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Aaron Swartz commits suicide
- maked00 14y agoThis kid had it all, fame, fortune, brains. So what we wrong? Why was he so unhappy?
- hihuhiahei 14y agoIs there a proof that it's a suicide? He dies yesterday, and annouced as `suicide` immediately?
- shrikant 14y agoDid you even read the posted link, or are you just responding to the headline?
- kimura 14y agoRIP
- achompas 14y ago.
- jonchris 14y agoRIP.
- liuyu 14y agoIt’s better to burn out than to fade away. Or, which would be worse? To live as a monster, or to die as a good man? I love the DEATH .
- liuyu 14y agoIt’s better to burn out than to fade away. Or, which would be worse? To live as a monster, or to die as a good man? I love the DEATH .
- ajdecon 14y ago.
- coderdude 14y agoMy heart goes out to his family. I'm a big fan of his work, particularly web.py. He made a huge impact on the web by anyone's standards and his contributions have personally touched my life in many ways. Rest in peace, man.
- josh2600 14y agoI'm speechless. He had his troubles and he made some bad decisions, but it didn't have to be like this. I wish his family peace and clarity in this dark hour. I'm just so sorry.
- veemjeem 14y agoSad, he just wanted to make the world a better place.
- josh2600 14y agoRead the statement above. If you're looking anywhere its probably towards the US Attorney's office, not JSTOR.
- droithomme 14y agoThey went on a witch hunt against the guy and destroyed his life. There's only so much a man can take. More blood on their hands.
- davidgerard 14y agoJSTOR's claims of innocence are simply not credible.
- alrs 14y agoFuck this country. EDIT: The guy was facing 13 felony counts for downloading academic articles.
- wedtm 14y agoContext?
- sliverstorm 14y ago"Everything bad that happens is because this country sucks, everything good that happens is because our community is awesome".
- alrs 14y agohttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/09/aaron-swartz-felony/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/09/aaron-swartz-felony...
- w1ntermute 14y agoHe was being charged with the felony of downloading/distributing research done using public funding so that it could be made freely available to the taxpayers who funded it. JSTOR had no interest in prosecuting him, but the US Attorney's Office decided to go ahead anyway.
- lominming 14y agoHe made huge impact in the tech world. RIP
- biesnecker 14y agoThat is so goddamn sad. Rest in peace, Aaron.
- firloop 14y agoIt's always a shame when someone commits suicide in a situation like this. There's always a better option. Everyone makes mistakes. I've seen this happen in my own life. I had a family friend that committed suicide after being indicted of a felony DUI charge because he swore he never would go to prison. Tragic. My thoughts are with his family.
- edwardunknown 14y agoI admired him quite a bit after the JSTOR thing.
- TimSchumann 14y agoI think it's tragic that we all, with our laws and courts and systems of 'justice', can ruin a brilliant kid's life to the point where he decides it's not worth living anymore. All over 'stealing' some ideas.
- _p6xs 14y agoYou can see some of his recent work here https://github.com/webpy/webpy https://github.com/webpy/webpy
- Claudus 14y agoHere's the JSTOR Statement related to the downloading incident: http://about.jstor.org/news/jstor-statement-misuse-incident-and-criminal-case http://about.jstor.org/news/jstor-statement-misuse-incident-... What Happened Last fall and winter, JSTOR experienced a significant misuse of our database. A substantial portion of our publisher partners’ content was downloaded in an unauthorized fashion using the network at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, one of our participating institutions. The content taken was systematically downloaded using an approach designed to avoid detection by our monitoring systems. The downloaded content included more than 4 million articles, book reviews, and other content from our publisher partners' academic journals and other publications; it did not include any personally identifying information about JSTOR users. We stopped this downloading activity, and the individual responsible, Mr. Swartz, was identified. We secured from Mr. Swartz the content that was taken, and received confirmation that the content was not and would not be used, copied, transferred, or distributed. The criminal investigation and today’s indictment of Mr. Swartz has been directed by the United States Attorney’s Office. It was the government’s decision whether to prosecute, not JSTOR’s. As noted previously, our interest was in securing the content. Once this was achieved, we had no interest in this becoming an ongoing legal matter.
- monsterix 14y agoCan we not know who exactly (their faces/names etc.) were the people working in the "US Attorney Office" bent to indict him? It's easy for people to term it was not JSTOR, it was the Attorney Office but ultimately these things happen only because people forget how to treat other people properly.
- rdtsc 14y agoPresumably DOJ doesn't flip coins to decide which cases to handle as there is considerable time, money and other resources involved in each case. It would be interesting to know how much political and lobbying interests influence those prosecutions. I could not find anything of substance on this topic. JSTOR can of course officially deny everything, but other publishers, along with MPAA would probably have a vested interest in turning him into an example. Presumably, from what I had just read here, Aaron's political views wouldn't exactly been too popular with the US govt -- maybe this is just enough to put his case at the top of the stack.
- jspthrowaway2 14y agoI have no words. I've been sitting with my phone's cursor blinking in this box and, for the first time in a long time, my stomach has turned so much from this news that I have nothing to write. What an absolutely dreadful shame. My heart is wrenched for his family and all of us, who lost a brilliant young man. I'm a month older than he was, and to imagine someone my age thinking there was no way out... with all of the possibilities of his life, a life just beginning. Christ.
- usaphp 14y agoWhen you are faced with 35 years of jail and $1Mln fine - i guess you start thinking out of the box...
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- revskill 14y agoWhat about being in jail with a laptop and internet ? That kind of prison seems more human in this case.
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- guyzero 14y agoA lot of prisoners have no access to the outside world, including the internet. Many prisons lack even a basic library. Inmates working with The Last Mile (http://thelastmile.org/ http://thelastmile.org/) tweet by passing their tweets written on paper to volunteers who actually enter them.
- ckelly 14y agoThis is so sad. I just responded today to an email from him about demandprogress.org. RIP.
- littledot5566 14y agoRIP Aaron...
- coderholic 14y agoWow. Shocking news! I've been reading Aaron's stuff online and following him on twitter for years. Only last week I re-read his amazing "Raw Nerve" blog post series http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve Lost for words!
- pbateman 14y agoA tragedy that this caring young man has taken his own life. My heart goes out to his family. This feels a bit inappropriate but at the moment I hope that some members of the US Attorney's Office are wracked by guilt.
- colmvp 14y agoWouldn't they just perceive this as some sort of admission of guilt?
- jlgreco 14y agoDisgustingly, that would not surprise me.
- pbateman 14y agoProbably. To be honest if I had to imagine the people at the attorney's office who decided to prosecute this I'd imagine vaguely malevolent bureaucratic dullards who derive validation from enforcing the rules in a heavy handed fashion.
- puppetsock 14y agoYou're being a bit unfair. It's equally inappropriate for me to speculate about his motives, but I recall there being an undercurrent of melancholia in Aaron's writings even pre-indictment.
