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Yeah, I agree with this. The constant state of "...will the rug be pulled?!?" does discourage relying on it as a model and building a workflow on it. Anthropic

Yeah, I agree with this. The constant state of "...will the rug be pulled?!?" does discourage relying on it as a model and building a workflow on it. Anthropic used to just be a reliable thing you could play with. Now it's this constant source of anxiety. It also didn't help that the government yanked it which adds another source of anxiety since OpenAI is on much better terms with the administration and the administration seems corrupt enough that they would mess with Anthropic if they got a big enough donation from OpenAI. But anyway after Sol entered the picture, I don't think Anthropic can get away with this as much and I also think they're going to face a massive backlash from Max subscribers if they do end up ending the +50% promotion at the end of the month because Sol is a Fable peer and priced very competitively.

adriand 24d ago
As soon as I started using Fable I was like, okay, this is probably as good a model as I will need for software engineering going forward. I still feel that way. I don’t need a better model, I need a faster Fable. The thing I miss most about programming is flow, and the constant bouncing between terminal tabs sucks. I’d love to do one thing at a time, with Fable, quickly.
- codazoda 24d ago
  You may or may not like agents mode. I also hate flipping tabs, but I enjoy using agent mode with well named sessions. I still stick with a single session until I must move to another, then I leave them around for a few days until I’m sure I won’t need to pick up where I left off again. Command: claude agents
  - pastel8739 24d ago
    I don’t think they were complaining about literally flipping tabs but rather just needing to context switch so often. This doesn’t sound like it helps with that.
- jmalicki 24d ago
  There is GPT 5.6 Sol on Cerebras if you want to try that experience for an ungodly sum of money (not getting into GPT 5.6 Sol vs Fable, but only one is available on Cerebras) for an 11x speedup.
  - hakimg 24d ago
    OpenAI also have 5.6 fast mode for a 2.5x speedup for 2x cost and is available on standard plans.
- kbrannigan 24d ago
  remember 4 year ago we use to : have stack overflow open, documentation, obscure forums plus other tabs. An ide open with 20 tabs open each file a component, a class or an interface We also use to hold entire codebases in our brain.
  - echelon 24d ago
    And now I'm getting 10-20x as much done. I'd say the trade off is worth it. I'm struggling to scale myself even further. This tech is unreal and I have so many things I can do. For the first time, tech feels like the 90's-00's again. Everything is greenfield and exciting and big tech is struggling to figure out what to do about it. People are just hacking all kinds of stuff, and it's awesome. Feels like techno utopia.
    - monegator 24d ago
      BINGO!
    - noufalibrahim 24d ago
      I have mixed feelings. The barrier and time between idea and usable implementation is almost zero now. I don't have to imagine. I can just write something and see it work before making larger decisions. I really like this. Many of my ideas were abandoned because I needed to study some obscure library. Now, I can learn the parts that I find interesting and just have the AI chew through the grunt parts easily. That's the good. I started coding with a line editor on a small Casio handheld "computer" and used to keep programs in my head. I more or less knew what happened on each line without seeing the line. With larger programs, I had a mental model of what was going on where and a big part of the input to that was the effort of writing everything by hand. That's gone. It's not really important as far as the output of usable programs is concerned but there's a certain feeling of satisfaction that came with digesting a larger codebase and having it surrender it's secrets to you that's missing.
    - lelanthran 23d ago
      > For the first time, tech feels like the 90's-00's again. It feels like the opposite of 90s - 00s: they were filled with periods where a person could self-study technology and get a job using those skills that few others had. Where we are going (according to the AI-proponents) is children being able to replace you. In brief; the 90s - 00s were a skill-valuation time, now we are looking at a skill devaluation time. Unless you meant to say "Just like how any kid who could write broken HTML t put up a webpage could pretend to be a skilled professional, that's where we are now"...
- azalemeth 24d ago
  I _still_ haven't actually been able to _use_ Fable at all. Those safeguards just refuse biology in general.
  - jghn 23d ago
    It changed for the better a few weeks ago. Obviously it depends on what one is doing but I haven’t had an issue with my biology related material since that update
- zelphirkalt 24d ago
  A faster Fable -- So you mean a model that's smaller, yet delivers the same quality of responses, ergo a better model?
- Flow 23d ago
  I felt the same about GPT-5.2 on High. It did all I asked and it did it good and cheap. Too bad it’s no longer an option at all.
- mark_l_watson 23d ago
  I have lower standards than you: I pay for deepseek-v4-flash-0731 tokens from a fast and reliable US vendor and I feel like working on one task at a time is fast and gets almost everything done I need.
cle 24d ago
My wife's startup made the mistake of building her internal operations around Claude Team. Then she hired a VA in the Philippines. Anthropic promptly banned her account without warning once the VA connected to the account. It took her weeks to get her account reinstated, at which point she had already moved on to OpenAI.
- javier2 23d ago
  we have 7 coworkers we have been trying to re-instate for nearly 4 months now. All using the same google workspace sso, so there really was no special reason to ban them...
- nullocator 24d ago
  But Philippines is on Anthropics list of allowed countries?
  - nullsanity 24d ago
    [dead]
  - wahnfrieden 24d ago
    It was flagged for account-sharing, or detecting a compromised account
    - Grimburger 24d ago
      How do you know there wasn't account sharing though? I've seen some amazingly dodgy stuff when hiring people from south east Asia, sharing a paid account with friends worth a months rent there seems milquetoast in comparison.
      - svachalek 24d ago
        There clearly was account sharing, someone logged into the wife's account from the Phillipines.
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osigurdson 24d ago
I used Fable a bit when it was available. I didn't get the senae is was dramatically better than OpenAI. Now I am considering canceling my Claude sub since I can no longer experiment with their best models.
eastbound 23d ago
> OpenAI is on much better terms with the administration and the administration seems corrupt enough to... Which tells you everything you need to know about OpenAI.

