15 ms·

FDA approves first in class targeted therapy for metastatic pancreatic cancer

286 points by leopoldj 21d ago

SeifHashish 21d ago
thats great news !
MarceliusK 21d ago
Pancreatic cancer is one of those diseases where I've gotten used to reading depressing numbers, so seeing 13.2 months vs 6.7 months actually made me stop for a second
datakan 21d ago
My dad passed in 2020 from pancreatic cancer. He'd been to the doctor several times complaining about issues and all they would do is send him home with laxatives. Eventually it got bad enough my mom ran him to the ER when they found the cancer which had progressed into its final stages already. He was dead less than a month later. Similar story with a guy I worked with. He went home sick one day. A few days later our boss told us he was sick and had pancreatic cancer. He came into the office to say goodbye to us a few weeks later and then died about 10 days after that. Fuck cancer
- jr3592 21d ago
  Absolutely terrible. As human beings, we should be prioritizing solving these kinds of problems. I don't think we need to live forever, but a graceful ending later in life remains an objective we haven't fully realized for everyone.
  - yepyeppers 21d ago
    We do. There’s something like half a billion dollars spent on pancreatic cancer research annually in the United States alone. It’s a giant money pit and that’s created an enormous body of research, increased understanding of the biology of the cancer and just how insidious it is, and funded the careers of thousands of scientists, technicians, academics and administrators, but very little of all this translates into better treatment outcomes. There’s no evidence than just pouring more money into cancer research is going to give us a miracle cure. There are competing priorities starved for funding to that we know can use meaningful help. Not incidentally some of those include financial aid, medical care and quality of life assistance for the actual patients and their families, as well as prevention.
    - jr3592 21d ago
      good point
    - snowwrestler 20d ago
      > There’s no evidence than just pouring more money into cancer research is going to give us a miracle cure. The HPV vaccine will almost entirely wipe out cervical cancer: not by curing it, but preventing it entirely. Not sure if that meets your “miracle” standard, but it’s a totally unreasonable standard to apply to scientific research. By definition, a miracle is something that is not physically possible. Research seems expensive, yes. You have to work in every possible direction, fumbling in the dark metaphorically, because you don’t know the answers yet. It’s a lot messier than giving a hungry person a meal. But hundreds of years of research have made that meal way more abundant and less expensive… In the grand scope of the country, we spend quite small amounts on research. The U.S. GDP generates half a billion dollars in less than 10 minutes, for example. It’s less than what we spend on takeout coffee.
      - jr3592 20d ago
        Even better point. Thank you!
      - yepyeppers 19d ago
        > The HPV vaccine will almost entirely wipe out cervical cancer: not by curing it, but preventing it entirely. That only underlines my point. The HPV vaccine was in not really a product of cancer research, in terms of the cancer itself. It’s purely a multivalent viral vaccine with the munificent effect of preventing several cancers and nasty genital warts as an additional motivator. It has saved many thousands of lives that would have been lost with the best available cancer treatments and avoided their costly and excruciating effects. It’s too early to write off cervical cancer, besides HPV-negative ones, there are evolving strains not covered and a huge pool of viral reserves worldwide and among the unvaccinated in the USA. A universal mandate won’t happen and coverage isn’t high enough to eradicate it. Prevention is important for almost all cancers. There will likely be other vaccines in the future targeting carcinogenic infections but most cancers don’t have a simple infectious cause. Cancer is a family of nasty diseases that has time and again defied all pronouncements of impending universal cures.
- canucker2016 21d ago
  Matt Bencke's pancreatic cancer story has stuck with me. First sign in May, followed by several doctor visits which treat the symptoms. In late July, he heads to the ER. Multiple tests later, he and his wife get the diagnosis. He dies less than three months later. see https://www.wired.com/story/the-day-i-found-out-my-life-was-hanging-by-a-thread/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-day-i-found-out-my-life-was-...
  - ViktorRay 21d ago
    I had never heard of this story before. Thank you for sharing it.
    - canucker2016 21d ago
      There's also Randy Pausch, who had pancreatic cancer, and The Last Lecture. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Pausch#Cancer_and_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Pausch#Cancer_and_death CMU posted an HD version of his Last Lecture - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayPMfopCe1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayPMfopCe1g
- jrapdx3 21d ago
  FWIW it's commonly the case with cancers of abdominal organs: stomach, pancreas, liver, kidney, etc. These cancers are frequently not diagnosed until at an advanced stage. Symptoms tend to be nonspecific, overlap with ubiquitous conditions like constipation, gastritis. A goal of research is improving early detection of these cancers but it's an uphill battle. It's difficult to increase providers' "index of suspicion" of seemingly "minor" complaints.
  - yepyeppers 21d ago