- pbateman 14y agoI'm being quite restrained. I'm calling for a feeling of guilt, not their public lynching. If I'd been involved in the prosecution I'd be feeling guilty for proceeding in too heavy-handed a fashion and I'm sure most of the people on this forum would too[1]. Frankly if someone is incapable of self-recrimination when something like this arises I don't want them in this kind of role. [1] Of course this presupposes a motivation of "doing what's best for the country/society" and not "showing this uppity young guy who's boss".
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- aerolite 14y agoFuck :(
- mjdk 14y agoAaron was one of the genuinely good guys. May he rest in peace.
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- toyg 14y agoEvery single person employed by the US Attorney Office involved in this tragedy should be sued to hell by the family. Have some goddamn responsibility for once. This is utterly disgraceful, I feel for his family.
- krzyk 14y agoDid any of the employees of US Attorney Office forced him (like putting a gun to a head of one of his loved ones) to do it? It was his own choice to end his life.
- jlgreco 14y agoIf it is a depressed person's "choice" to kill themselves, then perhaps we should simply treat depression by telling people "Hey, have you tried not being sad?". What a childish attitude towards a complex issue.
- krzyk 14y agoOh, do you think that it's better to walk on your toes when you are walking pass anyone, just because they might have depression and you might trigger them to commit suicide? How anyone can know that if you accuse someone of committing a crime, that someone will get so depressed that he will kill himself? Do you propose to just get rid of courts? What's this attitude on HN to praise suiciders?
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- jacques_chester 14y agoThis is terrible news. Depression is treatable. If you find that you are thinking about suicide, even speculatively, seek help immediately. You are not alone and it will get better.
- catch23 14y agodid he have a history of depression? perhaps it was simply due to stress or pressure? The thought of spending the next 35 years in prison for downloading documents can be pretty painful... probably as bad as someone who was wrongfully tried for murder.
- jacques_chester 14y agoDepression is the leading cause of suicide. Almost all suicides are somehow connected to it. It can have many causes. Sometimes it's innate to the person, sometimes it's brought on by circumstances; oftentimes multiple factors are involved. But the bottom line is: If you are thinking about suicide, get help. Right now.
- lhnz 14y agoDo you have experience recovering from depression?
- jacques_chester 14y agoYes. I've been suicidally depressed. I'm one of the fortunate people for whom first-line SSRIs (in my case, sertraline) are very effective. I no longer rely on the meds, but I have additional comfort knowing that they're there if I need them. I still have bad patches. And it's weird, being inside yourself, intellectually cognisant that this emotion of pointlessness and worthlessness is an illusion, that it doesn't exist -- yet being, sometimes, unable to beat it. I know that, left to build gravity, the black spiral is stronger than me because it is me. But I also know that the treatment is stronger. And that is there, if I ever need it again. If I ever get too many of those days in a row, I won't hesitate to seek help. And neither should anybody else. The suffering is entirely unnecessary. Get help. You are not alone. It gets better.
- antics 14y agoBetter eulogies will follow, to be sure, but in the mean time, much of what can be said about him is captured in a touching talk he gave called "How to Get a Job Like Mine" [1]. What I think is especially touching about this is how he gently deconstructs his success, demystifying his own legend by pulling back the curtain on what would have otherwise appeared to be a string of miraculous accomplishments. In the process, he reveals himself to be a sensitive, seemingly grateful, and thoughtful person. May he be remembered well; he seems to deserve it. [1] https://aaronsw.jottit.com/howtoget https://aaronsw.jottit.com/howtoget
- cezary 14y ago'I thought of suicide.' I winced when I got to that. It's sad to think this isn't the first time he's had these thoughts and how long he must have had them. Rest in peace.
- e40 14y agoI ran from the police. I wonder what that meant (appears just after the sentence you quote).
- nanook 14y ago> he reveals himself to be a sensitive, seemingly grateful, and thoughtful person. Definitely. He wrote a bunch of blogposts last year on improving life, called "Raw Nerve": http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve Wonderful writing.
- mailshanx 14y agoThis. I first saw a raw_nerve post here on HN, and that's how i got to know of Aaron. Such writing requires an ability for introspection, among many other things. I find it hard to contemplate how someone with such a mind could possibly commit suicide. Sad day, indeed :(.
- pretoriusB 14y agoNicely written, yes, but today's news is not a testament to those writings' effectiveness.
- wyclif 14y agoShocking and saddening. I've been working with Python lately and feel a particular loss because of web.py and all the other good work he did. My prayers go out to his family. I wonder why some people here are assuming this tragedy is because of the JSTOR incident. It seems to me that everyone should just meditate on what's been lost, and defer judgement about why he would do this until there is evidence.
- ceol 14y ago> I wonder why some people here are assuming this tragedy is because of the JSTOR incident. It seems to me that everyone should just meditate on what's been lost, and defer judgement about why he would do this until there is evidence. Thank you so much. It's awful to see people in here blaming the trial when suicide is much more complex than a single incident pushing someone to the edge like that.
- benesch 14y agoSee charonn0's comment below (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5047044 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5047044). "This sort of stress tends to eat away at your insides. You can't make long-term plans of any kind; meet a nice person at the bar and you're reminded that you can't start anything serious since you might be going away for a long time. A thousand tiny reminders every day that you are already a prisoner and will be for an indefinite period while the lawyers are lawyering. All the defendant has is time to think about is what prison would be like, how the course of their life is not in their hands. It is a feeling of abject powerlessness."
- ceol 14y agoApparently he suffered from depression for many years: http://boingboing.net/2013/01/12/rip-aaron-swartz.html http://boingboing.net/2013/01/12/rip-aaron-swartz.html
- bijupunalor 14y agoOMG, the shock of it ... He was such a terrific writer, easy to see why he could code so well
- ilamparithi 14y agoAs someone who has read pg's writings and watched YC grew, the reddit story is very close to my heart. I always felt I knew Aaron, Steve and Alexis well even though I never met or interacted with them. This is such a shock. RIP.
- rdtsc 14y agoFor some reason this is a shock to me. It shouldn't be, I didn't know the guy. But I was just playing with web.py framework. It is so strange, I thought just today, I wonder if Aaron would accept a pull request, I could see a few things to improve. Looking back at his activity on github he was pulling in commits less than a week ago: https://github.com/aaronsw?tab=activity https://github.com/aaronsw?tab=activity I don't know details about the "JSTOR" case or about what he did at Reddit but I can see in his code that he cared and wanted to make something better, smaller and elegant. I respect that and it is a loss to have him gone forever.
- snprbob86 14y agoI also never met him, but this really upsets me too. It was a bummer when I saw the headline, but I'm really, really upset now that I was reminded of his legal troubles. Suicide is complex, so I don't want to speculate on whether or not he committed suicide to avoid a trial and probably incarceration. Regardless, it had to be a factor and it certainly fucked up his life somewhere between a little bit and a lot a bit. When I realized just how many spiders I've written... When I think about that spider with a $240B+ market cap... When I think "This could have been me or one of my friends"... I started to cry :-(
- chewxy 14y agoWeb.py is actually a fantastic library. There still is Anand maintaining web.py I guess. RIP I guess.
