm curious about this. Is it on a company-vs-company basis? Or could LayerVault just file another DMCA takedown notice challenging a different aspect? Say LayerVault filed notice on file A, which made github remove the repo for 10 working days from counter-notice. When back up, they file notice on file B, etc. Would this be possible?
minimaxir 14y ago
By DMCA, the repository must be restored between 10-14 days in the event of a counternotice. Today's the 14th day. EDIT: Technically, it's 10-14 business days, and today's the 10th business day.

bluetidepro 14y ago

It would be nice if one of the parties of all this would put up a blog post explaining what happened (behind the scenes) and the conclusion to it all (how/why it's back up). It would be nice to see how it was all resolved and the outcome, whether it was good or bad.

andypants 14y ago
It's not been resolved yet, it's only the DMCA process that's completed (send notice, github goes down, send counter-notice, github goes back up).
SmeelBe 14y ago
Cool! waiting for pro version of Flat UI - http://designmodo.com/flat/ http://designmodo.com/flat/ LV get free advertising from this process... i think this is just a wrong step from LV...

mrgreenfur 14y ago

Are you seriously requiring a tweet to get a download link?

arkitaip 14y ago
This is a pretty scummy practice.
- sgdesign 14y ago
  It's scummy practice to ask for a tweet in exchange for a huge UI pack that took hundreds of hours of work that you're getting completely free?!
  - ianstormtaylor 14y ago
    Pretty much. I'm not saying it's right, but it does feel scummy. If you think about it, it feels way less scummy to just ask for money. Asking for a tweet is like saying, here you can have this free thing if you degrade your friends' experience on twitter by a tiny amount first. Do it a bunch and it adds up. Whereas me paying someone one dollar doesn't degrade all of my friends' twitter streams. I know I don't want to read people's "free stuff" tweets. I'd rather they didn't show up in my feed. I only want to read recommendations when they are genuine. Not when they were required.
  - bcardarella 14y ago
    The tweet is an endorsement of the product before you have had a chance to try it. This is why it is bullshit.
  - fmilne 14y ago
    You could always be counter-scummy and delete the tweet right after the assets start downloading.
  - deleted 14y ago
    [deleted]
  - mnicole 14y ago

free652 14y ago

Good, LayerVault was really just fishing for some free ads. None of LV's claims are true, the graphics is different. You cannot copyright an inspiration and not like LV were first there anyway. A lot of their gfx was inspired by some other work.

_frog 14y ago
Did you miss the part where they included direct copies of the Designer News logo and several other of Layervault's illustrations?
- awolf 14y ago
  I did miss that, because they didn't. You could argue that Flat UI's icons were derivative works taking inspiration from LayerVault, but they were certainly not direct copies.
  - andrewfelix 14y ago
    LayerVault's design's are awfully derivative themselves.
- shardling 14y ago
  Yes, I never saw this claim til now. Link to source?
- Semaphor 14y ago
  I missed it it seems. I saw comparison pictures [1] of the Layervault logos and the Flat-UI logos without spotting a single copy. I'm sure you have a source for your claim? [1] : http://imgur.com/IH1osAD http://imgur.com/IH1osAD
- forwardslash 14y ago
  Did you miss the part where they didn't? Here is a comparison of Layer Vault, Flat UI, and The Noun Project which preceded LV and Flat UI: http://imgur.com/IH1osAD http://imgur.com/IH1osAD

guiomie 14y ago

Ill download the darn thing before it gets pulled off again, I really like style.

lancefisher 14y ago
Just fork it like 411 did off of this: https://github.com/iurevych/Flat-UI https://github.com/iurevych/Flat-UI and 133 did off of this: https://github.com/designmodo/Flat-UI https://github.com/designmodo/Flat-UI It shows solidarity :)

sergiotapia 14y ago

Reminds me of a feud we had with a website called ChampionSelect.net Back then my brother and I were huge LoL fans and we decided to build a fansite for the game. You can see it here (it's no longer active): http://web.archive.org/web/20120506035929/http://www.oracleoflegends.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20120506035929/http://www.oracleo... We used Twitter bootstrap for our UI and that other site whined that we copied their style. When they were just using the default styles.

jychang 14y ago
... Really? Did they realize they were using default bootstrap? That's pretty dumb of them. /LoL player here as well
gosukiwi 14y ago
I used to see that site a lot, then I mained Nidalee and hit plat l0l she gives no fs about counters Nevertheless, funny story, I realized it was just bootstrap and it looked quite decent
- sergiotapia 14y ago
  Hey small world. I heavily regret not working on the site more, but when Lolking came out with tons of funding from the Curse network, I figured I couldn't compete against a team of programmers and designers working on it full time. I could only work on the site for a few hours in the weekends at best. My brother and I are currently working on a similar site for another game, this time putting into practice all the good things I've learned along the way. We won't quit this time.
  - gosukiwi 14y ago
    Yeah it happens, but at least you have the experience for your new project :p I for one can't stop playing LoL ~

voyou 14y ago

I'm just waiting for LayerVault to issue a DMCA takedown against the Art Institute of Chicago for hosting a work which despicably stole their colour scheme back in 1989: http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/152758?search_no=4&index=10 http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/152758?search_n...

Blara 14y ago
Maybe someone should do something like that to show how ridiculous DMCA can be

adregan 14y ago

I came across the artwork of Ben Wiseman[1] yesterday, and it struck me how similar in style and color his work is to a lot of the flat designs in question. However, my experiences with art and artists would lead me to believe that most of them wouldn't even be aware with what to do with a DMCA notice. It's concerning to see such a ham fisted tactic trickling its way through culture. The idea[2] of issuing a takedown of the Art Institute of Chicago is both funny but also troubling because it's bound to happen sooner or later. 1: http://work.ben-wiseman.com http://work.ben-wiseman.com 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5405692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5405692

norswap 14y ago

You gotto love the answer "I definitely feel your frustration. The tone of this topic is not in line with the civil level of discourse I'd like to maintain here, so I cannot respond." User is (rightly) pissed. Less piss him some more.