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Flock worker calls police on investigator filming public camera installation

55 points by driverdan 8d ago

orangeberrytea 3d ago
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- b112 3d ago
  Flock was seed round funded by YC, not "a YC company". It's not like they control it, manage it, and what was pitched may be significantly different than what happened since then. YC isn't perfect, but what words you use, and their order is important. And the way you're phrasing it, you make it sound as if they are a subsidiary of YC. Or as if YC is on the board. If any of these things are true, you should plainly state them. Otherwise, what you're saying is incorrect.
jqpabc123 8d ago
So they can film you but you can't film them? Double standard much?
- 0utcast 8d ago
  Yep they hate having a camera in their face, how ironic
FireBeyond 8d ago
I despise Flock. Have had plenty to say. But I suspect -this- was the reason, moreso than the filming the installation: > As Keefe began to shoot video, the installer saw him and immediately packed up his equipment and drove away, so Keefe also returned to his car and followed several cars behind, hoping to document the next stop. Not to say the installer wouldn't have anyway, but it's not inherently unreasonable to call 911 when someone is obviously following you.
- ButlerianJihad 8d ago
  > call 911 It is unreasonable, because 911 is for emergencies where life or property is imminently threatened. If you believe someone is watching and following you, then you can call the non-emergency number. Or your mom.
  - 1659447091 8d ago
    > If you believe someone is watching and following you, then you can call the non-emergency number. They can also drive to a police/fire station
  - cpburns2009 8d ago
    This is actually something I've wondered about. What is the non-emergency number?
    - ninju 8d ago
      You might have to google it because it's not standardized across the country https://www.google.com/search?q=police+non+emergency+number+in+my+area https://www.google.com/search?q=police+non+emergency+number+...
    - dghlsakjg 8d ago
      It’s just a regular phone number, so it depends what department you are trying to call. Google or a phone book is what you need.
      - cpburns2009 6d ago
        How do you know what number to Google? Here's a real example. The day after a storm I noticed a tree leaning on a powerline. This was ~20 miles from where I live in a different county and township. If I hadn't already lived in that area before, I would have no clue who it call. 911 isn't appropriate because it's not an emergency... but that does need to get fixed.
nielsbot 8d ago
FTA: > “I work with Flock Safety. And I called originally because I’m getting followed,” the installer can be heard telling a dispatcher in the recording of the call obtained by Atlanta News First Investigates. “I was getting harassed, pretty much. Taking videos and pictures. And now, the same vehicle that pulled over where I was working at has been following me.” …the irony
nielsbot 8d ago
I like to ask people who are pro blanket surveillance if they’d be ok with the police putting an Air Tag in their car
kotaKat 8d ago
> “Why can’t the person opt out? It’s because if your car gets stolen, if something were to happen, moreover, the government requires you to have a license plate. It’s the law. And it’s plain view information,” [Flock Safety’s Chief Communications Officer Josh ] Thomas said. “Your license plate is part of the plain view. And so why can’t you opt out. You can, if you want to opt out of society.” Unless you're part of the Karen HOAs that buy them - then you can be part of the community SafeList! https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/how-the-safe-list-solves-privacy-concerns-in-a-neighborhood https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/how-the-safe-list-solves-pr...

55 points by driverdan 8d ago

orangeberrytea 3d ago

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b112 3d ago
Flock was seed round funded by YC, not "a YC company". It's not like they control it, manage it, and what was pitched may be significantly different than what happened since then. YC isn't perfect, but what words you use, and their order is important. And the way you're phrasing it, you make it sound as if they are a subsidiary of YC. Or as if YC is on the board. If any of these things are true, you should plainly state them. Otherwise, what you're saying is incorrect.

jqpabc123 8d ago

So they can film you but you can't film them? Double standard much?

0utcast 8d ago
Yep they hate having a camera in their face, how ironic

FireBeyond 8d ago

I despise Flock. Have had plenty to say. But I suspect -this- was the reason, moreso than the filming the installation: > As Keefe began to shoot video, the installer saw him and immediately packed up his equipment and drove away, so Keefe also returned to his car and followed several cars behind, hoping to document the next stop. Not to say the installer wouldn't have anyway, but it's not inherently unreasonable to call 911 when someone is obviously following you.

ButlerianJihad 8d ago
> call 911 It is unreasonable, because 911 is for emergencies where life or property is imminently threatened. If you believe someone is watching and following you, then you can call the non-emergency number. Or your mom.
- 1659447091 8d ago
  > If you believe someone is watching and following you, then you can call the non-emergency number. They can also drive to a police/fire station
- cpburns2009 8d ago
  This is actually something I've wondered about. What is the non-emergency number?
  - ninju 8d ago
    You might have to google it because it's not standardized across the country https://www.google.com/search?q=police+non+emergency+number+in+my+area https://www.google.com/search?q=police+non+emergency+number+...
  - dghlsakjg 8d ago
    It’s just a regular phone number, so it depends what department you are trying to call. Google or a phone book is what you need.
    - cpburns2009 6d ago
      How do you know what number to Google? Here's a real example. The day after a storm I noticed a tree leaning on a powerline. This was ~20 miles from where I live in a different county and township. If I hadn't already lived in that area before, I would have no clue who it call. 911 isn't appropriate because it's not an emergency... but that does need to get fixed.

nielsbot 8d ago

FTA: > “I work with Flock Safety. And I called originally because I’m getting followed,” the installer can be heard telling a dispatcher in the recording of the call obtained by Atlanta News First Investigates. “I was getting harassed, pretty much. Taking videos and pictures. And now, the same vehicle that pulled over where I was working at has been following me.” …the irony

nielsbot 8d ago

I like to ask people who are pro blanket surveillance if they’d be ok with the police putting an Air Tag in their car

kotaKat 8d ago

> “Why can’t the person opt out? It’s because if your car gets stolen, if something were to happen, moreover, the government requires you to have a license plate. It’s the law. And it’s plain view information,” [Flock Safety’s Chief Communications Officer Josh ] Thomas said. “Your license plate is part of the plain view. And so why can’t you opt out. You can, if you want to opt out of society.” Unless you're part of the Karen HOAs that buy them - then you can be part of the community SafeList! https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/how-the-safe-list-solves-privacy-concerns-in-a-neighborhood https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/how-the-safe-list-solves-pr...