- robbiet480 14y agoWill HN's colors be going black?
- catch23 14y agothis was posted an hour ago, pg is probably in bed already.
- kanzure 14y agoJust the other day I emailed aaronsw asking about OCLC and his plans to topple it. His response wasn't very optimistic. I should have asked him a more humane question, like "sup" or "how's it hanging". For whatever reason, I keep bumping into his work, whether it's through the python world or through BOSSlab, geurrilla open access, or The Sprouts. He has had a very strong impact on some very important problems in the world. I suspect that he might have seen some (perhaps twisted) value in being a martyr, especially in the face of extreme stress.. So far I prefer the living version of aaronsw. I think a lot of us can see parts of each other in Aaron, both in his values and work. Another someone pointed out, just how many spiders have you written? Everyone does it, but hardly nobody talks about it. Is it really so terrible that we want to read science? or share code? And then this happens. All of the criminal documents from his last court case are published on the Internet Archive. This one in particular is rather thrilling to read: http://ia601205.us.archive.org/25/items/UsaV.AaronSwartz-CriminalDocument53/UsaV.AaronSwartz-CriminalDocument53.pdf http://ia601205.us.archive.org/25/items/UsaV.AaronSwartz-Cri... "An analysis of one of the fingerprints on the Acer laptop purchased and used by the defendant cannot exclude his friend, Alec Resnick." "Promises, rewards, or inducements have been given to witness Erin Quinn Norton. Copies of the letter agreement with her and order of immunity with respect to her grand jury testimony are disclosed on Disk 3." "a. The computer was registered under the fictitious guest name “Gary Host.” b. The computer’s client name was specified as “ghost laptop.” A computer’s client name helps to identify it on a network and can be chosen by its user. In this case, the name was simply created by abridging the pseudonym “Gary Host,” combining the first initial “g” with the last name “host.” c. The fictitious “Gary Host’s” e-mail address was identified as “ghost@mailinator.com.” This was a “throwaway” e-mail address. Mailinator is a free, disposable e-mail service that allows a user to create a new e-mail address as needed, without even registering the address with Mailinator. Mailinator provides this service for users to have an anonymous and temporary e-mail address. Mailinator accepts mail for any e-mail address directed to the mailinator.com domain without need for a prior registration, and it allows anyone in the world to read that mail without having to create an account or enter a password. All mail sent to mailinator.com is automatically deleted after several hours whether read or not." "... "The defendant has requested first that the government provide ".. any and all notes and reports provided to USSS or USAO by CERT in relation to the forensic analysis of the ACER laptop, or any analysis of any evidence including but not limited to the PCAP log information"." `.. earlier posted on one of his websites, guerrillaopenaccess.com, a call-to-arms entitled "Guerrilla Open Access Manifesto" which concluded "We need to download scientific journals and upload them to file sharing networks. We need to fight for Guerrilla Open Access."` Context for some of these quotes can be found here: http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-09-15.log http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-09-15.log http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=aaronsw http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=aaronsw
- jeswin 14y agoThis is tragic. :( You were an inspiration at times. And more importantly, one among those who make people want to change for the better.
- bpdthrow 14y agoAaron suffered from a brain disorder. He had documented periods of extreme withdrawn depression and others of mild manic productivity. Because of that brain disorder, perhaps because it was not attacked with the requisite treatment, he is dead. If you or a loved one are ever feeling suicidal, depressed, or are acting abnormally erratic, contact an expert. It's nothing to be ashamed about. It's just a lottery of genetic expression. There are others going through the same thing. There are excellent treatments available, and they get better each year. You might save someone's life. http://www.reddit.com/r/suicidewatch http://www.reddit.com/r/suicidewatch http://www.reddit.com/r/depression http://www.reddit.com/r/depression http://www.reddit.com/r/bipolarreddit http://www.reddit.com/r/bipolarreddit I find it bizarre how quickly our minds jump to impossibly unlikely reasons when tragic events like this happen. Troubles with the justice department don't alone cause a bright young man to kill himself. > I was miserable. I couldn't stand San Francisco. I couldn't stand office life. I couldn't stand Wired. I took a long Christmas vacation. I got sick. I thought of suicide. I ran from the police. And when I got back on Monday morning, I was asked to resign. > I followed these rules. And here I am today, with a dozen projects on my plate and my stress level through the roof once again. https://aaronsw.jottit.com/howtoget https://aaronsw.jottit.com/howtoget http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/dying http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/dying > I have a lot of illnesses. I don’t talk about it much, for a variety of reasons. I feel ashamed to have an illness. (It sounds absurd, but there still is an enormous stigma around being sick.) > Sadly, depression (like other mental illnesses, especially addiction) is not seen as “real” enough to deserve the investment and awareness of conditions like breast cancer (1 in 8) or AIDS (1 in 150). And there is, of course, the shame. http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/verysick http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/verysick In his short life Aaron has produced a wonderful collection of writing, code, and actions, which will all be available for years to come. He will be missed. His effects have not yet ceased.
- rdl 14y agoThis makes me think of Len Sassaman's (cypherpunk, remailer developer,etc.) suicide from 18 months ago :( It's terrible when anyone kills himself, but when it's someone who was doing something which pushed the limits like this, it's worse.
- Tichy 14y agoVery sad, and very unexpected. He had so many interesting things going on.
- kaeawc 14y agoRIP Aaron.
- erik757 14y agoI didn't know Aaron, but I've been using web.py for years, so I kind of felt like I knew him from hanging around the online community. I really don't know what to say - he was incredibly intelligent, and made great contributions - the 'net gets a little lonelier every time we lose someone like this. :( RIP.
- nanook 14y agoTerrible terrible news. What troubles me the most is that this could happen to any one of us. RIP Aaron.
- flexd 14y agoI am deeply sorry to hear about this and it brings back memories of last year when a friend of mine did the same. Depression is a terrible thing, and I hope we are one day able to cure it. It is treatable, seek help immediately if you are thinking about suicide! I hate that you cannot look upon someone and instantly know if they are depressed or not. If I could, I would drop everything to help a person I saw having trouble. I hope Aaron found peace, and I wish his family the best.
- thomasvendetta 14y agoRest in peace Aaron. Someone I looked up to in more ways than words any words can explain.
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- sctechie 14y agoTrue shame. Regardless of your opinion of his actions concerning JSTOR, it's undeniable he made a positive contribution to the web.
- Udo 14y agoIt's simply awe-inspiring how much he was able to do with his short life. Time to revisit one of my favourite talks: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4GwftoQElJ0 http://youtube.com/watch?v=4GwftoQElJ0
- benesch 14y agoThis talk makes me sick to my stomach. There's so much life, so much energy, so much passion. So much potential—you can feel, through a videotaped talk no less—that he wants to go somewhere in life. What a screwed up world.
