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Azulejo
- s20n 2mo agoI assumed the word was derived from "azul" but from the article, it's apparently derived from the Arabic الزليج (al-zillīj) and has no relation with "azul"
- lookeey 2mo agointerestingly, apparently "azul" also comes from the arabic "lāzuward"
- vasco 2mo agoI always thought it came from lapis lazuli (portuguese). Azul as a subpar of Lazuli even sounds exactly the same in portuguese.
- dgellow 2mo agoIn french we have “azur”
- wvbdmp 2mo agoLapis Lazuli is cognate, both come from the same Arabic/Persian root. Apparently “azure”, “azul”, “azzurro” lost the L because it got confused with the common “l’” article,
- decimalenough 2mo agoRebracketing strikes again! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebracketing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebracketing
- nudpiedo 2mo agoAnd the word from arabic comes, for both of them comes from persian for hte term lapis lazuli (lāžward) and suposedly this comes from sanskrit... but I ignore how it may sound in sanskrit.
- senadir 2mo agoThe arabic word for "azul" is أزرق (azraq) so they all look pretty adjacent.
- Laurel1234 2mo agoAzul 100% comes from Arabic (well Persian, but through Arabic), although I think the specific Andalusian form that was borrowed was a bit different from that.
- txbrown 2mo agoPortuguese here - many Portuguese words have origin from Arabic as Portugal has been conquered and occupied by "the Moors" in 8th~13th century. That's a long time! Alentejo, Aljezur, Algarve, and many of the cities in the Southern part of the country have have Arabic origins.
- portugueasey 2mo agoSo much so that the controversy over the use of “insha’Allah” by non-Muslims was missed by me, Portuguese has “oxalá”, and I could not understand the problem. It’s funny how many words we use in Portuguese and Spanish that have their origin in the Moorish time.
- heyjamesknight 2mo agoArab Orthodox Christians have been saying "inshallah" longer than Muslims have been around.
- forinti 2mo agoSome words also came into Portuguese from African slaves who were Muslim. And also from the Lebanese who immigrated to Brazil in the XX century.
- rescbr 2mo agoI'm Brazilian and I had never connected "insha'Allah" to "oxalá". Wow, TIL. At least we were taught in school that if a word starts with "al" then there is a big chance it has roots in Arabic.
- a34729t 2mo agoAnd the surname "matamoros"!
- opminion 2mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Matamoros https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Matamoros
- Laurel1234 2mo agoThis wikipedia article, the wiktionary entry for Portuguese, and the Spanish wiktionary entry all have different etymologies lmao. As a Spanish speaker it seems really hard to believe it's not azul + -ejo. They're literally blue.
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- ricardobeat 2mo agoEven more confusing since they are indeed often blue and white, like other ceramics.
- senko 2mo agoAzul[0] is a great board game inspired by this style. Easy to start, can get quite complex, heartily recommended! [0] https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/230802/azul https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/230802/azul
- tchalla 2mo agoIt really gets complex in a 4 player version and if also if you play thr version where the colors of the tiles are not set on the board. Fun game!!
- dgellow 2mo agoI love it, still my favorite game after all those years, there is so much depth with such a simple mechanic. Whenever I want to play with a game engine I reimplement a version of it
- ustad 2mo ago2 player can lead to fist fights.
- jcmfernandes 2mo agoDoing a little activism here: please don't buy old ones while visiting Portugal/Spain/etc., as they are commonly stolen goods. Thanks, from Lisbon.
- asimovDev 2mo agoI just googled it and apparently these are often chipped of historical buildings and sold as tourist souvenirs. Thanks for informing us
- jcmfernandes 2mo agoIndeed, it's sad. They are staple here in Portugal, covering entire buildings. Beautiful examples: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3BK1BoMVsgRY38eG8 https://maps.app.goo.gl/3BK1BoMVsgRY38eG8 and https://maps.app.goo.gl/fquP923g13xtbSxU8 https://maps.app.goo.gl/fquP923g13xtbSxU8
- santiagobasulto 2mo agoI'll take advantage of your domain knowledge :) Where's the best place to find local artists that produce them?
- fcatalan 2mo agoIn Spain, if you drive 1 h 20 minutes southwest of Madrid you get to Talavera de la Reina, which is a town all about ceramic and pottery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talavera_de_la_Reina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talavera_de_la_Reina
- jcmfernandes 2mo agoI would love to help, but it's not my domain. I, unfortunately, witness the side-effects of people stealing them on my day to day. There are many shops in Lisbon that sell them, and there's even a beautiful museum here that it's definitely worth visiting (or signing up for a workshop!): https://museunacionaldoazulejo.gov.pt https://museunacionaldoazulejo.gov.pt - it's currently closed for renovation; it should reopen later this year, but that's yet to be confirmed. When buying - on the streets or in a shop - if it looks old, unless provenance is absolutely clear, please don't.
- inigyou 2mo agoIs this related to a Forgejo
- sav_m 2mo agoI've read somewhere Forgejo comes from esperanto.
- statox 2mo agoYou might have read that from their [faq](https://forgejo.org/faq/ https://forgejo.org/faq/) > Forgejo (pronounced /forˈd͡ʒe.jo/) is inspired by forĝejo, the Esperanto word for forge.
