6 ms·

I’m not the biggest fan of Ed Zitron, but something he said that stuck with me is: OpenAI and Anthropic spend much time warning us about “what if powerful AIs

I’m not the biggest fan of Ed Zitron, but something he said that stuck with me is: OpenAI and Anthropic spend much time warning us about “what if powerful AIs got into the wrong hands?” But it’s already in the wrong hands.

passive 4d ago
Just the fact that Musk is in the conversation, and he's one of the most hated people on the planet, should give anyone pause as to whether we want these folk in charge of our future to any degree at all.
- monomyth 4d ago
  non sequitur
  - genxy 4d ago
    pareto parrot
  - dakolli 4d ago
    I think it has everything to do with the subject at hand. Elon, Dario and Altman are all terrible human beings, along with 99.99% of the rest of the ruling class. We don't need any of them, and we definitely shouldn't trust a single syllable that comes out their mouth.
    - qup 4d ago
      Young people who start companies that become successful are now "the ruling class"?
      - hdgvhicv 4d ago
        Money equals power. If you have the wealth you have the control. Any politicians are owned by you as you simply threaten to buy their opponent. The public can be brainwashed by a trillion dollar advertising industry. You own the platforms everyone communicates on. You have inprecented resources to bend the world to your will and your only competiton is other people equally wealthy.
      - dakolli 3d ago
        [flagged]
      - wpm 3d ago
        Yes.
- wincy 4d ago
  I think there are plenty of people that like Elon Musk. They just know to keep their mouth shut in front of the people that act like he’s the Antichrist.
  - tuatoru 4d ago
    And still others who think he has an difficult personality and set of beliefs, but who greatly respect his achievements.
  - ascorbic 4d ago
    Those are not incompatible. He can still be one of the most hated people on the planet, even if lots of people like him. The same would apply to all of the most hated people in history.
  - customguy 4d ago
    No, they don't keep their mouth shut, they just don't have any relevant arguments. Many people are liked by plenty people and also not hated for doing Hitler salutes and the like. That's the part that matters, not that "somebody likes them", which is true for everyone. Charles Manson had women lining up to marry him, so?
  - hdgvhicv 4d ago
    There are plenty who like him. There are plenty who wave confederate flags. There are plenty who support the mass corruption of the current administration. You’re technically correct yes.
    - falserum 3d ago
      “Technically correct" means a statement or action follows strict rules or exact facts precisely, even if it ignores the wider meaning or real-world intention. I think op was also actually-correct. (For better or worse, that is the objective reality; Musk still has lot of fans)
      - sjbzbeiks 3d ago
- deleted 4d ago
  [deleted]
- sph 4d ago
  Somehow I’m more afraid of it being in the hands of Altman, with his ‘I’m creating a better world for everyone’ god complex, than Musk who is just a run-of-the-mill sociopathic nerd. There is no one is more dangerous than one who believes he is doing the right thing.
  - UncleMeat 3d ago
    Musk is actively promoting white supremacy with his voice and fortune. That's not run-of-the-mill.
  - hdgvhicv 4d ago
    Someone with the resources to do things is far more dangerous than someone without. If you local librarian thinks He is doing the right thing he’s not going to cause massive war or destroy the economy and wipe out 2/3rd of crops. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. People like musk, altman, trump have unprecedented power in history - far more than the kings of medieval times.
