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If you get rid of copyright, half of movies will be sequels to other people's work from the previous year.

by cestith 15d ago

falcor84 15d ago
From my perspective from reading and watching fan fiction, these unofficial derived works are typically significantly more distinct and interesting than the official sequels, and I'd be cool with these getting bigger budgets.
- andsoitis 15d ago
  > From my perspective from reading and watching fan fiction, these unofficial derived works are typically significantly more distinct and interesting than the official sequels, and I'd be cool with these getting bigger budgets. This suggests that copyright isn't holding back these works...
  - inglor_cz 15d ago
    "This suggests that copyright isn't holding back these works..." IF the copyright holders are kind enough not to harass those fans for infringement. And this kindness is quite commonplace in some contexts (people writing stories about their favorite literary characters rarely get cease-and-desisted), but much less in others ("fanfic" movies about Mickey Mouse are a no-go even for free).
    - andsoitis 15d ago
      As an aside, I don’t know that fan fiction is the strongest case for originality!
      - falcor84 15d ago
        Maybe not the strongest, but definitely a case. For example, it's my understanding that many scholars believe that The Odyssey is fan fiction by a separate author(s) to that/those of The Iliad.
      - inglor_cz 15d ago
        Fanfic is subject to the Gauss curve like everything else. The Lord of the Rings is sorta-kinda fanfic to Beowulf, the Witcher is fanfic to Slavic and Celtic mythology. Neither of these two authors started as "big published renowned authors", they were both amateurs smitten by some earlier works. And yes, I realize again that in those particular examples, the original work was no longer protected. But that is irrelevant to the question of the derived work's quality.
jonhohle 15d ago
There would be no movies as we know them today. Studios couldn’t support making multi-hundred million dollar movies that are immediately free to everyone. Basically movies would become YouTube. It could potentially help theater owners, who provide a somewhat unique experience. That doesn’t seem very valued these days, though.
- antasvara 15d ago
  An exclusive theatrical window is one of the big reasons to go to a movie theater: you want to see a movie before it's available on streaming. Removing copyright seems like it would harm theaters pretty significantly.
  - jonhohle 15d ago
    The screen would become the thing. If anyone can watch anything anywhere at any time, having a 200 foot screen differentiates a theater from watching something on a phone. 99% of the time, people will choose the phone, will choose to watch sports on tv, etc. that remaining 1% might be a big enough market and without licensing fees, theaters have a lot more margin. Actually, it seems surprising they haven’t moved into sports (especially with sportsbooks becoming so popular).
    - cestith 15d ago
      Some cinemas do present some sporting events. The rights negotiations for sporting events are multi-layered and complex. Your average soccer or MLB game is not likely to be negotiated for that venue, and a whole-season license is unlikely. Playoffs, championships, and the like are sometimes worthwhile but it's not going to be the corner mom & pop cinemas paying for that content. It's going to be IMAX or Regal Cinemas or someone huge. For example the 2024 Summer Olympics, with NBC owning exclusive rights to the US market for video coverage (meaning NBC Universal, meaning Comcast) IMAX licensed the opening ceremony to be picked up from NBC and delivered to their US cinemas over IP with fixed latency. It was only the opening ceremony and no scored events. That involved NBC, IMAX, and LTN to carry the video in between. IMAX and NBC negotiated the rights and LTN got statements of agreement on that from NBC. There was involved planning and engineering work to make sure the technical part went smoothly. I'm sure the negotiations, contract writing, redlines, and final sign-off between the source and destination took longer than the tech work.

If you get rid of copyright, half of movies will be sequels to other people's work from the previous year.

by cestith 15d ago

If you get rid of copyright, half of movies will be sequels to other people's work from the previous year.

From my perspective from reading and watching fan fiction, these unofficial derived works are typically significantly more distinct and interesting than the official sequels, and I'd be cool with these getting bigger budgets.

andsoitis 15d ago
> From my perspective from reading and watching fan fiction, these unofficial derived works are typically significantly more distinct and interesting than the official sequels, and I'd be cool with these getting bigger budgets. This suggests that copyright isn't holding back these works...
- inglor_cz 15d ago
  "This suggests that copyright isn't holding back these works..." IF the copyright holders are kind enough not to harass those fans for infringement. And this kindness is quite commonplace in some contexts (people writing stories about their favorite literary characters rarely get cease-and-desisted), but much less in others ("fanfic" movies about Mickey Mouse are a no-go even for free).
  - andsoitis 15d ago
    As an aside, I don’t know that fan fiction is the strongest case for originality!
    - falcor84 15d ago
      Maybe not the strongest, but definitely a case. For example, it's my understanding that many scholars believe that The Odyssey is fan fiction by a separate author(s) to that/those of The Iliad.
    - inglor_cz 15d ago
      Fanfic is subject to the Gauss curve like everything else. The Lord of the Rings is sorta-kinda fanfic to Beowulf, the Witcher is fanfic to Slavic and Celtic mythology. Neither of these two authors started as "big published renowned authors", they were both amateurs smitten by some earlier works. And yes, I realize again that in those particular examples, the original work was no longer protected. But that is irrelevant to the question of the derived work's quality.

jonhohle 15d ago

There would be no movies as we know them today. Studios couldn’t support making multi-hundred million dollar movies that are immediately free to everyone. Basically movies would become YouTube. It could potentially help theater owners, who provide a somewhat unique experience. That doesn’t seem very valued these days, though.

antasvara 15d ago
An exclusive theatrical window is one of the big reasons to go to a movie theater: you want to see a movie before it's available on streaming. Removing copyright seems like it would harm theaters pretty significantly.
- jonhohle 15d ago
  The screen would become the thing. If anyone can watch anything anywhere at any time, having a 200 foot screen differentiates a theater from watching something on a phone. 99% of the time, people will choose the phone, will choose to watch sports on tv, etc. that remaining 1% might be a big enough market and without licensing fees, theaters have a lot more margin. Actually, it seems surprising they haven’t moved into sports (especially with sportsbooks becoming so popular).
  - cestith 15d ago
    Some cinemas do present some sporting events. The rights negotiations for sporting events are multi-layered and complex. Your average soccer or MLB game is not likely to be negotiated for that venue, and a whole-season license is unlikely. Playoffs, championships, and the like are sometimes worthwhile but it's not going to be the corner mom & pop cinemas paying for that content. It's going to be IMAX or Regal Cinemas or someone huge. For example the 2024 Summer Olympics, with NBC owning exclusive rights to the US market for video coverage (meaning NBC Universal, meaning Comcast) IMAX licensed the opening ceremony to be picked up from NBC and delivered to their US cinemas over IP with fixed latency. It was only the opening ceremony and no scored events. That involved NBC, IMAX, and LTN to carry the video in between. IMAX and NBC negotiated the rights and LTN got statements of agreement on that from NBC. There was involved planning and engineering work to make sure the technical part went smoothly. I'm sure the negotiations, contract writing, redlines, and final sign-off between the source and destination took longer than the tech work.