    That’s a generalization, pancreatic cancer is often extremely lethal, depending on the type and case the survival rate can be as or more grim than glioma. Bowel and urinary cancers including kidney cancer are often very treatable and survivable when discovered due to symptoms. I don’t think it’s helpful to group all abdominal cancers as being uniquely or especially bad or late discovered. Likewise for the particularly aggressive or advanced cancers these types of announcements and trials rarely translate to major changes in prognosis. More typical if there is any positive result it looks like additional weeks or at best months of aggressive treatments rather than significant ”cure” rates.
    - HedonicEscal8r 21d ago
      It can be disappointing to see that even a successful drug, like this one, is "only" extending life expectancy from 6.7 months to 13.2. But this is what the first steps towards a cure look like. Childhood leukemia used to be overwhelmingly fatal, and early chemotherapy trials also only managed a couple months of remission. Researchers were even criticized for subjecting patients to harsh side effects to no apparent benefit. But thanks to that research, most patients are now cured; per capita death rates from childhood leukemia are down 14x from the 1950s, mostly driven by improved treatment. Daraxonrasib is an incredible invention on a technical level, and a meaningful step forwards in the treatment of many cancers. We'll need a couple more equally incredible inventions to be able to cure pancreatic cancer.
      - freediddy 21d ago
epistasis 21d ago
Metastatic pancreatic cancer is the first indication for this class of RAS-inhibitor, but it certainly won't be the last, and it seems certain that there will be many many more cancers where this drug gets approved. There are mutations to activate KRAS in a substantial fraction of cancers across many organs, and but it's been such a hard protein to target with a drug that even decades ago I was told it was "undruggable." What's going on with this new drug is a somewhat novel mechanism: instead of gumming up the enzymatic action of the protein, it acts as a glue between KRAS and a common "helper" protein, that then mucks up the RAS signalling. This sort of molecular glue mechanism has had a few examples built up over the past decade, but this is a really knock-it-out-of-the-park drug. Really amazing, and because of it lots of people are focusing lots of effort on how to discover more molecular glues.
- pfdietz 21d ago
  One downer about this drug is the absolutely horrific side effects, like "your skin feels like you've been dipped in acid" kind of horrific. Still, pancreatic cancer is just that bad, so maybe that's worthwhile.
  - epistasis 21d ago
    Yes, the side effects were very extreme. As time goes on, I'm optimistic that management of the side effects will improve, and outcomes will improve along with that too. Much like chemotherapy, this type of treatment affects a lot of non-cancer cells too.
  - jmcgough 21d ago
    It's such a big deal to get a working RAS drug. Pharma companies will be pursuing additional drugs of the same class after this - much easier to be the second than the first. I think over the next few years we may see improvements on this, or better figure out how to use it and manage side effects. Very exciting!
  - deleted 20d ago
    [deleted]
  - 20d ago
hentrep 21d ago
Beyond the data, this approval is notable for the speed from FDA acceptance of their new drug application (NDA) to FDA approval - just over a month. Compare this to the typical 8-12 month timelines we've historically seen for priority and standard reviews, respectively. This was enabled by the FDA's CNPV Pilot Program [0] Previous discussion following the data presentation at ASCO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48517199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48517199 [0] https://www.fda.gov/industry/commissioners-national-priority-voucher-cnpv-pilot-program https://www.fda.gov/industry/commissioners-national-priority...
- norbertsboat 21d ago
  Seriously? So for example the covid vaccine should have been approved in 1 month based on the crisis response or because mRNA approach is transformative, or if it could be made in the US. I feel so much safer knowing a reckless FDA won't be a problem now.
  - seizethecheese 21d ago
    I’m trying to understand your point. This drug is for people with metastasized cancer. I’m comfortable with fast tracking it, because what’s exactly the harm of letting desperate people try something that seems likely to help a lot? Also, the risk profile is sort of the inverse of a covid vaccine where everyone was supposed to take it.
    - norbertsboat 21d ago
      The FDA article lists 5 reasons the pilot of the pilot is only for the non controversial one that is not even listed in a way that maximizes its risk/benefit requirements.
  - hentrep 21d ago
    Comparing the acceleration of FDA approvals for non-contagious terminal diseases like PDAC to development of COVID vaccines is flawed on so many levels. You make it sound as though this was just cooked up in some desert meth lab RV over a weekend, and the FDA just rubber-stamped after a cursory glance at the data. The Phase 1/2 study first exploring daraxonrasib (RMC-6236) was posted on clinicaltrials.gov in May 2022; this trial enrolled 754 patients [0]. The RASolute 302 study this approval is based on was first posted to clinicaltrials.gov in October 2024; this trial enrolled 500 patients [1]. Nevermind the years of preclinical discovery and translational work that had to precede human studies. As you can see from the control arm showing 6.7mo of survival on standard of care chemotherapy, these patients have a very poor prognosis. Is this a cure? No. Does it buy time to see your child graduate, get married, or give birth? Quite possibly. If you ever have the opportunity to work behind the scenes within the pharma industry and/or FDA, you'd be astonished that anything ever gets approved with all the red tape and complexity along the way. Medicine is not software - it operates within the black box of human biology which is incredibly nuanced from patient to patient. Like many who have shared personal stories in this thread, I've lost friends to PDAC. It is a terrible disease often driven by a mutated oncogene (KRAS). Many cancers have KRAS-driven subtypes (lung, colorectal, low-grade serous ovarian, etc). The clinical platform and pipeline at RevMed has potential to address many other cancers. They have next-gen RAS agents that could be even more impactful. For those curious, RevMed posted a solid summary of the approval on their IR site [2] [0] https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05379985?tab=researcher https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05379985?tab=researcher [1] https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06625320?tab=researcher https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06625320?tab=researcher [2]https://ir.revmed.com/static-files/0f7e4612-ad39-4c87-b266-8da5f2be6651 https://ir.revmed.com/static-files/0f7e4612-ad39-4c87-b266-8...