    - sph 4d ago
      Thank you, but we're discussing who's the worse to decide the fate of humanity between Amodei, Musk and Altman, not if one should be afraid of their local librarian. All three currently hold a lot of power in their hands. Though I know I attracted all the downvotes for not agreeing with most Americans that Musk is the worst person since Adolf.
  - shakna 4d ago
    Sociopathic nerd, putting an awful lot of money into legalising CSAM, and interfering in elections domestic and foreign. Dunno if I'd rank Musk's danger down - he screams a certain ideology these days. He might well believe he is doing the right thing.
    - falserum 3d ago
      > awful lot of money into legalising CSAM Could I ask what you have in mind (I doubt there was a US bill for that; google won’t help me without knowing what to look for)
- brainwad 4d ago
  Musk being in the conversation is a great justification for Anthropic accelerationism. Who wants to live in the world where _Musk_ controls the AGI?
  - cyanydeez 4d ago
    I'm pretty sure the odds arn't 1/3, AI saves us. The thing that ties these three people together is money. Money is what will turn them to assholes, more than anything else. Now AI is likely just as, if not worse, than having a bunch of lackeys telling your farts, shits and piss liven up whatever room you're shitting in.
- timmg 3d ago
  > he's one of the most hated people on the planet Not saying you need to like Musk or his politics. But if he really is "one of the most hated people on the planet" it doesn't really say good things about the planet. He made electric cars viable. That is probably the single biggest thing helping us mitigate climate change. It would have come eventually, for sure. But he accelerated it. He also accelerated the space age. Maybe it doesn't impress everyone. But I think what SpaceX has done is amazing.
  - rewgs 3d ago
    He bought a car company and convinced everyone he founded it. But that's not the problem, really -- the problem is that everyone fawning over him and calling him the "real-life Tony Stark" wasn't enough for his blackhole of an ego. He's a Sieg Heil-ing man-baby who's so fragile he paid people to play video games for him. He called a a guy trying to save children a pedophile just because the guy rightly pointed out Elon's idea was stupid. He has a weird breeder fetish, while disowning children who call him out for his hateful, moronic politics and horrendous parenting (or lack thereof). He's illegally influenced elections and very potentially put his thumb on the scale. I could go on and on. The only thing that worries me about him being one of the most hated people on the planet is that not everyone thinks so and that he still somehow has fans.
  - dabauws 3d ago
    he can have done all of those great things and still be a twat.
  - nvme0n1p1 3d ago
    > He made electric cars viable. Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning made electric cars viable. Then 5 years later Musk became CEO of the company and started claiming he was a cofounder.
    - timmg 3d ago
      Dude. Electric cars have existed since the 1800s. Musk was the one that actually made them a practical thing. And most of the rest of the world is well on their way to electrifying their transportation.
fragmede 4d ago
It could be in worse hands though. Sama may be no saint, but better in his hands than Aum Shinrikyo fanatics.
- deleted 3d ago
  [deleted]
slim 3d ago
The whole world is in the wrong hands. Having AI in charge can represent hope actually.
- blooalien 3d ago
  > Having AI in charge can represent hope actually. If we can get "AI in charge" that was developed and is overseen by genuinely ethical individuals who truly and deeply understand the technology and how it actually works ... then maybe that might be true.

