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A couple of notes to your points ... 2.) There are two Surface models, one is the Surface RT (which this article is talking about) and the other is the yet to

A couple of notes to your points ... 2.) There are two Surface models, one is the Surface RT (which this article is talking about) and the other is the yet to be released Surface Pro. The Surface RT is slightly heaving than the latest generate iPad. The Surface Pro is supposed to be 2 lbs., which is lighter than the smallest Macbook Air and with the exception of form factor, it is every bit a real computer as is the Macbook Air. 3.) There is no start button in Windows 8 or Windows RT, so I don't know what device you were demo'ing.

yajoe 14y ago
I appreciate your reasoned post about the Surface: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5146663 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5146663 A couple clarifications to highlight how the jury is still out on this device and its long-term impact on the market. > 2.) The Surface RT is slightly heaving than the latest generate iPad... The Surface Pro is supposed to be 2 lbs., I had the Surface RT (with touch keyboard) in one hand and my MacBook Air in the other hand. The MacBook Air felt lighter. I did the same thing with a Surface Pro I wasn't supposed to see on a different occasion; the MacBook Air still felt lighter. It could be the Surface Pro I saw was a hardware prototype. Weight doesn't seem like the Surface's major advantage. > 3) There is no start button in Windows 8 or Windows RT You're right that there isn't a start menu in desktop mode (unless someone installs the popular apps that put it back). However, there is a hardware start button on the surface RT I saw... and I did hit it quite often when holding it in landscape. Somehow my hand just wanted to hold the device in the middle from below (perhaps because it's easier to balance? Torsion is heavy?) and got tired much quicker when holding on one side.
- lotso 14y ago
  The weight of the Surface RT and Surface are lighter than the Macbook Air 11 inch by .88 pounds and .38 pounds respectively. The Surface was engineered to equally distribute the weight so that it even feels lighter than it actually is.
  - cma 14y ago
    How heavy is the pro keyboard attachment? More than .38 lbs?
    - dangrossman 14y ago
      About that. A Surface Pro with the Type Cover should be both thinner and lighter than the smallest MacBook Air. Exactly how many hundredths of a pound lighter isn't yet known since no review units were sent out and the Surface Pro website says "under 2 pounds" for the device.
blhack 14y ago
You're right! There is no start button, this is my mistake. The desktop looks like this: http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/11/Surface-RT-desktop.jpg http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/11/Surf...

yajoe 14y ago

I appreciate your reasoned post about the Surface: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5146663 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5146663 A couple clarifications to highlight how the jury is still out on this device and its long-term impact on the market. > 2.) The Surface RT is slightly heaving than the latest generate iPad... The Surface Pro is supposed to be 2 lbs., I had the Surface RT (with touch keyboard) in one hand and my MacBook Air in the other hand. The MacBook Air felt lighter. I did the same thing with a Surface Pro I wasn't supposed to see on a different occasion; the MacBook Air still felt lighter. It could be the Surface Pro I saw was a hardware prototype. Weight doesn't seem like the Surface's major advantage. > 3) There is no start button in Windows 8 or Windows RT You're right that there isn't a start menu in desktop mode (unless someone installs the popular apps that put it back). However, there is a hardware start button on the surface RT I saw... and I did hit it quite often when holding it in landscape. Somehow my hand just wanted to hold the device in the middle from below (perhaps because it's easier to balance? Torsion is heavy?) and got tired much quicker when holding on one side.

lotso 14y ago
The weight of the Surface RT and Surface are lighter than the Macbook Air 11 inch by .88 pounds and .38 pounds respectively. The Surface was engineered to equally distribute the weight so that it even feels lighter than it actually is.
- cma 14y ago
  How heavy is the pro keyboard attachment? More than .38 lbs?
  - dangrossman 14y ago
    About that. A Surface Pro with the Type Cover should be both thinner and lighter than the smallest MacBook Air. Exactly how many hundredths of a pound lighter isn't yet known since no review units were sent out and the Surface Pro website says "under 2 pounds" for the device.

blhack 14y ago

You're right! There is no start button, this is my mistake. The desktop looks like this: http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/11/Surface-RT-desktop.jpg http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/11/Surf...