- Udo 14y agoAgreed. Others already described it as a waste, and it's hard to disagree with the sentiment, but I doubt he would have been able to appreciate the amazing life he lived. In some of his writings there is little room for anything but the immediacy of his crippling disease and it's all the more inspiring what he was able to accomplish even while battling this condition.
- thinkcomp 14y agoThis makes me incredibly sad. The work I do now is made possible by Aaron's work on PACER (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13records.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13records.html). We are all in his debt. Accordingly, I've added a memorial banner to PlainSite to ensure that everyone who uses it daily to find cases (including many in government and the DOJ specifically) will be reminded of his contribution--one of many.
- jerrya 14y agoOh gosh, I am so sorry to read this. I communicated with him once or twice re: rss, and I enjoyed his postings at photo net. He was young, bright, witty. This is terrible. I will miss you Aaron, I had such hopes for you.
- seeingfurther 14y agoThis should be a call to action to academia. Please open your journal archives to the online community free of charge.
- gstar 14y agoSo sad to lose someone that's made such a dent on the world so young.
- rve 14y agoRIP AARON
- pyroMax 14y agoIt's a sad, sad world we live in. RIP Aaron.
- wjs9889 14y agoRIP
- nitalumnus 14y agoJust read the talk. I didn't realise it was given at the college I studied in. Sad to hear the news. Only today morning my daughter was saying how depressing classes are at school because every subject they study talks about how humans might become extinct. We can sometimes get too focused on problems and such times all that we need is a person to just say "It is not too bad. There are good things happening as well". Perhaps a lot of suicides are down to this missing person in our lives. We are all more connected thanks to the Internet, and also increasingly isolated.
- iwasthere 14y agoApparently the little bitch cut his own wrists lol.
- gfunk911 14y agoI've thought of suicide. Not "seriously," but it's crossed my mind. Sometimes life just seems so hard. My reaction to this is that he was a brilliant guy, and it was such a waste. Such a pointless waste. It makes the idea of giving up myself seem so wrong. Rest in Peace Aaron. I'm sorry it had to end this way.
- jacques_chester 14y ago> I've thought of suicide. Not "seriously," but it's crossed my mind. If it happens again, get help. I'm quite serious.
- gfunk911 14y agoI started seeing a therapist recently, to address the issues that lead to my depression. If things go south on me again, I have someone to talk to. Kind of like having a lawyer on retainer. Thank you for your compassion.
- madaxe 14y agoPerfectly possible to think about it but never act. I don't think there's been a day in my life in which I haven't contemplated the ramifications of offing myself. Each and every time, I reach the same conclusion - it would be pointless. Null isn't a value, so I'd rather strive for happiness, even if my mood usually lurks around -1.
- jacques_chester 14y agoI don't mean to seem rude, but please, seek help. This doesn't sound like a healthy way to think and feel.
- jspthrowaway2 14y agoHe has a point, though. It's pretty conservative to say "get help" for every thought about suicide. I think there's a difference between thinking about doing it or, say, wondering what death is like or whether you'd have the stones to go through with it. Honestly, I wonder what death is like a lot. That being said, I tend to agree with you to be more conservative, but I've had similar thoughts as the guy you're replying to and know without a doubt that I'd never kill myself. Of course, there's probably a psychological argument that me knowing that is up for debate. (Don't take this as displeasure with your efforts in this thread: thank you.)
- wilfra 14y agoRIP. So sad. Like many others here, may path also crossed his several times as I kept bumping into his work. He had a ton of really cool side projects. I pinged him a few times about some of them and he was always really gracious and helpful in his responses. I didn't find out his stature in the community (reddit cofounder etc) until recently and was shocked he had taken the time to reply to me. As for the reason he did this now: I'm sure it was a combination of things that had built up over many years, however in a criminal case like this, now would be the time his lawyer would be attempting to work out a plea bargain with the prosecutors. If they were demanding a long prison sentence and multiple felony convictions, and the evidence against him was very strong (as it sounds like it was) many people would probably contemplate suicide.
- fharper1961 14y agoThis has hit me hard. So much potential, and gone so young. So sad. Rest in peace Aaron.
- olefoo 14y agoAaron, I miss you, we never met, but you inspired me. You burned so brightly, yet so briefly.
- faramarz 14y agoI can't stop reading his writings. He was a talented writer, amongst other things. I really feel the connection even though I never met him. My condolences to his family and the entire community. :(
- paraschopra 14y agoIt's easy to deride suicide but fact of the matter is that it is the final but a very powerful option we have at our disposal. Instead of saying that a particular person should not have committed suicide, our hope should be that if a suicide happens, it is well thought through and is not done in haste. If a particular person decides that decades of painful life is much worse than simply ending the existence, who are we to question such a personal decision? Of course, if everything was alright, I would have loved to see Aaron existing in this world for many more years and do wonderful things but not knowing what led him to this step and how he judged the current/future life for himself. Simply commenting that he should not have committed suicide is being insensitive to a person who has already done so much great work for humanity. Life is not always better than no life. Context matters. A lot.
- gfunk911 14y agoYou made me think. The idea that I have the option to end it makes life more bearable. Give it your best go and reevaluate.
- pretoriusB 14y agoAs Nietzsche put it: "The thought of suicide is a great consolation: by means of it one gets through many a dark night."
- ck2 14y agoWhat you are saying makes some sense if and only if it's a choice done NOT out of mental illness - ie. depression This news is horrifying and only sadness to me, I don't think it was a healthy choice. We really need to address the stigma of depression in this country and make it easy and painless to ask for help. That help should be free and readily available.
- daeken 14y agoAs someone who's suffered from mental illness for most of his life, I disagree. While I have things largely under control these days, it had nothing to do with the professional help that was offered/forced on me; in fact, it was a huge impediment. Receiving help is not a panacea, and I can't blame anyone who's dealt with it for a long time for completely lacking hope. I don't think suicide is the answer, but I can at least see the point of view; after all, I could've seen myself going down the same path, if I hadn't figured out how to cope.
- alexqgb 14y agoMeanwhile, the guys who wiped out literally trillions of dollars of wealth by cratered the global economy in an orgy of greed, fraud, and reckless disregard for everything but their own inflated bonuses couldn't get arrested if they tired. There are a lot of things wrong with this situation, but the egregiously misaligned priorities of the US Attorneys are near the top of the list.
- mr_ocd 14y agoGoes to show that peeps who never had to work for their money get too confused about their life.
- shuaib 14y agoThis is just absolutely shocking. Aaron Swartz was an inspiration. To know that a person you looked up to, someone from whom you learned so much through his writings and his projects, ended up finishing his life like that... Speechless!
