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I think declaring the Straight of Hormuz a US territory will solve this problem.

by martythemaniak 29d ago

MomsAVoxell 29d ago
Declaring the US an enemy to the free people of the world is going to solve it, that’s for certain.
cjbenedikt 29d ago
How? Or was it sarcasm?
- duttish 29d ago
  Personally I assume there was an implied /s at the end
  - pbkompasz 29d ago
    I can imagine Pete Hegseth saying that exact sentence to President Trump.
  - martythemaniak 29d ago
    Well, there's an unspoken rule in SV/HN circles about when the take Trump's idiocies seriously and when to ignore them. For example, "Gulf of America" and "Department of War" you're supposed to take seriously, and all SV communications feature these prominently. Correcting someone about the fact that "The Department of War" doesn't exist will get you downvoted, but apparently you're not supposed to take "Straight of Hormuz is US territory" seriously? I'm am very bad at discerning this rule.
    - rybosome 29d ago
      Correcting someone about the fact that “The Department of War” doesn’t exist is pedantic. I wouldn’t go downvote a random comment making the correction, but if I posted a substantive comment remarking on current events and received a reply only pointing out that “it’s ACTUALLY the Department of Defense” then I’d definitely downvote that. Correcting others’ language on this point isn’t saving democracy, it’s needling others on technicalities who very well might be largely aligned with your views. I think the altered name is clownish and reflects the buffoonery of everybody in charge, but I might still use it when making a point because using it in context is not an endorsement.
      - martythemaniak 29d ago
        If people downvoted pedantry, everyone on HN would have negative karma. No, it's something closer to The Parable of the Green Grocer from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless. The MAGAfication of large parts of Tech means that lots of people see themselves as respectable, serious, insiders. Pointing out the utter ridiculousness of what they profess to believe is extremely gauche.
      - mindslight 29d ago
        If the language doesn't matter, then why have the autocratic authoritarians made such a point of promulgating that language? To me, it's a line in the sand that they've drawn - along with the rest of their dubious alternative reality that we're supposed to eat and repeat to demonstrate allegiance. I know it's real work to go against popularized framings, but it's work we need to do.
- cyberax 29d ago
  That's apparently the latest bright idea out of the White House. And no, that's not out of The Onion.
  - fhdkweig 29d ago
    You can find all the news articles here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hormuz+us+territory&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hormuz+us+territory&ia=web I miss the days when world leaders read from the internet but didn't post to it.
- Alive-in-2025 29d ago
  Trump did actually make this proclamation today. It was a sarcastic comment.
  - cjbenedikt 29d ago
    Thank you. That answers my question. I was still downvoted though.
  - voganmother42 29d ago
    Which time?
  - TitaRusell 29d ago
    A couple of years ago I made the observation that the West would start to copy what China is doing. Ofcourse its only wrong when China does it...
    - blooalien 29d ago
      > A couple of years ago I made the observation that the West would start to copy what China is doing. Ofcourse its only wrong when China does it... There's no point in seeing anything coming or being right about anything, because the vast majority of people will ridicule you and tell you you're wrong until well after it's too late to change the situation for the better. The tiny handful of us who actually care about a future are a microscopic minority and basically powerless to change it. Best to just live our lives the best we can and to hell with what the rest of the world is doing at this point.
- cjbenedikt 29d ago
  Why the down vote? It was a serious question.
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xnx 28d ago
Now that you mention it, I'm surprised it hasn't been renamed to Straight of Freedom.

I think declaring the Straight of Hormuz a US territory will solve this problem.

MomsAVoxell 29d ago

Declaring the US an enemy to the free people of the world is going to solve it, that’s for certain.

cjbenedikt 29d ago

How? Or was it sarcasm?

duttish 29d ago
Personally I assume there was an implied /s at the end
- pbkompasz 29d ago
  I can imagine Pete Hegseth saying that exact sentence to President Trump.
- martythemaniak 29d ago
  Well, there's an unspoken rule in SV/HN circles about when the take Trump's idiocies seriously and when to ignore them. For example, "Gulf of America" and "Department of War" you're supposed to take seriously, and all SV communications feature these prominently. Correcting someone about the fact that "The Department of War" doesn't exist will get you downvoted, but apparently you're not supposed to take "Straight of Hormuz is US territory" seriously? I'm am very bad at discerning this rule.
  - rybosome 29d ago
    Correcting someone about the fact that “The Department of War” doesn’t exist is pedantic. I wouldn’t go downvote a random comment making the correction, but if I posted a substantive comment remarking on current events and received a reply only pointing out that “it’s ACTUALLY the Department of Defense” then I’d definitely downvote that. Correcting others’ language on this point isn’t saving democracy, it’s needling others on technicalities who very well might be largely aligned with your views. I think the altered name is clownish and reflects the buffoonery of everybody in charge, but I might still use it when making a point because using it in context is not an endorsement.
    - martythemaniak 29d ago
      If people downvoted pedantry, everyone on HN would have negative karma. No, it's something closer to The Parable of the Green Grocer from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless. The MAGAfication of large parts of Tech means that lots of people see themselves as respectable, serious, insiders. Pointing out the utter ridiculousness of what they profess to believe is extremely gauche.
    - mindslight 29d ago
      If the language doesn't matter, then why have the autocratic authoritarians made such a point of promulgating that language? To me, it's a line in the sand that they've drawn - along with the rest of their dubious alternative reality that we're supposed to eat and repeat to demonstrate allegiance. I know it's real work to go against popularized framings, but it's work we need to do.
cyberax 29d ago
That's apparently the latest bright idea out of the White House. And no, that's not out of The Onion.
- fhdkweig 29d ago
  You can find all the news articles here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hormuz+us+territory&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hormuz+us+territory&ia=web I miss the days when world leaders read from the internet but didn't post to it.
Alive-in-2025 29d ago
Trump did actually make this proclamation today. It was a sarcastic comment.
- cjbenedikt 29d ago
  Thank you. That answers my question. I was still downvoted though.
- voganmother42 29d ago
  Which time?
- TitaRusell 29d ago
  A couple of years ago I made the observation that the West would start to copy what China is doing. Ofcourse its only wrong when China does it...
  - blooalien 29d ago
    > A couple of years ago I made the observation that the West would start to copy what China is doing. Ofcourse its only wrong when China does it... There's no point in seeing anything coming or being right about anything, because the vast majority of people will ridicule you and tell you you're wrong until well after it's too late to change the situation for the better. The tiny handful of us who actually care about a future are a microscopic minority and basically powerless to change it. Best to just live our lives the best we can and to hell with what the rest of the world is doing at this point.
cjbenedikt 29d ago
Why the down vote? It was a serious question.

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xnx 28d ago

Now that you mention it, I'm surprised it hasn't been renamed to Straight of Freedom.