adriand 24d ago

As soon as I started using Fable I was like, okay, this is probably as good a model as I will need for software engineering going forward. I still feel that way. I don’t need a better model, I need a faster Fable. The thing I miss most about programming is flow, and the constant bouncing between terminal tabs sucks. I’d love to do one thing at a time, with Fable, quickly.

codazoda 24d ago
You may or may not like agents mode. I also hate flipping tabs, but I enjoy using agent mode with well named sessions. I still stick with a single session until I must move to another, then I leave them around for a few days until I’m sure I won’t need to pick up where I left off again. Command: claude agents
- pastel8739 24d ago
  I don’t think they were complaining about literally flipping tabs but rather just needing to context switch so often. This doesn’t sound like it helps with that.
jmalicki 24d ago
There is GPT 5.6 Sol on Cerebras if you want to try that experience for an ungodly sum of money (not getting into GPT 5.6 Sol vs Fable, but only one is available on Cerebras) for an 11x speedup.
- hakimg 24d ago
  OpenAI also have 5.6 fast mode for a 2.5x speedup for 2x cost and is available on standard plans.
kbrannigan 24d ago
remember 4 year ago we use to : have stack overflow open, documentation, obscure forums plus other tabs. An ide open with 20 tabs open each file a component, a class or an interface We also use to hold entire codebases in our brain.
- echelon 24d ago
  And now I'm getting 10-20x as much done. I'd say the trade off is worth it. I'm struggling to scale myself even further. This tech is unreal and I have so many things I can do. For the first time, tech feels like the 90's-00's again. Everything is greenfield and exciting and big tech is struggling to figure out what to do about it. People are just hacking all kinds of stuff, and it's awesome. Feels like techno utopia.
  - monegator 24d ago
    BINGO!
  - noufalibrahim 24d ago
    I have mixed feelings. The barrier and time between idea and usable implementation is almost zero now. I don't have to imagine. I can just write something and see it work before making larger decisions. I really like this. Many of my ideas were abandoned because I needed to study some obscure library. Now, I can learn the parts that I find interesting and just have the AI chew through the grunt parts easily. That's the good. I started coding with a line editor on a small Casio handheld "computer" and used to keep programs in my head. I more or less knew what happened on each line without seeing the line. With larger programs, I had a mental model of what was going on where and a big part of the input to that was the effort of writing everything by hand. That's gone. It's not really important as far as the output of usable programs is concerned but there's a certain feeling of satisfaction that came with digesting a larger codebase and having it surrender it's secrets to you that's missing.
  - lelanthran 23d ago
    > For the first time, tech feels like the 90's-00's again. It feels like the opposite of 90s - 00s: they were filled with periods where a person could self-study technology and get a job using those skills that few others had. Where we are going (according to the AI-proponents) is children being able to replace you. In brief; the 90s - 00s were a skill-valuation time, now we are looking at a skill devaluation time. Unless you meant to say "Just like how any kid who could write broken HTML t put up a webpage could pretend to be a skilled professional, that's where we are now"...
azalemeth 24d ago
I _still_ haven't actually been able to _use_ Fable at all. Those safeguards just refuse biology in general.
- jghn 23d ago
  It changed for the better a few weeks ago. Obviously it depends on what one is doing but I haven’t had an issue with my biology related material since that update
zelphirkalt 24d ago
A faster Fable -- So you mean a model that's smaller, yet delivers the same quality of responses, ergo a better model?
Flow 23d ago
I felt the same about GPT-5.2 on High. It did all I asked and it did it good and cheap. Too bad it’s no longer an option at all.
mark_l_watson 23d ago
I have lower standards than you: I pay for deepseek-v4-flash-0731 tokens from a fast and reliable US vendor and I feel like working on one task at a time is fast and gets almost everything done I need.

cle 24d ago

My wife's startup made the mistake of building her internal operations around Claude Team. Then she hired a VA in the Philippines. Anthropic promptly banned her account without warning once the VA connected to the account. It took her weeks to get her account reinstated, at which point she had already moved on to OpenAI.

javier2 23d ago
we have 7 coworkers we have been trying to re-instate for nearly 4 months now. All using the same google workspace sso, so there really was no special reason to ban them...
nullocator 24d ago
But Philippines is on Anthropics list of allowed countries?
- nullsanity 24d ago
  [dead]
- wahnfrieden 24d ago
  It was flagged for account-sharing, or detecting a compromised account
  - Grimburger 24d ago
    How do you know there wasn't account sharing though? I've seen some amazingly dodgy stuff when hiring people from south east Asia, sharing a paid account with friends worth a months rent there seems milquetoast in comparison.
    - svachalek 24d ago
      There clearly was account sharing, someone logged into the wife's account from the Phillipines.

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osigurdson 24d ago

I used Fable a bit when it was available. I didn't get the senae is was dramatically better than OpenAI. Now I am considering canceling my Claude sub since I can no longer experiment with their best models.

eastbound 23d ago

> OpenAI is on much better terms with the administration and the administration seems corrupt enough to... Which tells you everything you need to know about OpenAI.