- jacquesm 14y agoMan this so sucks. If you hit someone with enough felony counts sooner or later something can snap. This in response to those that claim the DOJ didn't have anything to do with Aaron killing himself. For some people the mere fact of being suspected of a crime they didn't commit is enough to push them over the edge. When you're placed in a holding cell the police will remove your laces from your boots so you don't hang yourself, that's how heavy being imprisoned can weigh on some. Aaron did something that he thought was right, that he truly believed in and that upset a large number of applecarts and that had far reaching implications, had the proverbial book thrown at him and then some. The prospect of significant amounts of jail time (35 years for downloading scientific papers, it shouldn't even be a crime) and/or a felony record must have weighed very heavy on him. For a person that is of a very stable mental make-up that would already be extreme pressure. For someone with a mental issue it may very well be all it takes. Aaron was inspiring to me, I think that no copyrighted piece of paper is worth a human life and that the DOJ, even if they are not directly responsible at least indirectly carry some of the responsibility here for beating down someone who was fighting for an extremely good cause in a somewhat haphazard way. The letter of the law and the spirit of the law should both be taken into account. I hope those that had a hand in Aarons' continued prosecution will sleep miserably for a long time to come. Likely it won't weigh on their consciousness at all.
- judofyr 14y ago> If you hit someone with enough felony counts sooner or later something will snap. Can we stop the speculations until we actually know what happened? :-(
- level09 14y agoShit! one of the most brilliant minds of all time, his series raw nerve http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve has inspired hundreds of people including me to overcome life pain and depression. how could he just do that ? Aaron, you should have not done that .. I'm sure thousands of people of this community would have fought for you to get you out of your problems .. your contributions will always be remembered .. it's just so sad ..
- jtuyen 14y agoRIP Aaron. You will be missed.
- ifeltsweet 14y agoHe was an inspiration to me. What a loss to his family and internet. Rest in peace.
- gojomo 14y agohttp://qblog.aaronsw.com/post/38405145996/part-of-the-player-character-code-is-that-you http://qblog.aaronsw.com/post/38405145996/part-of-the-player...
- SquareWheel 14y agoHeadline is a little misleading as Reddit admins deny his cofounder status. http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/9r8on/aaron_swartz_cofounder_of_reddit_was_investigated/c0e2p9m http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/9r8on/aaron_swar... https://twitter.com/alexisohanian/status/93374221685755904 https://twitter.com/alexisohanian/status/93374221685755904 Still very sad, of course. I was fully in support of Aaron during the JSTOR fallout.
- guywithabike 14y agohttps://aaronsw.jottit.com/reddit https://aaronsw.jottit.com/reddit
- SquareWheel 14y agoI'm sorry, but merging with a company doesn't make you a cofounder of that company. You were not there when it was founded, thus it's not an applicable label. I'm just asking for a title correction, not trying to slander the guy.
- argumentum 14y agoNot the place for this argument.
- SquareWheel 14y agoDo quit it with the high and mighty attitude. I've made it very clear I'm not attempting to slander anybody, just clearing up a misconception. When you allow misinformation it will spread, and that shouldn't be acceptable.
- argumentum 14y agoIt's not so clear as you claim. It's disputed, and there are arguments both ways, as "reddit" was part of another company, "not a bug", which was the result of the merger w/infogami. Nonetheless I did not mean to appear "high and mighty", but that there are other threads regarding the reddit situation.
- bytetom 14y agoAt 24, he was just a kid. I can't even imagine the amount of stress in his life. Who are we to question or speculate on why he did what he wanted to do. I'm glad he contributed what he did in this world. I'm glad we had 24 years. He decided we weren't getting any more. I never feel sad for suicide. You can't tell people you want to do it or they will have your freedom taken away. Sorry for bad grammar... small comment boxes make me feel pressured to get out everything in a few lines quickly.
- bytetom 14y agoMaybe one of his new projects was body doubling and he is happily living Costa Rica? Wait... Where was McAfee?
- hybnost 14y agoMcAfee lol' Only loosers thought of Suicide.No one in this world live depression free life.Take the case of Lance Armstrong http://hybnost.com/index.php/why-lance-armstrong-is-still-an-inspiration-and-hope-for-millions/ http://hybnost.com/index.php/why-lance-armstrong-is-still-an...
- jervisfm 14y agoI didn't know aaronsw personally but I have just checked out his web.py that others have been praising and it's really neat because it's so simple. What an amazing piece of work. For others who may not be aware, just see this brief tutorial [1]. His writings on life and how to get better at it are also phenomenal [2] It's very sad that aaronsw is no longer with us for he was very gifted and talented. May he rest in peace and my thoughts go out to his family and friends. [1] - http://webpy.org/docs/0.3/tutorial http://webpy.org/docs/0.3/tutorial [2] - http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve
- zachlipton 14y ago.
- endlessvoid94 14y agoI'm so sorry to hear this. My heart goes out to the Swartz family. No matter anyone's contributions, this gets the volume turned down on everything else turned down. The only thing we have on this earth is time.
- shareme 14y agoshould we do a whitehouse petition to look into the DOJ abuse?
- geuis 14y agoIts sad that this is important and at the top of HN, yet Reddit is still full of cat pictures on the front page.
- oditogre 14y agoIt's #2 on my front page (via /r/news).
- xycodex 14y agoI am really upset by this. I normally feel pretty far away from news stories I read anywhere, but this feels close to home. =(
- mailshanx 14y agoAaron Swartz was an excellent programmer and writer. I have bumped into his code and writings often. The raw nerve series ( http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve ) have been especially influential in shaping my thinking. Above all, he was a wonderful human being: the world is a bit worse off and a sadder place without him. Rest in peace, Aaron.
- doe88 14y agoI'm sad, really sad. I didn't know him personally and have never spoken to him. But few times when I read one of his tweets or when I visited a page of his site from a link elsewhere, I was saying to myself that it should be hard to be in his position actually, that it must put your life on hold and shut any of your plans to be stuck in such a preposterous legal situation. I as a simple citizen command you Aaron Swartz for all your inspirational work, Thank You.
- tricolon 14y agoI never met Aaron Swartz but always wanted to. His work has had a profound impact on my life. His blog was thought-provoking. http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/ http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/ His work on the RSS 1.0 Specification enabled richer, more efficient information consumption. http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/spec http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/spec His work on Markdown enabled intuitive, unobtrusive formatting and structuring of information in plaintext and conversion to HTML. http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/#acknowledgements http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/#acknowledgement... His work on reddit enabled thousands—now millions—to share online information in a social manner. http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rewritingreddit http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rewritingreddit His work on the web.py framework gave countless Python programmers a head-start on serving information through web applications. http://webpy.org/ http://webpy.org/ His work with DemandProgress gave Americans a political voice to protect and win back their freedom and the freedom of information. http://blog.demandprogress.org/people http://blog.demandprogress.org/people His work with Creative Commons promoted the freedom of information and fair use and helped inform content creators of options other than copyright. http://creativecommons.org/ http://creativecommons.org/ Thank you, Aaron Swartz, for all the above and all the other activism and works (https://github.com/aaronsw https://github.com/aaronsw) I haven't mentioned here. You'll be missed and remembered by many. .
