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Now they cause harm because there's people that may believe a fake video is real. But people is developing skepticism about what they see in videos and learning

Now they cause harm because there's people that may believe a fake video is real. But people is developing skepticism about what they see in videos and learning to think that they may be generated, before taking them as true. What kind of harms do you have in mind?

Nition 2mo ago
No longer being able to tell whether any image or video is real due to the extreme ease of creating realistic fakes, is itself a harm.
- jay_kyburz 2mo ago
  It might actually be helpful to push through and out to the other side. Think about how many completely fake videos are going to be flying around for the next election. Nobody is going to believe anything the see online. What is the the next stage, where the only things you believe are things you see with your own eyes.
  - Barbing 2mo ago
    >things you see with your own eyes Oh I wouldn't trust myself! In his study, "Nearly 2,000 witnesses can be wrong", Buckhout performed an experiment with 2,145 at-home viewers of a popular news broadcast. The television network played a 13-second clip of a mock robbery, produced by Buckhout. ... The people at home could call a number on their screen to report which suspect they believed was the perpetrator. The perpetrator was suspect number 2. ... Approximately equal contingents of participants chose suspects 1, 2, or 5, while the largest group of participants, about 25 percent, said they believed the perpetrator was not in the lineup. Even police precincts called in and reported the wrong man as the one they believed committed the crime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony#Reliability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony#Reliabili... Also-mentioned concepts: misinformation effect, source misattribution, confirmation bias.
- Aerroon 2mo ago
  You've seen movies before. You know that they can make fake videos look realistic. We have an entire industry built around it, so why is it only a harm now?
  - Nition 2mo ago
    Since it took a certain amount of time and effort, as well as skill in the past, it was a significantly lesser problem than it's becoming now. Especially with video footage.
    - WhrRTheBaboons 2mo ago
      plus all the money and people involved created a paper trail, which meant proving something was "faked" much easier that no longer exists with genAI models
- galkk 2mo ago
  It will be solved. Walleted, vertically integrated Apple can do a digital authenticity signature and guarantee that the video you see was at least shot on iPhone, and I won’t be surprised if it will happen soon. This + some lidar info will be enabled and everybody except minority will say that this is a great thing to have.
  - WhrRTheBaboons 2mo ago
    until models will be trained to fake that too
    - galkk 2mo ago
      I’m not talking about watermarks, I’m talking about hardware digital signature.
  - Nition 2mo ago
    Couldn't I just take a photo of an AI image with my phone? I suppose that'd where the LIDAR comes in.

Nition 2mo ago

No longer being able to tell whether any image or video is real due to the extreme ease of creating realistic fakes, is itself a harm.

jay_kyburz 2mo ago
It might actually be helpful to push through and out to the other side. Think about how many completely fake videos are going to be flying around for the next election. Nobody is going to believe anything the see online. What is the the next stage, where the only things you believe are things you see with your own eyes.
- Barbing 2mo ago
  >things you see with your own eyes Oh I wouldn't trust myself! In his study, "Nearly 2,000 witnesses can be wrong", Buckhout performed an experiment with 2,145 at-home viewers of a popular news broadcast. The television network played a 13-second clip of a mock robbery, produced by Buckhout. ... The people at home could call a number on their screen to report which suspect they believed was the perpetrator. The perpetrator was suspect number 2. ... Approximately equal contingents of participants chose suspects 1, 2, or 5, while the largest group of participants, about 25 percent, said they believed the perpetrator was not in the lineup. Even police precincts called in and reported the wrong man as the one they believed committed the crime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony#Reliability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony#Reliabili... Also-mentioned concepts: misinformation effect, source misattribution, confirmation bias.
Aerroon 2mo ago
You've seen movies before. You know that they can make fake videos look realistic. We have an entire industry built around it, so why is it only a harm now?
- Nition 2mo ago
  Since it took a certain amount of time and effort, as well as skill in the past, it was a significantly lesser problem than it's becoming now. Especially with video footage.
  - WhrRTheBaboons 2mo ago
    plus all the money and people involved created a paper trail, which meant proving something was "faked" much easier that no longer exists with genAI models
galkk 2mo ago
It will be solved. Walleted, vertically integrated Apple can do a digital authenticity signature and guarantee that the video you see was at least shot on iPhone, and I won’t be surprised if it will happen soon. This + some lidar info will be enabled and everybody except minority will say that this is a great thing to have.
- WhrRTheBaboons 2mo ago
  until models will be trained to fake that too
  - galkk 2mo ago
    I’m not talking about watermarks, I’m talking about hardware digital signature.
- Nition 2mo ago
  Couldn't I just take a photo of an AI image with my phone? I suppose that'd where the LIDAR comes in.