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TS;DR: Too Sloppy; Didn't Read.

by headz 1mo ago

juleiie 1mo ago
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- abc3354 1mo ago
  In the expression "AI slop", "AI" is about the tools, "slop" is about the content
- uean 1mo ago
  I'm not going to spend an hour trying to distill the AI-slop to find out what potential golden nugget may lie in there. It's impossible to judge the content if it's buried under a landfill. "If you won't take the time to write it, I won't take the time to read it."
  - juleiie 1mo ago
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    - uean 1mo ago
      Thanks for this. My point is proven.
      - juleiie 1mo ago
        [flagged]
        flyingcoder 1mo ago
        How did web3 and crypto work out for you buddy?
        jorisw 1mo ago
        You’re confusing moving on with the times, and using new tools wrong
    - vivzkestrel 1mo ago
      - you are going to regret offloading this much of your brain's critical thinking to an external source in the long run - every night a good number of neuron connections in your brain are automatically severed because you did not use that ability - over long periods of time, it ll take you to a point where you wont be able to write a simple factorial program on your own without gpt telling you - i am not saying this to incite you or mock you or anything. i am just concerned about how much of your thinking you are offloading
      - danggggg 1mo ago
        [dead]
      - juleiie 1mo ago
        I am not offloading anything. I need way more critical thinking than I ever needed before to review solutions proposed by my digital slaves to evaluate whether they are garbage or good. If you think that having slaves means you don’t need to be a good administrator, then you are sorely mistaken. It requires more brainpower than it ever did to manage a project the size what used to do a 100 people team. All on your own. The fact that I am arguing with all of you here and not blindingly follow the narrative should tell you all you need to know about my critical thinking prowess.
        bluefirebrand 1mo ago
        > I need way more critical thinking than I ever needed before to review Review does not require more critical thinking than designing or building.
        juleiie 1mo ago
        Designing is all I do basically. AI just a calculator but I tell it what to do and guide it. Guys you cannot win this argument. We will soon be in a new era. It’s like the old math heads complaining about calculators. Does anyone complain about calculators making us dumb nowadays? You can of course avoid this tech like a plague and miss out and that’s fine. No one cares
    - yieldcrv 1mo ago
      yes but tell your slopywriter to be less verbose, get to the point
      - juleiie 1mo ago
        [flagged]
    - fg137 1mo ago
      > because that’s how things will look like from now on. No it's not. People are increasingly getting fed up with slops like this -- you can see comments in HN discussions. Many people just completely skip those articles.
      - gist 1mo ago
        > People are increasingly getting fed up with slops like this -- you can see comments in HN discussions. Why claim 'people' (plenty of people get value from satisficing) and even try to use 'see comments in HN discussions' as if there is something that actually documents that ie 'we all think it'. I skimmed it and even skimming it I got value from (what some others here) call 'slop'. (The value was basically it gave me an idea of something I could implement and again I didn't have to study it or even understand everything (or agree) just seeing someone did that made me think about something I might want to do.
      - prepend 1mo ago
        More importantly, I’ve started my own little blacklist of people and site I just ignore. There’s people at work whose messages get completely ignored after too many times of posting verbose, useless, ai slop.
    - sporedro 1mo ago
      If I want to read AI output, I’ll just ask my own AI. I’m not going to bother reading someone else’s AI.
    - prepend 1mo ago
      It’s not my problem because I can safely skip ai slop without fomo. It’s extremely rare that someone smart with something smart to say produces this crap. Like someone said upthread if the author isn’t willing to spend time writing cogently then I don’t think it’s worth my time to try to parse it.
- ImPostingOnHN 1mo ago
  "slop" is a perfectly valid judgement of content surely if we're expected to read this ourselves, the author can write it themselves? indeed, it's helpful to the author, too: writing helps you learn
  - ModernMech 1mo ago
    I dunno, you'll notice several people here saying that got value from it, despite others not engaging with it at all. If your filter is that you don't engage with anything you don't expect a priori to get value from (based on weak signals), you'll miss a lot.
    - ImPostingOnHN 1mo ago
      it's not that it might help or not, it's more like, "if an AI wrote this, that means I can generate the exact same text (or better) myself, and be _even more_ helped, whenever I'm interested in this topic, by using AI" having a blog full of ai content is like having a web page that's a list of links to searches for random keywords on google: what's your contribution? picking a topic? is that anything?
      - ModernMech 1mo ago
        That's only if you assume the human didn't have any control over what the AI wrote, and I think that's more and more a very wrong assumption. It's easy to have a lot of control over LLM output, and to use expertise to steer it (non experts steer the LLM in very different directions compared to experts). And the output being raw text, it's also very easy to edit and refactor it to say what needs to be said. Some people are even (unconsciously or not) adopting AI colloquialisms in their own writing. I think it's becoming very unclear where human and AI content begins and ends. > having a blog full of ai content is like having a web page that's a list of links to searches for random keywords on google What's any blog? A person just presses a bunch of buttons on a keyboard, is that anything?
        ImPostingOnHN 1mo ago
- fg137 1mo ago
  > judge the content The content itself is slop.
- order-matters 1mo ago
  did you edit it? did you fully read everything yourself and take out anything extra that didnt need to be in there like unnecessary comparisons and typical AI idioms? tweak the language to be less dramatic or emphatic about things that do not need emphasis? AI is a great tool, but it is somewhere between a 3D printer and a CNC machine. it can make something smooth and easy to handle and maybe good enough for personal use but you would want to run it through some Finishing steps before giving its output to someone else. In some cases thats using the output as a mold for a full recreation and other times maybe its just sanding it a bit, smoothing out some rough spots and putting paint on it. youre right not to care about if something was made by a human or a tool, but the full presentation of the content including editing is part of the content when it comes to a write-up.
- criddell 1mo ago
  If this isn't something worth your time to write, it probably isn't worth my time to read. Just post the part you did write - the prompt.
- augment_me 1mo ago
  People don't like this because you move the responsibility of verification to the reader. Does the program cheat? Does it just query a table is saved in some backend? Maybe, I don't know, you don't know, and since the author only pressed enter once no-one will know until/if someone runs into any issues. When you can create information for free, and you want people to use this information you need to provide guarantees, proof, and understanding beyond what the autonomous model has done. Otherwise you just move the burden of verification to the reader.