- kzar 14y agoNicely put, reading through your list I realise I've used half of it too! What a waste :(
- DustinBoyer 14y agoAaron was an old friend of mine, I really appreciate you making this.
- lhnz 14y ago. This guy was definitely making a positive impact in the world.
- dholowiski 14y agoMany sub-reddits have formed around various types of support groups. Reddit has changed my life, so I guess Aaron Swartz is partially to thank.
- gbraad 14y ago... Thank you Aaron. RIP
- auggierose 14y agoHere is a thing you can do: Boycott JSTOR from now on. And refuse to publish to any journal / conference that demands $10 or more for downloading a paper that should be free (if you are not that lucky to have access to a subscription of that journal / conference).
- beadmomsw 14y agoThank you all for your kind words and thoughts. Aaron has been depressed about his case/upcoming trial, but we had no idea what he was going through was this painful. Aaron was a terrific young man. He contributed a lot to the world in his short life and I regret the loss of all the things he had yet to accomplish. As you can imagine, we all miss him dearly. The grief is unfathomable. Aaron's mother
- jacquesm 14y agoI'm terribly sorry for what you have to go through, Aaron was a source of much inspiration to me, thank you for bringing such a wonderful person into the world. He did more in his short life than most of us will do in much longer ones, but he'll inspire for many years to come. I wish you and yours much strength.
- jfager 14y agoI am so sorry for your loss. Aaron was a true hero of mine, of the net, and of the world. We will all miss him greatly.
- mailshanx 14y agoI am terribly sorry for your loss. Aaron was a huge inspiration for me too, just as he was for countless others. He has accomplished more in his short life than most can in much longer ones. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family.
- herodot 14y agoAaron is a hero. I wish you and yours much strength.
- tatsuke95 14y agoVery sorry about your loss. It's a sad day.
- DanBC 14y agoLosing someone to suicide is terrible. I am so sorry that you're going through this. Many people had immense respect for your son. He was seen as a good person. Clever, decent, principled, kind, generous. > The grief is unfathomable. I cannot understand the depths of that grief. But yes, the grief is unfathomable.
- marvin 14y agoMy condolences to everyone who knew Aaron. This is really sad.
- bitL 14y agoR.I.P. Aaron! We miss you!
- rdl 14y agoThe other fucked up thing about this is that if he'd done this at Stanford, Berkeley, or anywhere else in the 9th Circuit (which is the best circuit!), or the 4th circuit, he wouldn't have been charged under CFAA. It's only the backward backwaters of the 5th, 7th, and 11th who would charge under CFAA. He was in the 1st, which hadn't yet ruled. SCOTUS would have been very likely to side with the 9th, since the 9th is the best in general, and was correct in this case. So, yet another reason to be angry -- this case was perfect for removing ToS violations from CFAA.
- smogzer 14y agohttps://www.google.com/search?q=doj+presecute https://www.google.com/search?q=doj+presecute gives me : DOJ Will Not Prosecute Goldman Sachs in Financial ... - ABC News 9 Aug 2012 – The Justice Department has decided it will not prosecute Goldman Sachs or its employees for their role in the financial crisis... http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/productivity http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/productivity Share the load Even if your friends aren’t cheerful, just working on a hard problem with someone else makes it much easier. For one thing, the mental weight gets spread across both people. For another, having someone else there forces you to work instead of getting distracted.
- mekarpeles 14y agoAaron, thank you for all you've done. It's had a tremendous impact on my life. Aaron had a really interesting blog post on pain worth reading called, "Leaning into the Pain". It's worth considering that pain doesn't just impact the individual. Try to let others help. http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/dalio http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/dalio
- markbao 14y agoI'd like to write something nice, but I'm in too much shock to even know where to start. He showed his brilliance through code and his humanity through his writing. And as much as it is "right" to respect him for his very personal decision, I can't help but wish he were still here. This is the premature end of the life of someone who could have dramatically changed the world. Reminds us that, now more than ever, that's our job here, too.
- andrewhyde 14y agoThe only way I can really react is to say that I'm here to talk for any friends (or anyone dammit). Community support is community.
- argumentum 14y agoHere's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do. rip
- smogzer 14y agoIn April 2011 i was accused of a small crime that could have given prison also. I was judged in January 2012 and accused to pay a fine of 500€ despite the accusation had no proofs. Every day i though about how to prove my innocence despite being a small accusation, it destroyed my work and mood for the whole year. How to fix ? if no damage was done there is nothing to accuse of. And distribution of knowledge should be free, or ransom ware the release of that info to the public should be made available upon compen$ation for the work done, ransomware maybe. Aaron ideals of greater good and sharing are nobler than any politician or any other bullshitter that get media coverage and have the power to change the world for the better.
- pajju 14y agoIn this blog article, he speaks a little about his illness - http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/verysick http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/verysick
- edwardliu 14y agoRIP Aaron. You were awesome.
- dscrd 14y agoWhy isn't this anywhere on reddit.com?
- sylvinus 14y agoIt was posted in /r/news but didn't make it to the front page. Weird indeed. http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/16ffph/reddit_cofounder_aaron_swartz_commits_suicide/ http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/16ffph/reddit_cofounde...
- stesch 14y agoThe news got removed from multiple subreddits. Even a picture of him was on the frontpage and on top of /r/pics/ for a short time is now removed.
- DanBC 14y agoThis is a good thing. I guess Reddit is trying to avoid the Werther Effect (copycat suicides) and a huge Reddit Mob attacking random bystanders.
- edw519 14y agoOH NO! Stunned & heartbroken.
- alaskamiller 14y agoI remember most of the teachings from those days, back in the early 2000's. Before hacking, before startups, before entrepreneurs, before changing the world felt like a cool, common thing. Before all of that, I remember this guy doing it, doing it well. And that inspired me to believe I can do it. An artist's only passion is to create, until the day you die. In between you fight all sorts of battles that they don't warn you about. But the most important being that when you create, you carry with you a savagery of sorts, of making something new, of living in the edge. And it's hard to survive. Nowadays we take for granted the Google style lunches and buslines, but being at the edge of something has always been trying to eke out in an hostile environment. But this guy was there, all day, all night. And that's special. Because it's an isolating experience. I get the same suicidal thoughts that drift in and out too. It's partly chemical and it's just your personality. When you stand outside of the system long enough, watch long enough, suffer the heartbreak of seeing the wrongs enough, you may end up there too. This was the glorious ending I wished for him. May he truly rest now in peace.
- DennisP 14y agoUpvoted before I got to the "glorious ending" line. Wish I could take it back.
- alaskamiller 14y agoTypo. Meant to write wasn't.
- DennisP 14y agoAhh, good. Thanks.
- ttl 14y agoMan. What a shame. We lost a seriously talented and creative guy.