passive 4d ago

Just the fact that Musk is in the conversation, and he's one of the most hated people on the planet, should give anyone pause as to whether we want these folk in charge of our future to any degree at all.

monomyth 4d ago
non sequitur
- genxy 4d ago
  pareto parrot
- dakolli 4d ago
  I think it has everything to do with the subject at hand. Elon, Dario and Altman are all terrible human beings, along with 99.99% of the rest of the ruling class. We don't need any of them, and we definitely shouldn't trust a single syllable that comes out their mouth.
  - qup 4d ago
    Young people who start companies that become successful are now "the ruling class"?
    - hdgvhicv 4d ago
      Money equals power. If you have the wealth you have the control. Any politicians are owned by you as you simply threaten to buy their opponent. The public can be brainwashed by a trillion dollar advertising industry. You own the platforms everyone communicates on. You have inprecented resources to bend the world to your will and your only competiton is other people equally wealthy.
    - dakolli 3d ago
      [flagged]
    - wpm 3d ago
      Yes.
wincy 4d ago
I think there are plenty of people that like Elon Musk. They just know to keep their mouth shut in front of the people that act like he’s the Antichrist.
- tuatoru 4d ago
  And still others who think he has an difficult personality and set of beliefs, but who greatly respect his achievements.
- ascorbic 4d ago
  Those are not incompatible. He can still be one of the most hated people on the planet, even if lots of people like him. The same would apply to all of the most hated people in history.
- customguy 4d ago
  No, they don't keep their mouth shut, they just don't have any relevant arguments. Many people are liked by plenty people and also not hated for doing Hitler salutes and the like. That's the part that matters, not that "somebody likes them", which is true for everyone. Charles Manson had women lining up to marry him, so?
- hdgvhicv 4d ago
  There are plenty who like him. There are plenty who wave confederate flags. There are plenty who support the mass corruption of the current administration. You’re technically correct yes.
  - falserum 3d ago
    “Technically correct" means a statement or action follows strict rules or exact facts precisely, even if it ignores the wider meaning or real-world intention. I think op was also actually-correct. (For better or worse, that is the objective reality; Musk still has lot of fans)
    - sjbzbeiks 3d ago
deleted 4d ago
[deleted]
sph 4d ago
Somehow I’m more afraid of it being in the hands of Altman, with his ‘I’m creating a better world for everyone’ god complex, than Musk who is just a run-of-the-mill sociopathic nerd. There is no one is more dangerous than one who believes he is doing the right thing.
- UncleMeat 3d ago
  Musk is actively promoting white supremacy with his voice and fortune. That's not run-of-the-mill.
- hdgvhicv 4d ago
  Someone with the resources to do things is far more dangerous than someone without. If you local librarian thinks He is doing the right thing he’s not going to cause massive war or destroy the economy and wipe out 2/3rd of crops. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. People like musk, altman, trump have unprecedented power in history - far more than the kings of medieval times.
  - sph 4d ago
    Thank you, but we're discussing who's the worse to decide the fate of humanity between Amodei, Musk and Altman, not if one should be afraid of their local librarian. All three currently hold a lot of power in their hands. Though I know I attracted all the downvotes for not agreeing with most Americans that Musk is the worst person since Adolf.
- shakna 4d ago
  Sociopathic nerd, putting an awful lot of money into legalising CSAM, and interfering in elections domestic and foreign. Dunno if I'd rank Musk's danger down - he screams a certain ideology these days. He might well believe he is doing the right thing.
  - falserum 3d ago
    > awful lot of money into legalising CSAM Could I ask what you have in mind (I doubt there was a US bill for that; google won’t help me without knowing what to look for)
brainwad 4d ago
Musk being in the conversation is a great justification for Anthropic accelerationism. Who wants to live in the world where _Musk_ controls the AGI?
- cyanydeez 4d ago
  I'm pretty sure the odds arn't 1/3, AI saves us. The thing that ties these three people together is money. Money is what will turn them to assholes, more than anything else. Now AI is likely just as, if not worse, than having a bunch of lackeys telling your farts, shits and piss liven up whatever room you're shitting in.
timmg 3d ago
> he's one of the most hated people on the planet Not saying you need to like Musk or his politics. But if he really is "one of the most hated people on the planet" it doesn't really say good things about the planet. He made electric cars viable. That is probably the single biggest thing helping us mitigate climate change. It would have come eventually, for sure. But he accelerated it. He also accelerated the space age. Maybe it doesn't impress everyone. But I think what SpaceX has done is amazing.
- rewgs 3d ago
  He bought a car company and convinced everyone he founded it. But that's not the problem, really -- the problem is that everyone fawning over him and calling him the "real-life Tony Stark" wasn't enough for his blackhole of an ego. He's a Sieg Heil-ing man-baby who's so fragile he paid people to play video games for him. He called a a guy trying to save children a pedophile just because the guy rightly pointed out Elon's idea was stupid. He has a weird breeder fetish, while disowning children who call him out for his hateful, moronic politics and horrendous parenting (or lack thereof). He's illegally influenced elections and very potentially put his thumb on the scale. I could go on and on. The only thing that worries me about him being one of the most hated people on the planet is that not everyone thinks so and that he still somehow has fans.
- dabauws 3d ago
  he can have done all of those great things and still be a twat.
- nvme0n1p1 3d ago
  > He made electric cars viable. Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning made electric cars viable. Then 5 years later Musk became CEO of the company and started claiming he was a cofounder.
  - timmg 3d ago
    Dude. Electric cars have existed since the 1800s. Musk was the one that actually made them a practical thing. And most of the rest of the world is well on their way to electrifying their transportation.

fragmede 4d ago

It could be in worse hands though. Sama may be no saint, but better in his hands than Aum Shinrikyo fanatics.

deleted 3d ago
[deleted]

slim 3d ago

The whole world is in the wrong hands. Having AI in charge can represent hope actually.

blooalien 3d ago
> Having AI in charge can represent hope actually. If we can get "AI in charge" that was developed and is overseen by genuinely ethical individuals who truly and deeply understand the technology and how it actually works ... then maybe that might be true.