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> But if they keep the scans, or even the transcripts, that's probably an improvement on the status quo, to be honest. only if they share the scans/transcripts
by toofy 1mo ago
> But if they keep the scans, or even the transcripts, that's probably an improvement on the status quo, to be honest.
only if they share the scans/transcripts and don’t hide it away.
- DougBTX 1mo agoYeah, we’re in a funny position. By all accounts it is fair use (at least in the US) to train models (and build search indexes, e.g. Google Books), but sharing the books dataset itself is absolutely forbidden (clear non-transformative copying). Anyone that wants to train a model needs to procure and destroy their own physical copy of each book!
- FartyMcFarter 1mo ago> Anyone that wants to train a model needs to procure and destroy their own physical copy of each book! Why? Couldn't they resell or give away the books after scanning them?
- ursuscamp 1mo agoPer the courts, it actually helps their "fair use" case if they destroy the book instead of re-selling it.
- trescenzi 1mo agoIt's less work if you use a destructive method. They rip the spine off to get individual flatter sheets instead of scanning a bound book.
- sznio 1mo agochop off the spine and you can use an automated scanner. to keep the book intact you'll need a flatbed scanner and an operator.
- mcphage 1mo agoThere are non-destructive automated scanners.
- Kim_Bruning 1mo agoHow is this in any way, shape, or form a promotion of the arts and sciences anymore? This could very easily be turned into a preservation and archiving operation with just a tweak of the laws, or a carve-out. And make the bank once, and make it legal to train on? How people in the bank get compensated is a different question, but -while almost impossible to settle on an individual basis- could be settled reasonably in bulk by some form of mandatory implied statutory contract?
- dec0dedab0de 1mo agoHow is this in any way, shape, or form a promotion of the arts and sciences anymore? Well, if the book is still in production the author will get the royalties. Though if it were still an active release they should just sell digital copies.