- infoseckid 14y agoI was hoping to hear from PG on this .... :( nothing yet
- Laurentvw 14y agoI used to read his blog. Here's something I will always remember. When they sold Reddit to Conde Nast, back in 2007 or so, Aaron Swartz wrote something about it on his blog, saying how he felt about it and how he didn't have to worry about money anymore, etc. And then he decided to give away some money to startups in need. I replied to his blog post and he gave my old startup a $100 donation. It felt really generous. RIP Aaron.
- projectileboy 14y agoGoddamnit, this is just horrible. My sympathies to Aaron's friends and families. I always found his work and his writings interesting and sometimes even inspiring. Our society would have benefitted from an extra 60 years of this guy.
- hybnost 14y agoOnly loosers thought of Suicide.No one in this world live depression free life.Take the case of Lance Armstrong http://hybnost.com/index.php/why-lance-armstrong-is-still-an-inspiration-and-hope-for-millions/ http://hybnost.com/index.php/why-lance-armstrong-is-still-an...
- hybnost 14y agoOnly loosers thought of Suicide.No one in this world live depression free life.Take the case of Lance Armstrong http://hybnost.com/index.php/why-lance-armstrong-is-still-an-inspiration-and-hope-for-millions/ http://hybnost.com/index.php/why-lance-armstrong-is-still-an...
- BryantD 14y agoMy housemate committed suicide four years ago; his wife and I found the body. Since then my charity of choice has been AFSP: their programs and support were very important to nth of us afterwards. They do good work. http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&page_id=742A2CD1-073C-16AE-C84160536A4EC34F http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&p...
- rve 14y agoNo one blames Turing for his mental state, and Aaron faces things much tougher than him
- rooshdi 14y agoThank you for your activism. RIP Aaron.
- stesch 14y agoAnd all over Reddit the posts to the news get removed. :-(
- tonetheman 14y agowow. so sad.
- bongs 14y agoHow Google (and we) encourage suicide: The first link to "suicide" search results (https://www.google.com/search?q=suicide https://www.google.com/search?q=suicide) to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide which unfortunately has "Reasons" & "Methods" before "Prevention" and has no mention of why you shouldn't commit suicide. At the bottom of the first page of the results, the first related search is "suicide methods" http://imgur.com/7lJ02 http://imgur.com/7lJ02 Further search for "suicide methods" results in the following first three links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods http://wantdeath.blogspot.in/2011/07/fastest-and-painless-suicide-method.html http://wantdeath.blogspot.in/2011/07/fastest-and-painless-su... and http://frater.com/suicidelist.html http://frater.com/suicidelist.html There is no mention of why suicide is bad and it just gives the depressed person a way to end his/her life. I don't blame only Google, but I think the entire web & the web community (with SEO, SEM, etc) contributes a lot for this disaster.
- bane 14y agoIn his young life Aaron demonstrated that he wanted the world to have knowledge, ethics and community. I think the best way we can honor his legacy is to carry those things forward as best we can. RIP Aaron
- leothekim 14y agoWhat a terrible loss. Aaron had many fruitful years ahead of him. He left us far too early. My condolences to his family and loved ones. I hope at least this compels others who have depression to seek help for themselves.
- pajju 14y agoAaron Swartz's presence in various networks: In HN: http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=aaronsw http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=aaronsw Pinboard: https://pinboard.in/u:aaronsw https://pinboard.in/u:aaronsw His last tweet was on Jan 9th, https://twitter.com/aaronsw https://twitter.com/aaronsw Reddit: https://aaronsw.jottit.com/reddit https://aaronsw.jottit.com/reddit Google Scholar: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=PGTlB14AAAAJ http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=PGTlB14AAAAJ Writings: https://aaronsw.jottit.com/writings https://aaronsw.jottit.com/writings --------------------------------------------- Things he made: https://www.jottit.com/ https://www.jottit.com/ http://openlibrary.org/ http://openlibrary.org/ http://watchdog.net/ http://watchdog.net/ http://reddit.com/ http://reddit.com/ http://webpy.org/ http://webpy.org/ HN will miss your contributions. Rest in Peace. #Love.
- hxf148 14y agoI hope that you have found peace and a better place Aaron. It was too soon to lose you, we need the brave ones.
- revskill 14y agoR.I.P Aaron. You're get followed now and forever for all the good things you've done. We'll continue fighting for a better world.
- Harkins 14y agoDoes anyone have a copy of the source to theinfo.org or any of this previous versions? I have a complete archive of the mailing lists. I'd like to make sure it doesn't disappear, it and other things Aaron did inspired things I made.
- maxwin 14y agoCan pg or someone with the access please put the black bar on?
- tomh 14y agoI only met Aaron once, in 2000, when he looked like this: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000291 http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000291 I was always amazed that the wunderkind with the pizza stain on his shirt that visited us at Arsdigita University accomplished so much. He was reserved, but focused, forthright at such an early age. I couldn't help but feel he was a little disappointed in the rest of us, but he never showed it. RIP, Aaron. We'll miss you.
- unshornwolly 14y agoSad. Terrible news. I was just reading 5ish year old comments on reddit about him and suicide http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/1octb/reddit_cofounder_aaron_swartz_discusses_how_he/c1oe1d http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/1octb/reddit_cof... which lead my to this blog post of his describing a suicide http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/dying http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/dying I lost a friend to suicide. It is and was the worst thing ever. I still miss him dearly about 1.5 years on. Breaks my heart. My love and condolences to his friends and family.
- n_coats 14y agoRegardless of everything happening in his life, it's terrible in any instance when someone is pushed to the point where they rationalize taking their own life. Best wishes and thoughts to Aarons family and friends as they mourn during this horrible time.
- Eliezer 14y agoAaron Swartz may have left everything to Givewell. This makes it even sadder somehow in ways I can't fully describe. http://www.reddit.com/user/AaronSw#c4e7n4h http://www.reddit.com/user/AaronSw#c4e7n4h The same page shows that the last Reddit comment he ever made was on /r/HPMOR. I don't think I noticed at the time - I don't think I knew he was a fan. I have said and will say that Aaron Swartz acted heroically in trying to free the scientific literature. It was a good try.
- sergiotapia 14y agoSpez, from Reddit, says he isn't a cofounder: http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/d2njs/til_there_was_a_third_cofounder_of_reddit_who_was/c0x40yz http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/d2njs/til_the...
- cullenking 14y agoI read this as I was preparing to head to my brothers memorial service in a couple of hours. He committed suicide last week. I just wanted to say that I understand why some people do it. My brother suffered from schizophrenia - he was an incredibly nice and giving person who kept on hurting people due to his disease. I understand why he took his own life and I don't fault him for it. Of course I am incredibly sad about it and wish I could have done so much more, but 20 years of intense suffering wears on a person. We don't know the exact details behind Aaron's decision. A significant percent of the people who knew Stephen, even those who knew him well, didn't know about his diagnosis either. It's impossible to draw any more conclusion than "he was suffering and couldn't bear the burden anymore". My condolences to his family, I truly know what they are going through and it's absolutely shit.