dmschulman 21d ago
My dad was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in December 2019 and thankfully caught wind of it in its early stages due to an eagle-eyed nurse going over some routine blood work and noting his liver numbers were off, he should talk to the doctor. You can imagine how hard it was to be sick in the early days of COVID, much less have to go to the hospital on a regular basis to receive chemotherapy for hours on end. Our family was lucky that he responded well to treatment at least and we had a few extra years with him before he passed away in late 2023. Cancer is a terrible thing but pancreatic cancer is especially horrible due to the difficulty in detection when you're in otherwise good health. The fact that intense medical research into retrovirals has yielded something so significant as the RAS-inhibitor is nothing short of miraculous.
dyauspitr 21d ago
We’re nowhere close to it, but if we actually solve the vast majority of cancers, we will have taken several steps towards a true utopia
- GrinningFool 21d ago
  Assuming access to those solutions for everyone, sure.
jmcharnes 21d ago
My sister was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in October (48 years old) and died in June from it. I'm glad to see a drug like this developed for people suffering from pancreatic cancer. I don't wish what my sister went through on anyone. Damn if I don't wish it had come a little sooner.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 21d ago
  Sorry for your loss. My mémère passed recently from it. It's a terrible illness and I'm glad that others can have more time.
  - seizethecheese 21d ago
    mémère Is French for grandmother, for other readers, since I looked it up.
- pfdietz 21d ago
  My mother died of it less than two weeks after the diagnosis was confirmed by biopsy. On the other hand, I knew a guy at work who survived more than five years with it; this was so unusual there was an advocacy group that used him as a kind of poster child of hope. He looked just terrible though.
  - jghn 21d ago
    a lot depends on the exact diagnosis, both stage and the specific kind of pancreatic cancer
- freediddy 21d ago
  I'm very sorry for your sister's death. My friend's dad was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer out of the blue and died within 6 weeks. It terrifies the fuck out of me because there's nothing you can do to detect it or fight it. Hopefully this drug helps people get cured of it.
- mwigdahl 21d ago
  My father-in-law died of pancreatic cancer three months after diagnosis. It is a horrible disease, not least of which because it’s difficult to diagnose. By the time they get a clear bead on it, in many cases, it’s stage four and already ravaging your system. I’m very sorry for you and your family’s loss. And I hope this drug makes it so a lot fewer people have to go through this in the future.
matthewsjess 21d ago
Fantastic news. Research on Metastatic treatments has been underfunded. Yet immunotherapy and other treatments are showing amazing promise.
- octaane 21d ago
  I would argue that it is not underfunded, as most big pharma companies with oncology products have dumped enormous amounts of money into research pipelines and clinical trials. Immunotherapies like nivolumab or ipilimumab or pembrolizumab have varying (but often very decent) efficacy data for metastatic disease across tumor types.
mstank 21d ago
My mom was diagnosed with borderline stage-4 pancreatic cancer. Fortunately she had an aggressive surgeon willing to do a Whipple procedure, and survived almost 4 years after a 4-6 month prognosis. We were incredibly lucky to even have that time with her. Pancreatic is one of the worst cancers someone can get — both for survival and quality of life. I’m very happy to see that we’re finally making meaningful progress on treatment.
botro 21d ago
My father in law was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer that's spread to his lungs about a month ago. This news today raised my wife's hopes immensely and had them immediately doused after hearing the oncologist say that although the drug is approved it will take months before they are able to prescribe it. Father in law started chemo a few weeks ago and his condition deteriorated quickly, he's been at the hospital since; switching between ICU and general care. His abdomen fills up with fluid, around 6 liters every 5 days, draining the fluid plunges his blood pressure and he end up in ICU. They supply Albumin until blood pressure stabilizes and send him back to general. Only after the first chemo session the oncologists have stopped the treatment saying he's no longer eligible for chemo because of his over all health. We're lucky enough to live an hour away from Johns Hopkins (though that's not the hospital he's currently at) and had an appointment scheduled but had to cancel since he's unable to walk. The oncologist mentioned that daraxonrasib was available as an option when he first started chemo, but said he would only be eligible for it after trying chemo, so we know the drug is available. Are there any tips from HN on how we can approach getting this medicine for my father in law?
- octaane 21d ago