- augusto-moura 2mo agoNope, not at all, very different etymologies
- inigyou 2mo agoForgejo running on Azure
- Angostura 2mo agoAnnoying article in that sentence 2 mentions temperature control and that’s the last mention
- slfnflctd 2mo agoI also wanted to see more about the temperature control aspect and was scanning the article for it. Some quick additional searching elsewhere turned up possible effects such as reflective surfaces, thermal mass, and moisture buffering.
- jwrallie 2mo agoMore of direct experience instead of a scientific explanation, but it feels cold to the touch. I would guess it is related to thermal conductivity.
- voxleone 2mo agoAzulejos are still a staple in Brazilian architecture. It is a common wall covering in clean areas like bathrooms, kitchens, hospitals.
- jwrallie 2mo agoThis is one of those words that can sound exotic, but for the locals would be so plain and uneventful to hear. Kinda like all the Japanese words being used for software project names on Github.
- diego_moita 2mo agoIt is staple but not an art. They're just tilings. What the Spanish, Moroccan and Portuguese do with azulejos / zellij is miles ahead. It is intricate, complex and beautiful. Those countries just take the think into crazy high levels of beauty. Brazilian azulejos are not in the same league. To say that Brazilian azulejos are the same as the Moroccan/Spanish/Portuguese is like saying that a Ferrari Testarosa is the same thing as a VW Beetle (Fusca), that a Fugue by Bach is the same thing as Funk Carioca, that a Crepe Suzette is the same thing as a pancake with orange jelly: technically correct but still absolutely wrong. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=zellij+morocco&sxsrf=APpeQns6Xs4W4pc0GP6oV9OfCQ1ab-6O1w:1785431028839&udm=2 https://www.google.com/search?q=zellij+morocco&sxsrf=APpeQns... [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=azulejo+sevillano&udm=2&sxsrf=APpeQnuCuSbZOHafbTCnYJO3W2BG-KvWxg%3A1785431113496 https://www.google.com/search?q=azulejo+sevillano&udm=2&sxsr...
- jventura 2mo agoWhat you call azulejos is basically tilings, which are mostly tiles with geometric patterns (or just a color) covering an area. Azulejo, in the "strict" portuguese (of Portugal) sense are usually a painting in the tiles (not on each individual tile, but on the whole). Mostly a work of art, yes.. By the way, there is also another "infrastructure" element that is used as art in Portugal - calçada portuguesa [1], which is also very interesting. [1] https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal%C3%A7ada_portuguesa https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal%C3%A7ada_portuguesa
- anthk 2mo agoAlso they are easier to clean in a bathroom/kitchen.
- bravura 2mo agoI’ve been curious for a while the cheapest way to create a small run of azulejo tiles with printed design and very strange (puzzle piece like) shapes
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- agilestoic 2mo agoWhy does a random Wikipedia article gets bumped so high here? :D
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- leflambeur 2mo agoI use Zellij and only recently had a colleague tell me that the name comes from Arabic and had not made the link to "Azulejo". It makes sense of course, considering they all refer to some form of tiling :)
- smel 2mo agoZellij is Moroccan from Fes, Morrocans bring it to Iberia
- brunoborges 2mo agoAmazing how an article from Wikipedia easily trends on HN for no good reason, while many posts go unseen under the [new] tab.
- 1bpp 2mo agoI think this fits nicely under the guidelines of "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity" a lot more than all of the AI marketing blogspam over there.
- brunoborges 2mo agoNah, this has way more to do with karma points than with "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity". I've seen submissions by original authors not trending, but then someone with enough karma points booming the same article in a second submission, and then folks having to adjust or point to the original submission to give the proper credit (and karma points) to the author. Visiting [newest] always has a handful of entries that are genuinely interesting, but never trend. At all. I challenge HN team to bring one to three random entries from [newest] into the [news] (trending) page as an exercise.
- brunoborges 2mo agoNote: I meant [newest]
- jmorenoamor 2mo agoWell, being able to chat about arts and culture is a nice surprise in the current sea of AI slop.
- stronglikedan 2mo ago> but also had a specific function, such as aiding temperature control in homes. How? Why even mention it without a blurb about what that even means?
- ajb 2mo agoIndeed, I would be interested to know if this was more than just albedo.
- aaroninsf 2mo agoCame here looking for this comment. Especially given its occurrence in the summary paragraph, that is a strong claim and I would like to know more. Some googling turns up social media links expanding on this claim ("reflective and insulating") but not immediately anything authoratative.
- ricardobeat 2mo agoCeramic tiles make rooms colder, which makes them popular in warm climates. They reflect heat, are decent insulators and prevent temperature swings.
- badc0ffee 2mo agoI visited Colonia del Sacramento on a day trip from Buenos Aires, and I remember these beautiful tiles all over the old town.
- aanet 2mo agoTIL: that Azulejo and zellig (zillig) have similar roots.
- 725686 2mo agoI just visited Lisbon, and their azulejos are fantastic. We also have great examples in Mexico. But, why was this posted in HN?
- rubslopes 2mo agoI'm always puzzled how ordinary Wikipedia pages make the front page. There must be some rare planetary alignment that gets so many people to upvote something that is plain and ordinary. To be clear, this isn't about azulejos specifically. I'm just talking about the pattern in general, whatever the topic.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 2mo agoHN is aggressively moderated. Certain types of stories which are popular on other social medias get limited or zero frontpage time on this site. That allows for niche curiosity stuff to bubble up.
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