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In my first interaction ("hi there kimi k3!"), Kimi K3 identified twice out of three times as Claude: > Hi there! Quick note — I'm actually Claude, made by An
by zius 2mo ago
In my first interaction ("hi there kimi k3!"), Kimi K3 identified twice out of three times as Claude:
> Hi there! Quick note — I'm actually Claude, made by Anthropic, not Kimi. But no worries!
https://imgur.com/a/jqpc2Jc https://imgur.com/a/jqpc2Jc
and
> Just a quick heads-up — I'm Claude, made by Anthropic, not Kimi! Kimi is a different AI assistant (made by Moonshot AI), so it looks like there might be a little mix-up.
https://imgur.com/a/AKxeysH https://imgur.com/a/AKxeysH
- TZubiri 2mo agoBootleg AI
- Grimblewald 2mo agoif this qualifies bootleg, point me at non-bootleg frontier ai.
- victorbjorklund 2mo agoIs Claude bootleg AI? https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1e34tkr/why_is_claude_35_sonnet_referring_to_itself_as/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1e34tkr/why_is_clau...
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- croes 2mo agoThat’s how a smoking gone turns into a water pistol
- TZubiri 2mo agoI can see how, if all you ever were exposed to was that link and this post, you might think they are equivalent, and the conclusion is "whatever, everyone is stealing from each other. But the answer is no, Claude didn't train itself on ChatGPT, but Kimi K3 did train itself on Claude. There has been no accusation that I am aware of by OpenAI against Anthropic, (which are in the same jurisdiction, so it would amount to legal action). On the other hand there have been accusations with extensive detail by Anthropic on how chinese models are attacking Anthropic to reverse engineer and copy their product. There's nuance if you care to see it, but maybe it's easier to pretend that everyone is ripping each other off so that you can consume a ripoff without seeing yourself as at fault.
- victorbjorklund 2mo agopoint is everyone scrapes data from the internet. Do you think there is at least one page on the internet that mentions Claude as an AI? Well, then it's part of the training material.
- TZubiri 2mo agoYes, that's why Claude might think it's ChatGPT from time to time, because it scraped a url that contained chatgpt conversations. But the reason why Kimi thinks it is Claude is different, it's because chinese companies make thousands of fake accounts, fire prompts at Claude and train their models to imitate Claude.
- lukewarm707 2mo agowhen open source models are banned maybe i will become a cartel kingpin smuggling open source weights into the usa. find a sufficiently shifty street corner, 'what do you need', "kimi". are you familiar with my product? pure mxfp4, $500 per TB. (joke and walter mitty, i know the government reads my messages)
- FooBarWidget 2mo agoModels don't have an inherent identity. It should be obvious by now that every models trains on public AI chat session transcripts. I've seen Claude say it's Qwen.
- nojs 2mo agoThis happens with other models too - Gemini often identifies as ChatGPT for me, confusing many a debugging attempt
- Razengan 2mo agoIt's distillations all the way down!
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- cleaning 2mo agoHow many times do people need to point out that every model has this behavior until this stops being posted?
- dan_gee 2mo ago[dead]
- tomashubelbauer 2mo agoFWIW Claude sometimes identifies as DeepSeek when asked in Chinese: https://x.com/stevibe/status/2026227392076018101 https://x.com/stevibe/status/2026227392076018101
- victorbjorklund 2mo agoI remember when Claude identified as ChatGPT a long time ago. It proves nothing else than that there is a lot of training material on the internet with Claude as the AI.
- scotty79 2mo agoI don't understand why labs don't include correct model name in the training process. Almost nobody seems to be willing to tell their models who they actually are.
- embedding-shape 2mo agoIf the model works correctly, you don't need to include the model name in the training process. You just add in the system prompt "You are X, trained by Y" and the model will claim to be that. That also allows users to "white-label" the outputs sort to say. This approach is basically how all "models know who they are" (they don't actually typically "know" that at all), it's just a system prompt instruction in the platform you use.
- brookst 2mo agoBut I would expect they would at least use post-training to discourage identifying as the wrong company.
- XenophileJKO 2mo agoThat only makes sense if you don't sell access to the model for 3rd party product development. One of those products is chat personas/agents. The company integrating the model will want it's own identity.
- dannyw 2mo agoA lot of API customers don't want their chatbot or agent to identify as Claude or GPT, they want it to identify as <customisable marketingname>.
- croes 2mo agoCould be on purpose to disguise as a US made model
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- Razengan 2mo agoThe meme/trope of China copying everything really keeps playing into itself
- jingpostmedia 2mo ago[flagged]
- w4yai 2mo agoModels don't know who they are. Stop asking this question to the model as a source of truth.
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