TS;DR: Too Sloppy; Didn't Read.

by headz 1mo ago

TS;DR: Too Sloppy; Didn't Read.

juleiie 1mo ago

[flagged]

abc3354 1mo ago
In the expression "AI slop", "AI" is about the tools, "slop" is about the content
uean 1mo ago
I'm not going to spend an hour trying to distill the AI-slop to find out what potential golden nugget may lie in there. It's impossible to judge the content if it's buried under a landfill. "If you won't take the time to write it, I won't take the time to read it."
- juleiie 1mo ago
  [flagged]
  - uean 1mo ago
    Thanks for this. My point is proven.
    - juleiie 1mo ago
      [flagged]
      - flyingcoder 1mo ago
        How did web3 and crypto work out for you buddy?
      - jorisw 1mo ago
        You’re confusing moving on with the times, and using new tools wrong
  - vivzkestrel 1mo ago
    - you are going to regret offloading this much of your brain's critical thinking to an external source in the long run - every night a good number of neuron connections in your brain are automatically severed because you did not use that ability - over long periods of time, it ll take you to a point where you wont be able to write a simple factorial program on your own without gpt telling you - i am not saying this to incite you or mock you or anything. i am just concerned about how much of your thinking you are offloading
    - danggggg 1mo ago
      [dead]
    - juleiie 1mo ago
      I am not offloading anything. I need way more critical thinking than I ever needed before to review solutions proposed by my digital slaves to evaluate whether they are garbage or good. If you think that having slaves means you don’t need to be a good administrator, then you are sorely mistaken. It requires more brainpower than it ever did to manage a project the size what used to do a 100 people team. All on your own. The fact that I am arguing with all of you here and not blindingly follow the narrative should tell you all you need to know about my critical thinking prowess.
      - bluefirebrand 1mo ago
        > I need way more critical thinking than I ever needed before to review Review does not require more critical thinking than designing or building.
        juleiie 1mo ago
        Designing is all I do basically. AI just a calculator but I tell it what to do and guide it. Guys you cannot win this argument. We will soon be in a new era. It’s like the old math heads complaining about calculators. Does anyone complain about calculators making us dumb nowadays? You can of course avoid this tech like a plague and miss out and that’s fine. No one cares
  - yieldcrv 1mo ago
    yes but tell your slopywriter to be less verbose, get to the point
    - juleiie 1mo ago
      [flagged]
  - fg137 1mo ago
    > because that’s how things will look like from now on. No it's not. People are increasingly getting fed up with slops like this -- you can see comments in HN discussions. Many people just completely skip those articles.
    - gist 1mo ago
      > People are increasingly getting fed up with slops like this -- you can see comments in HN discussions. Why claim 'people' (plenty of people get value from satisficing) and even try to use 'see comments in HN discussions' as if there is something that actually documents that ie 'we all think it'. I skimmed it and even skimming it I got value from (what some others here) call 'slop'. (The value was basically it gave me an idea of something I could implement and again I didn't have to study it or even understand everything (or agree) just seeing someone did that made me think about something I might want to do.
    - prepend 1mo ago
      More importantly, I’ve started my own little blacklist of people and site I just ignore. There’s people at work whose messages get completely ignored after too many times of posting verbose, useless, ai slop.
  - sporedro 1mo ago