  Ask the oncologist directly. Also, try contacting Revolution Medicines directly (the manufacturer), and/or go through their early access page: https://www.revmed.com/expanded-access-policy/ https://www.revmed.com/expanded-access-policy/
  - botro 21d ago
    Thank you for sharing, the oncologists are saying that at this point in the diseases progression the same things that disqualify him from getting chemo also disqualify him from this drug. That in his current state it would do more harm. I hope many others are helped by daraxonrasib, the key factor seems to be how early the cancer is detected, because it is an extremely fast acting disease.
- silver_sun 21d ago
  Revolution Medicines has an Expanded access program: https://www.revmed.com/expanded-access-policy/ https://www.revmed.com/expanded-access-policy/ I would suggest you have your physician submit a Expanded access request immediately, because the same page says that they will close this program after FDA approval as they transition to commercial use, but the timeline for that is unclear.
silverFork 21d ago
The therapy does not provide a cure. Just prolongs lives for only few more months, unfortunately .
chilldsgn 21d ago
Someone I love dearly passed two weeks ago from this awful cancer. She was on a trial for this drug, but it was ineffective, sadly. I can't stop crying. This is a horrible disease and I am so glad there are developments being made in this to extend people's lives, possibly even save them. Fuck cancer.
woadwarrior01 21d ago
This would've likely saved Steve Jobs, had it arrived 15 years earlier.
- catoc 21d ago
  No, this is for metastatic pancreatic adenocarcinoma, not what he had
- astura 20d ago
  No it wouldn't have. This treatment is for pancreatic adenocarcinoma. Steve Jobs had pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor, which is a rare form of pancreatic cancer. Same organ, but fundamentally different diseases. Pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor is usually quite treatable, but Steve Jobs delayed surgery for almost a year to try to beat his cancer "naturally" - with a fruit diet, herbs, and acupuncture. Were he had gotten the surgery right away, there's a very good chance the cancer wouldn't have spread and he would be alive today. Beyond that, from tfa >Rasonque improved median overall survival to 13.2 months compared to 6.7 months for standard chemotherapy.
- inglor_cz 20d ago
  Jobs was lucky enough to have a completely different, very treatable type of pancreatic cancer, and unlucky enough to believe in crackpot treatments more than actual science.
Alien1Being 21d ago
Not a nice disease to get. Ranks up there with glioblastoma multiforme, advanced oesophageal cancer and advanced duodenal cancer. I am aggressive and investigate aggressively to detect pancreatic cancer early. One even had a Whipple procedure (pancreaticoduodenectomy ), since I detected it so early. Despite that, the longest anyone I diagnosed has lived has only been 8 months. Sad, they were all nice people.
- jquery 20d ago
  > glioblastoma multiforme Killed my dad the same year he retired. Really stuck with me about how important living for today is.
wvh 21d ago
My aunt died of this last year. It took all of three months. That has given some food for thought in my family over what the most humane and merciful way to die is; 5 minutes and a heart attack, three months and this, or several years in other forms of cancer and tumours. Ignoring the pain aspect of the disease, three months seems not to be a bad time to come to grips, say your goodbyes, tie up loose ends but not prolong suffering indefinitely and waste away. Also, hail to healthcare systems that facilitate legal euthanasia.
mchusma 20d ago
FDA is just too slow. Whole I’d like to do more radical reform, at a minimum this stupid long wait should be tossed. If someone hits a target endpoint auto approval pending further review or something Remember in COVID when results. Came in and they took a month to schedule the meeting?
- nottorp 20d ago
  Self approval? Like Boeing?
  - inglor_cz 20d ago
    Not self-approval, but maybe look at the clinical trial reforms in China (2016). There seems to be a lesson there to learn from. They made the trial system a lot more flexible, and China has recently overtaken the US in the # of new drugs patented, about a third worldwide. That number was ~ zero mere ten years ago.
  - canucker2016 20d ago
    Is Boeing terminally ill? </rhetorical> Jake Seliger, HNer, jseliger - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=jseliger https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=jseliger, who died a couple of years ago, had exhausted the current standards of treatment for head-neck cancer. Drugs available through clinical trials were his last option. But the workflow to access drugs via clinical trial is terrible. Directions/Instructions aren't documented. Unwritten limitations and optimizations. Jake and his wife documented his path through the process. see https://jakeseliger.com/2023/07/22/i-am-dying-of-squamous-cell-carcinoma-and-the-treatments-that-might-save-me-are-just-out-of-reach/ https://jakeseliger.com/2023/07/22/i-am-dying-of-squamous-ce... also see https://jakeseliger.com/tag/clinical-trials/ https://jakeseliger.com/tag/clinical-trials/ and https://bessstillman.substack.com/t/clinical-trial https://bessstillman.substack.com/t/clinical-trial Also read https://bessstillman.substack.com/p/the-seliger-act-testimony-for-a-new https://bessstillman.substack.com/p/the-seliger-act-testimon... for a literal post-mortem view of the clinical drug trial process.
    - 20d ago
Wonnk13 20d ago
stage 4 colon cancer here... Pancreatic cancer is obviously a _very_ different disease, but when i was diagnosed just about a decade ago the conventional wisdom was that KRAS was basically undruggable. I'm KRAS 12D and very excited for future. No it's not a cure, but this drug is the difference between someone's mother or father making it to one more Christmas, or Birthday, or other life milestone.

