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It's always curious to me how property damage weighs the same or worse than violence against real humans. I've had people tell me with a straight face that bro

It's always curious to me how property damage weighs the same or worse than violence against real humans. I've had people tell me with a straight face that broken windows make one group just as bad as the group threatening violence based on ethnic lines. I don't get it.

meta_gunslinger 20d ago
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- MSFT_Edging 20d ago
  The Weather Underground committed over a dozen bombings back in the day and the only deaths were WU members from a failed explosive. The wikipedia page has a table of right-wing terror attacks while the page for left-wing terror mostly describes guerilla groups in civil wars. Generally no, Antifa is not a violent organization in the same way that violent white-nationalist/neonazi groups are violent. Antifa hasn't shot up a church/synagogue/mosque. Followers of modern fascist sects have. You're either willfully ignorant or purposefully biased to consider them on the same playing field.
  - meta_gunslinger 20d ago
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- 47282847 20d ago
  “Antifa has…” is like saying “Nerds have” or “Hackers have”. It is really only a broad label, either assigned by one self or by others. I know people who are strictly against any violence and still proud to use Antifa “branding”. Others wouldn’t want to be called Antifa but are called that by others. You are a HN user. Saying “HN users have enacted physical violence” and implying it is all of them is just utter bs.
  - meta_gunslinger 20d ago
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    - orwin 20d ago
      Fascists are just against the rule of law. They designed a multi tiered system where they have more rights than the one they judge inferior. An antifascist is someone who fights against fascists, either violently or, more often, through documenting of fascist groups, taking pictures and counter protesting.
SpicyLemonZest 20d ago
If someone were to come to my workplace and smash a window, for example, I think it's pretty fair to interpret that as a threat that they might smash the people working there next.
- inigyou 18d ago
  do you think someone who sprays paint in a military jet engine is about to force open your mouth and spray you full of paint?
  - SpicyLemonZest 17d ago
    No. I also think it's a big deal, but attacking military assets is bad for completely different reasons than breaking windows in my neighborhood.
8note 19d ago
itll make more sense if you consider that the right wing has been selling the idea that there is only one fredom/right - property ownership under capitalism and with that hayek setup, the property isore important than the life. you can be tortured, imprisoned and murdered, but as long as you still own a factory, you are a free man. its silly, buts its the driving idea behind western culture for the past 40-50 years or so
- talon8635 18d ago
  Ahh yes, the invention of property rights in 1980. Dreadful year that was.
talon8635 18d ago
Worse may not be part of the calculation. There are some people who are against violence and property destruction and antisocial activity full stop. It’s also curious to me why people espousing freedom hand waive property destruction

meta_gunslinger 20d ago

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MSFT_Edging 20d ago
The Weather Underground committed over a dozen bombings back in the day and the only deaths were WU members from a failed explosive. The wikipedia page has a table of right-wing terror attacks while the page for left-wing terror mostly describes guerilla groups in civil wars. Generally no, Antifa is not a violent organization in the same way that violent white-nationalist/neonazi groups are violent. Antifa hasn't shot up a church/synagogue/mosque. Followers of modern fascist sects have. You're either willfully ignorant or purposefully biased to consider them on the same playing field.
- meta_gunslinger 20d ago
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47282847 20d ago
“Antifa has…” is like saying “Nerds have” or “Hackers have”. It is really only a broad label, either assigned by one self or by others. I know people who are strictly against any violence and still proud to use Antifa “branding”. Others wouldn’t want to be called Antifa but are called that by others. You are a HN user. Saying “HN users have enacted physical violence” and implying it is all of them is just utter bs.
- meta_gunslinger 20d ago
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  - orwin 20d ago
    Fascists are just against the rule of law. They designed a multi tiered system where they have more rights than the one they judge inferior. An antifascist is someone who fights against fascists, either violently or, more often, through documenting of fascist groups, taking pictures and counter protesting.

SpicyLemonZest 20d ago

If someone were to come to my workplace and smash a window, for example, I think it's pretty fair to interpret that as a threat that they might smash the people working there next.

inigyou 18d ago
do you think someone who sprays paint in a military jet engine is about to force open your mouth and spray you full of paint?
- SpicyLemonZest 17d ago
  No. I also think it's a big deal, but attacking military assets is bad for completely different reasons than breaking windows in my neighborhood.

8note 19d ago

itll make more sense if you consider that the right wing has been selling the idea that there is only one fredom/right - property ownership under capitalism and with that hayek setup, the property isore important than the life. you can be tortured, imprisoned and murdered, but as long as you still own a factory, you are a free man. its silly, buts its the driving idea behind western culture for the past 40-50 years or so

talon8635 18d ago
Ahh yes, the invention of property rights in 1980. Dreadful year that was.

talon8635 18d ago

Worse may not be part of the calculation. There are some people who are against violence and property destruction and antisocial activity full stop. It’s also curious to me why people espousing freedom hand waive property destruction