- tspike 14y agoThis post terrifies me. My own brother has been diagnosed with schizophrenia (then they retracted that diagnosis and came up with a different one), but the bottom line is that he has been suffering for most of his life and it seems like no one can help him. It feels inevitable that a day will come that will bring tragedy in some form or another. I'm so sorry for your loss.
- berlinbrown 14y agoSo he could have gone to jail for hacking into the MIT machines/library. Machines where they knew had already gained access to.
- makmanalp 14y agoFor the record, a few months ago we had a back and forth about his writing process, and he was kind enough to write one of his pieces in one of those editors that keeps track of your changes so you can see the piece evolving. Very insightful. At the end of that, I wrote a reply commenting on what I thought about his writing process, and never got anything back. He must have not been feeling great at that point. I feel bad now.
- Keyframe 14y agoSuicide is almost never a solution. It's a real shame this couldn't be prevented in due time. Rest in peace!
- rationalbeaver 14y ago.
- shuaib 14y agoI know a lot is being speculated about how the whole JSTOR story is what could have possibly pushed Aaron over the edge. And I think the discussion is important in its own right, about easy access to academic journals. But, I think it is very important that we do get to know what it actually was that triggered this extreme act on part of Aaron. If someone as capable and intellectual as Aaron could fall prey to something that makes one end his life, what becomes of the average hacker who tries hard to achieve a level of success such as that of Aaron, and goes through phases of depression in life. There has to be more to it then just the JSTOR case.
- lenkite 14y agoThis is extremely tragic. The world is a horrible place when some of its best people loose all hope and choose to leave it early. It is quite crazy that that downloading scientific papers can incur sentences longer than the maximum for crimes such as rape, manslaughter, etc.
- ErikAugust 14y agoI wonder if the DOJ will charge Google with scraping the whole Internet.
- williamle8300 14y agoWhat can we do to help carry forward, and continue Aaron's work?
- onthedole 14y agoI find Aaron's responses on his own Wikipedia talk page quite a fascinating insight to his personality and humility. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aaron_Swartz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aaron_Swartz
- TommyDANGerous 14y agoOH my goodness this is terrible, my condolences to his friends and family.
- orangethirty 14y agoRest in peace, Mr. Swartz. As life moves as the currents in the ocean, some of us find ourselves in tropical paradises, whilst others are gifted the horrible cold of the artic. There are some who manage to hang on to another current and make headway towards warmer climates, there are some who do not. The world is now saddened to learn that you were caught up in the harsh artic cold of life. We could ask questions as to why did you not swim harder or faster, but none of us were in your place. Your short life was anything but worthy of such tragic end. You decided to leave too early, too soon. Still, your presence still lives through your work, the community you helped build, and the people you touched. Farewell.
- kghose 14y agoBasically: if you feel strongly about JSTOR and it's ilk do the following in order of preference 1. Publish in an open access journal 2. Publish in a regular journal and make YOUR version available in http://arxiv.org/ http://arxiv.org/ or your website It will get you more citations and you will do your part in disseminating science
- krmboya 14y agoThis is sad both for me as a person, and for the internet community as a whole. Aaron Swartz was the sort of person I wanted to be, his works, his personality, and what he stood for. Since nothing can ever be done to reverse this, may this occurence illuminate the fact that laws are made for people, and not people for laws..
- eriktrautman 14y agoIt's all over HN but Reddit's front page is still memes and cats.
- arrowgunz 14y agoThis is probably the first time a HN story has got so much traction in such little time. This explains how much people will miss Aaron. RIP bro.
- dguaraglia 14y agoMay he rest in peace and his legacy be remembered. That's all.
- dragons 14y agoI'm very sad. A piece of my hope is gone.
- jdthomas 14y agoThis is awful news. I haven't been in touch with Aaron for several years, but I had a brief encounter with him in 2008. I was between jobs and decided to help out with his watchdog.net project of the time. He was always incredibly kinda and once tracked down my number and called to check that I was OK after I was unexpectedly offline for a several days. Great guy; will be missed.
- staunch 14y agoRIP Aaron.
- benatkin 14y agoI was very saddened to hear this news. I posted my thoughts to my blog. http://benatkin.com/2013/01/12/rip-aaron-swartz/ http://benatkin.com/2013/01/12/rip-aaron-swartz/ He accomplished a lot, and taught us a lot, and I think most of us can still learn from him. http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/archive http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/archive
- siglesias 14y agoIf anybody is partial to listening to music during times like these, I recommend Tchaikovsky's Symphony no. 6 [1]. The fourth movement in particular is extraordinarily moving and an ice cold glimpse of disdain, depression, and ultimately the death (some say suicide) of a romantic genius [2]. Of course the entire work is something to behold in all its movements. 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._6_(Tchaikovsky) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._6_(Tchaikovsky) 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtLq8wj0p80 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtLq8wj0p80
- verysoftoiltppr 14y agoCan anyone find details about how he suicided? He might be faking is own death..
- winter_blue 14y agoWhen think about it, what PG's close friend and buddy Robert Tappan Morris did with bringing down a vast number of computer on the internet back then; was incomparably and inexorably worse. Yet, Robert Morris has had a great life, both as an acclaimed professor at the greatest technological institution that has ever existed (MIT), and of course as a key member of Y Combinator. Yet a petty non-criminal like Aaron is put through something infinitely worse than the "punishment" of community service that was dished out of RTM. Ha. Some justice system indeed!
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- mindcrime 14y agoWow, this is terribly, terribly sad news. :-( Wish there was more that could be said, but I guess the only appropriate thing is: R.I.P. aaronsw, you will be missed.
- richardofyork 14y agoI am very saddened by this young man's taking of his life and the apparent reckless pursuit by the Government to prosecute him for a seemingly minor "crime."
- snowpolar 14y agoSomehow, a part of me hopes that he will have a few scheduled blog posts that get posted on his weblog in the future, hopefully revealing more things we didn't know about. RIP Aaron Swartz.
- stevenkho 14y ago35 years for downloading something that is morally, and supposedly be free (funded by taxpayer money)? This is a big joke! I believe homicide cases dished out lighter sentences. If access to journals, or more accurately scientific research, is to be restricted in such manner, then all government should stop funding/ providing grants for scientific researches, at least not from taxpayers money. These interested parties, namely the journals publishers, should come out with such funds as eventually they are making money from such works. It's ridiculous for the public to fund their business. RIP Aaron Swartz.... you have make yourself heard, loud and clear, to the civil society.
- blueprint 14y agoI find it odd that, to my knowledge at least, no one on HN has so far noted the connection between Aaron's activism against the US government re: SOPA/PIPA and his terrible treatment by them. Surely it's one of the reasons why they went after him.
- operator 14y agoWe are all Aaron Swartz. Let's not let our generation down. Stick together people.