286 points by leopoldj 21d ago

thats great news !

Pancreatic cancer is one of those diseases where I've gotten used to reading depressing numbers, so seeing 13.2 months vs 6.7 months actually made me stop for a second

datakan 21d ago

My dad passed in 2020 from pancreatic cancer. He'd been to the doctor several times complaining about issues and all they would do is send him home with laxatives. Eventually it got bad enough my mom ran him to the ER when they found the cancer which had progressed into its final stages already. He was dead less than a month later. Similar story with a guy I worked with. He went home sick one day. A few days later our boss told us he was sick and had pancreatic cancer. He came into the office to say goodbye to us a few weeks later and then died about 10 days after that. Fuck cancer

jr3592 21d ago
Absolutely terrible. As human beings, we should be prioritizing solving these kinds of problems. I don't think we need to live forever, but a graceful ending later in life remains an objective we haven't fully realized for everyone.
- yepyeppers 21d ago
  We do. There’s something like half a billion dollars spent on pancreatic cancer research annually in the United States alone. It’s a giant money pit and that’s created an enormous body of research, increased understanding of the biology of the cancer and just how insidious it is, and funded the careers of thousands of scientists, technicians, academics and administrators, but very little of all this translates into better treatment outcomes. There’s no evidence than just pouring more money into cancer research is going to give us a miracle cure. There are competing priorities starved for funding to that we know can use meaningful help. Not incidentally some of those include financial aid, medical care and quality of life assistance for the actual patients and their families, as well as prevention.
  - jr3592 21d ago
    good point
  - snowwrestler 20d ago
    > There’s no evidence than just pouring more money into cancer research is going to give us a miracle cure. The HPV vaccine will almost entirely wipe out cervical cancer: not by curing it, but preventing it entirely. Not sure if that meets your “miracle” standard, but it’s a totally unreasonable standard to apply to scientific research. By definition, a miracle is something that is not physically possible. Research seems expensive, yes. You have to work in every possible direction, fumbling in the dark metaphorically, because you don’t know the answers yet. It’s a lot messier than giving a hungry person a meal. But hundreds of years of research have made that meal way more abundant and less expensive… In the grand scope of the country, we spend quite small amounts on research. The U.S. GDP generates half a billion dollars in less than 10 minutes, for example. It’s less than what we spend on takeout coffee.
    - jr3592 20d ago
      Even better point. Thank you!
    - yepyeppers 19d ago
      > The HPV vaccine will almost entirely wipe out cervical cancer: not by curing it, but preventing it entirely. That only underlines my point. The HPV vaccine was in not really a product of cancer research, in terms of the cancer itself. It’s purely a multivalent viral vaccine with the munificent effect of preventing several cancers and nasty genital warts as an additional motivator. It has saved many thousands of lives that would have been lost with the best available cancer treatments and avoided their costly and excruciating effects. It’s too early to write off cervical cancer, besides HPV-negative ones, there are evolving strains not covered and a huge pool of viral reserves worldwide and among the unvaccinated in the USA. A universal mandate won’t happen and coverage isn’t high enough to eradicate it. Prevention is important for almost all cancers. There will likely be other vaccines in the future targeting carcinogenic infections but most cancers don’t have a simple infectious cause. Cancer is a family of nasty diseases that has time and again defied all pronouncements of impending universal cures.
canucker2016 21d ago
Matt Bencke's pancreatic cancer story has stuck with me. First sign in May, followed by several doctor visits which treat the symptoms. In late July, he heads to the ER. Multiple tests later, he and his wife get the diagnosis. He dies less than three months later. see https://www.wired.com/story/the-day-i-found-out-my-life-was-hanging-by-a-thread/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-day-i-found-out-my-life-was-...
- ViktorRay 21d ago
  I had never heard of this story before. Thank you for sharing it.
  - canucker2016 21d ago
    There's also Randy Pausch, who had pancreatic cancer, and The Last Lecture. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Pausch#Cancer_and_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Pausch#Cancer_and_death CMU posted an HD version of his Last Lecture - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayPMfopCe1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayPMfopCe1g
jrapdx3 21d ago
FWIW it's commonly the case with cancers of abdominal organs: stomach, pancreas, liver, kidney, etc. These cancers are frequently not diagnosed until at an advanced stage. Symptoms tend to be nonspecific, overlap with ubiquitous conditions like constipation, gastritis. A goal of research is improving early detection of these cancers but it's an uphill battle. It's difficult to increase providers' "index of suspicion" of seemingly "minor" complaints.
- yepyeppers 21d ago
  That’s a generalization, pancreatic cancer is often extremely lethal, depending on the type and case the survival rate can be as or more grim than glioma. Bowel and urinary cancers including kidney cancer are often very treatable and survivable when discovered due to symptoms. I don’t think it’s helpful to group all abdominal cancers as being uniquely or especially bad or late discovered. Likewise for the particularly aggressive or advanced cancers these types of announcements and trials rarely translate to major changes in prognosis. More typical if there is any positive result it looks like additional weeks or at best months of aggressive treatments rather than significant ”cure” rates.
  - HedonicEscal8r 21d ago
    It can be disappointing to see that even a successful drug, like this one, is "only" extending life expectancy from 6.7 months to 13.2. But this is what the first steps towards a cure look like. Childhood leukemia used to be overwhelmingly fatal, and early chemotherapy trials also only managed a couple months of remission. Researchers were even criticized for subjecting patients to harsh side effects to no apparent benefit. But thanks to that research, most patients are now cured; per capita death rates from childhood leukemia are down 14x from the 1950s, mostly driven by improved treatment. Daraxonrasib is an incredible invention on a technical level, and a meaningful step forwards in the treatment of many cancers. We'll need a couple more equally incredible inventions to be able to cure pancreatic cancer.
    - freediddy 21d ago