    If I want to read AI output, I’ll just ask my own AI. I’m not going to bother reading someone else’s AI.
  - prepend 1mo ago
    It’s not my problem because I can safely skip ai slop without fomo. It’s extremely rare that someone smart with something smart to say produces this crap. Like someone said upthread if the author isn’t willing to spend time writing cogently then I don’t think it’s worth my time to try to parse it.
ImPostingOnHN 1mo ago
"slop" is a perfectly valid judgement of content surely if we're expected to read this ourselves, the author can write it themselves? indeed, it's helpful to the author, too: writing helps you learn
- ModernMech 1mo ago
  I dunno, you'll notice several people here saying that got value from it, despite others not engaging with it at all. If your filter is that you don't engage with anything you don't expect a priori to get value from (based on weak signals), you'll miss a lot.
  - ImPostingOnHN 1mo ago
    it's not that it might help or not, it's more like, "if an AI wrote this, that means I can generate the exact same text (or better) myself, and be _even more_ helped, whenever I'm interested in this topic, by using AI" having a blog full of ai content is like having a web page that's a list of links to searches for random keywords on google: what's your contribution? picking a topic? is that anything?
    - ModernMech 1mo ago
      That's only if you assume the human didn't have any control over what the AI wrote, and I think that's more and more a very wrong assumption. It's easy to have a lot of control over LLM output, and to use expertise to steer it (non experts steer the LLM in very different directions compared to experts). And the output being raw text, it's also very easy to edit and refactor it to say what needs to be said. Some people are even (unconsciously or not) adopting AI colloquialisms in their own writing. I think it's becoming very unclear where human and AI content begins and ends. > having a blog full of ai content is like having a web page that's a list of links to searches for random keywords on google What's any blog? A person just presses a bunch of buttons on a keyboard, is that anything?
      - ImPostingOnHN 1mo ago
fg137 1mo ago
> judge the content The content itself is slop.
order-matters 1mo ago
did you edit it? did you fully read everything yourself and take out anything extra that didnt need to be in there like unnecessary comparisons and typical AI idioms? tweak the language to be less dramatic or emphatic about things that do not need emphasis? AI is a great tool, but it is somewhere between a 3D printer and a CNC machine. it can make something smooth and easy to handle and maybe good enough for personal use but you would want to run it through some Finishing steps before giving its output to someone else. In some cases thats using the output as a mold for a full recreation and other times maybe its just sanding it a bit, smoothing out some rough spots and putting paint on it. youre right not to care about if something was made by a human or a tool, but the full presentation of the content including editing is part of the content when it comes to a write-up.
criddell 1mo ago
If this isn't something worth your time to write, it probably isn't worth my time to read. Just post the part you did write - the prompt.
augment_me 1mo ago
People don't like this because you move the responsibility of verification to the reader. Does the program cheat? Does it just query a table is saved in some backend? Maybe, I don't know, you don't know, and since the author only pressed enter once no-one will know until/if someone runs into any issues. When you can create information for free, and you want people to use this information you need to provide guarantees, proof, and understanding beyond what the autonomous model has done. Otherwise you just move the burden of verification to the reader.