epistasis 21d ago

Metastatic pancreatic cancer is the first indication for this class of RAS-inhibitor, but it certainly won't be the last, and it seems certain that there will be many many more cancers where this drug gets approved. There are mutations to activate KRAS in a substantial fraction of cancers across many organs, and but it's been such a hard protein to target with a drug that even decades ago I was told it was "undruggable." What's going on with this new drug is a somewhat novel mechanism: instead of gumming up the enzymatic action of the protein, it acts as a glue between KRAS and a common "helper" protein, that then mucks up the RAS signalling. This sort of molecular glue mechanism has had a few examples built up over the past decade, but this is a really knock-it-out-of-the-park drug. Really amazing, and because of it lots of people are focusing lots of effort on how to discover more molecular glues.

pfdietz 21d ago
One downer about this drug is the absolutely horrific side effects, like "your skin feels like you've been dipped in acid" kind of horrific. Still, pancreatic cancer is just that bad, so maybe that's worthwhile.
- epistasis 21d ago
  Yes, the side effects were very extreme. As time goes on, I'm optimistic that management of the side effects will improve, and outcomes will improve along with that too. Much like chemotherapy, this type of treatment affects a lot of non-cancer cells too.
- jmcgough 21d ago
  It's such a big deal to get a working RAS drug. Pharma companies will be pursuing additional drugs of the same class after this - much easier to be the second than the first. I think over the next few years we may see improvements on this, or better figure out how to use it and manage side effects. Very exciting!
- deleted 20d ago
  [deleted]
- 20d ago

hentrep 21d ago

Beyond the data, this approval is notable for the speed from FDA acceptance of their new drug application (NDA) to FDA approval - just over a month. Compare this to the typical 8-12 month timelines we've historically seen for priority and standard reviews, respectively. This was enabled by the FDA's CNPV Pilot Program [0] Previous discussion following the data presentation at ASCO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48517199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48517199 [0] https://www.fda.gov/industry/commissioners-national-priority-voucher-cnpv-pilot-program https://www.fda.gov/industry/commissioners-national-priority...

norbertsboat 21d ago
Seriously? So for example the covid vaccine should have been approved in 1 month based on the crisis response or because mRNA approach is transformative, or if it could be made in the US. I feel so much safer knowing a reckless FDA won't be a problem now.
- seizethecheese 21d ago
  I’m trying to understand your point. This drug is for people with metastasized cancer. I’m comfortable with fast tracking it, because what’s exactly the harm of letting desperate people try something that seems likely to help a lot? Also, the risk profile is sort of the inverse of a covid vaccine where everyone was supposed to take it.
  - norbertsboat 21d ago
    The FDA article lists 5 reasons the pilot of the pilot is only for the non controversial one that is not even listed in a way that maximizes its risk/benefit requirements.
- hentrep 21d ago
  Comparing the acceleration of FDA approvals for non-contagious terminal diseases like PDAC to development of COVID vaccines is flawed on so many levels. You make it sound as though this was just cooked up in some desert meth lab RV over a weekend, and the FDA just rubber-stamped after a cursory glance at the data. The Phase 1/2 study first exploring daraxonrasib (RMC-6236) was posted on clinicaltrials.gov in May 2022; this trial enrolled 754 patients [0]. The RASolute 302 study this approval is based on was first posted to clinicaltrials.gov in October 2024; this trial enrolled 500 patients [1]. Nevermind the years of preclinical discovery and translational work that had to precede human studies. As you can see from the control arm showing 6.7mo of survival on standard of care chemotherapy, these patients have a very poor prognosis. Is this a cure? No. Does it buy time to see your child graduate, get married, or give birth? Quite possibly. If you ever have the opportunity to work behind the scenes within the pharma industry and/or FDA, you'd be astonished that anything ever gets approved with all the red tape and complexity along the way. Medicine is not software - it operates within the black box of human biology which is incredibly nuanced from patient to patient. Like many who have shared personal stories in this thread, I've lost friends to PDAC. It is a terrible disease often driven by a mutated oncogene (KRAS). Many cancers have KRAS-driven subtypes (lung, colorectal, low-grade serous ovarian, etc). The clinical platform and pipeline at RevMed has potential to address many other cancers. They have next-gen RAS agents that could be even more impactful. For those curious, RevMed posted a solid summary of the approval on their IR site [2] [0] https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05379985?tab=researcher https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05379985?tab=researcher [1] https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06625320?tab=researcher https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06625320?tab=researcher [2]https://ir.revmed.com/static-files/0f7e4612-ad39-4c87-b266-8da5f2be6651 https://ir.revmed.com/static-files/0f7e4612-ad39-4c87-b266-8...

dmschulman 21d ago

My dad was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in December 2019 and thankfully caught wind of it in its early stages due to an eagle-eyed nurse going over some routine blood work and noting his liver numbers were off, he should talk to the doctor. You can imagine how hard it was to be sick in the early days of COVID, much less have to go to the hospital on a regular basis to receive chemotherapy for hours on end. Our family was lucky that he responded well to treatment at least and we had a few extra years with him before he passed away in late 2023. Cancer is a terrible thing but pancreatic cancer is especially horrible due to the difficulty in detection when you're in otherwise good health. The fact that intense medical research into retrovirals has yielded something so significant as the RAS-inhibitor is nothing short of miraculous.

dyauspitr 21d ago

We’re nowhere close to it, but if we actually solve the vast majority of cancers, we will have taken several steps towards a true utopia

GrinningFool 21d ago
Assuming access to those solutions for everyone, sure.

jmcharnes 21d ago

My sister was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in October (48 years old) and died in June from it. I'm glad to see a drug like this developed for people suffering from pancreatic cancer. I don't wish what my sister went through on anyone. Damn if I don't wish it had come a little sooner.

2OEH8eoCRo0 21d ago
Sorry for your loss. My mémère passed recently from it. It's a terrible illness and I'm glad that others can have more time.
- seizethecheese 21d ago
  mémère Is French for grandmother, for other readers, since I looked it up.
pfdietz 21d ago
My mother died of it less than two weeks after the diagnosis was confirmed by biopsy. On the other hand, I knew a guy at work who survived more than five years with it; this was so unusual there was an advocacy group that used him as a kind of poster child of hope. He looked just terrible though.
- jghn 21d ago
  a lot depends on the exact diagnosis, both stage and the specific kind of pancreatic cancer
freediddy 21d ago
I'm very sorry for your sister's death. My friend's dad was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer out of the blue and died within 6 weeks. It terrifies the fuck out of me because there's nothing you can do to detect it or fight it. Hopefully this drug helps people get cured of it.
mwigdahl 21d ago
My father-in-law died of pancreatic cancer three months after diagnosis. It is a horrible disease, not least of which because it’s difficult to diagnose. By the time they get a clear bead on it, in many cases, it’s stage four and already ravaging your system. I’m very sorry for you and your family’s loss. And I hope this drug makes it so a lot fewer people have to go through this in the future.

matthewsjess 21d ago

Fantastic news. Research on Metastatic treatments has been underfunded. Yet immunotherapy and other treatments are showing amazing promise.

octaane 21d ago
I would argue that it is not underfunded, as most big pharma companies with oncology products have dumped enormous amounts of money into research pipelines and clinical trials. Immunotherapies like nivolumab or ipilimumab or pembrolizumab have varying (but often very decent) efficacy data for metastatic disease across tumor types.

mstank 21d ago

My mom was diagnosed with borderline stage-4 pancreatic cancer. Fortunately she had an aggressive surgeon willing to do a Whipple procedure, and survived almost 4 years after a 4-6 month prognosis. We were incredibly lucky to even have that time with her. Pancreatic is one of the worst cancers someone can get — both for survival and quality of life. I’m very happy to see that we’re finally making meaningful progress on treatment.

botro 21d ago

My father in law was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer that's spread to his lungs about a month ago. This news today raised my wife's hopes immensely and had them immediately doused after hearing the oncologist say that although the drug is approved it will take months before they are able to prescribe it. Father in law started chemo a few weeks ago and his condition deteriorated quickly, he's been at the hospital since; switching between ICU and general care. His abdomen fills up with fluid, around 6 liters every 5 days, draining the fluid plunges his blood pressure and he end up in ICU. They supply Albumin until blood pressure stabilizes and send him back to general. Only after the first chemo session the oncologists have stopped the treatment saying he's no longer eligible for chemo because of his over all health. We're lucky enough to live an hour away from Johns Hopkins (though that's not the hospital he's currently at) and had an appointment scheduled but had to cancel since he's unable to walk. The oncologist mentioned that daraxonrasib was available as an option when he first started chemo, but said he would only be eligible for it after trying chemo, so we know the drug is available. Are there any tips from HN on how we can approach getting this medicine for my father in law?

octaane 21d ago
Ask the oncologist directly. Also, try contacting Revolution Medicines directly (the manufacturer), and/or go through their early access page: https://www.revmed.com/expanded-access-policy/ https://www.revmed.com/expanded-access-policy/
- botro 21d ago
  Thank you for sharing, the oncologists are saying that at this point in the diseases progression the same things that disqualify him from getting chemo also disqualify him from this drug. That in his current state it would do more harm. I hope many others are helped by daraxonrasib, the key factor seems to be how early the cancer is detected, because it is an extremely fast acting disease.
silver_sun 21d ago
Revolution Medicines has an Expanded access program: https://www.revmed.com/expanded-access-policy/ https://www.revmed.com/expanded-access-policy/ I would suggest you have your physician submit a Expanded access request immediately, because the same page says that they will close this program after FDA approval as they transition to commercial use, but the timeline for that is unclear.

silverFork 21d ago

The therapy does not provide a cure. Just prolongs lives for only few more months, unfortunately .

chilldsgn 21d ago

Someone I love dearly passed two weeks ago from this awful cancer. She was on a trial for this drug, but it was ineffective, sadly. I can't stop crying. This is a horrible disease and I am so glad there are developments being made in this to extend people's lives, possibly even save them. Fuck cancer.

woadwarrior01 21d ago

This would've likely saved Steve Jobs, had it arrived 15 years earlier.

catoc 21d ago
No, this is for metastatic pancreatic adenocarcinoma, not what he had
astura 20d ago
No it wouldn't have. This treatment is for pancreatic adenocarcinoma. Steve Jobs had pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor, which is a rare form of pancreatic cancer. Same organ, but fundamentally different diseases. Pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor is usually quite treatable, but Steve Jobs delayed surgery for almost a year to try to beat his cancer "naturally" - with a fruit diet, herbs, and acupuncture. Were he had gotten the surgery right away, there's a very good chance the cancer wouldn't have spread and he would be alive today. Beyond that, from tfa >Rasonque improved median overall survival to 13.2 months compared to 6.7 months for standard chemotherapy.
inglor_cz 20d ago
Jobs was lucky enough to have a completely different, very treatable type of pancreatic cancer, and unlucky enough to believe in crackpot treatments more than actual science.

Alien1Being 21d ago

Not a nice disease to get. Ranks up there with glioblastoma multiforme, advanced oesophageal cancer and advanced duodenal cancer. I am aggressive and investigate aggressively to detect pancreatic cancer early. One even had a Whipple procedure (pancreaticoduodenectomy ), since I detected it so early. Despite that, the longest anyone I diagnosed has lived has only been 8 months. Sad, they were all nice people.

jquery 20d ago
> glioblastoma multiforme Killed my dad the same year he retired. Really stuck with me about how important living for today is.

wvh 21d ago

My aunt died of this last year. It took all of three months. That has given some food for thought in my family over what the most humane and merciful way to die is; 5 minutes and a heart attack, three months and this, or several years in other forms of cancer and tumours. Ignoring the pain aspect of the disease, three months seems not to be a bad time to come to grips, say your goodbyes, tie up loose ends but not prolong suffering indefinitely and waste away. Also, hail to healthcare systems that facilitate legal euthanasia.

mchusma 20d ago

FDA is just too slow. Whole I’d like to do more radical reform, at a minimum this stupid long wait should be tossed. If someone hits a target endpoint auto approval pending further review or something Remember in COVID when results. Came in and they took a month to schedule the meeting?

nottorp 20d ago
Self approval? Like Boeing?
- inglor_cz 20d ago
  Not self-approval, but maybe look at the clinical trial reforms in China (2016). There seems to be a lesson there to learn from. They made the trial system a lot more flexible, and China has recently overtaken the US in the # of new drugs patented, about a third worldwide. That number was ~ zero mere ten years ago.
- canucker2016 20d ago
  Is Boeing terminally ill? </rhetorical> Jake Seliger, HNer, jseliger - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=jseliger https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=jseliger, who died a couple of years ago, had exhausted the current standards of treatment for head-neck cancer. Drugs available through clinical trials were his last option. But the workflow to access drugs via clinical trial is terrible. Directions/Instructions aren't documented. Unwritten limitations and optimizations. Jake and his wife documented his path through the process. see https://jakeseliger.com/2023/07/22/i-am-dying-of-squamous-cell-carcinoma-and-the-treatments-that-might-save-me-are-just-out-of-reach/ https://jakeseliger.com/2023/07/22/i-am-dying-of-squamous-ce... also see https://jakeseliger.com/tag/clinical-trials/ https://jakeseliger.com/tag/clinical-trials/ and https://bessstillman.substack.com/t/clinical-trial https://bessstillman.substack.com/t/clinical-trial Also read https://bessstillman.substack.com/p/the-seliger-act-testimony-for-a-new https://bessstillman.substack.com/p/the-seliger-act-testimon... for a literal post-mortem view of the clinical drug trial process.
  - 20d ago

Wonnk13 20d ago

stage 4 colon cancer here... Pancreatic cancer is obviously a _very_ different disease, but when i was diagnosed just about a decade ago the conventional wisdom was that KRAS was basically undruggable. I'm KRAS 12D and very excited for future. No it's not a cure, but this drug is the difference between someone's mother or father making it to one more Christmas, or Birthday, or other life milestone.