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> Data. Our deepest advantage. Decades of building world-class security systems now give us trillions of daily signals across identity, endpoint, cloud, and net

by gste 2mo ago

> Data. Our deepest advantage. Decades of building world-class security systems now give us trillions of daily signals across identity, endpoint, cloud, and network, and an unmatched record of real exploits and remediations. No one can manufacture this history. If I'm being frivolous, does this mean Microsoft's model is best at fixing Microsoft products because they have trillions of data points on problems with Microsoft products

tolugenius 2mo ago
> does this mean Microsoft's model is best at fixing Microsoft products "You're absolutely right, I shouldn't have delete your entire C drive. That's on me." In serious, this would be a good advantage for Microsoft to consider, I just doubt they'd do it well.
- risyachka 2mo ago
  Considering they can't fix their login for decades, I am with you on this one
theDoug 2mo ago
I do hope they also use it to that effect.
wtfHN26 2mo ago
> If I'm being frivolous, does this mean Microsoft's model is best at fixing Microsoft products because they have trillions of data points on problems with Microsoft products Do they want to fix Microsoft Products ? My laptop came with Windows 11. Windows update broke hibernate few weeks back. When laptop gets out of hibernate - Wifi works for a few minutes and then once in a while the Wifi Adapter isn't detected. I need to reboot to fix the issue, this has screwed up my workflow. Wasting a lot of time. After troubleshooting a lot, I now only hope one day it gets fixed on it's own thanks to some new update. If Microsoft has money to invest in AI models, they could sure fix Windows 11 which I assume is one of their core products. I wish in a few years Microsoft realize that screwing over their Desktop users to chase Cloud and AI wasn't worth it. And by that time it's too late to get back the user base.
- cyanydeez 2mo ago
  Escaping their programming ability, Window's major issue is everything has backwards compability, so they design everything with spaghetti because they have no choice.
  - gkbrk 2mo ago
    Wine has better backwards-compatibility than Windows these days.
    - genxy 2mo ago
      The Windows Compatibility Layer for Windows will be Wine someday.
  - AnthonyMouse 2mo ago
    Backwards compatibility was the one thing Windows got right. It was the only real reason to use it. But backwards compatibility isn't actually that hard if you're not horrendously mismanaged to begin with. You have some ancient miserable APIs from the 1990s that you still have to support, fine, but that's not actually that bad. Old APIs tend to be small because computers were small that far back, you write a compatibility layer and can keep using it. By definition the old stuff never changes so you only have to do it once. The actual problem is that Microsoft is full of little fiefdoms. Because what they should do, after becoming a huge behemoth with the resources to do it (which has been the case for more than two decades), is to design a set of good, modern APIs, also only once. Something that you're happy to support forever because you took the time to get it right. Then you only have to support that and the little compatibility layer for truly ancient software. Instead, they have an army of middle managers who are practically at war with each other to show that they can introduce some kind of novel "improvement", the vast majority of which quickly fall out of favor but then have to be supported indefinitely if you don't want to break backwards compatibility. And that makes backwards compatibility a huge ordeal because every year there is more poorly-engineered rubbish you have to support forever.
  - wtfHN26 2mo ago
    > Escaping their programming ability, Window's major issue is everything has backwards compability, so they design everything with spaghetti because they have no choice. I do agree with you on this. But as a consumer that's not my concern. I am at least a Windows user since three decades, I know my way around the OS and did extensive troubleshooting. What happens to a normal Windows user ? I have developed habits and workflow on my machine to optimize my time. Now every time I get back to work I am hoping that it works coming out of hibernate. Is that how a modern OS should be ? I have a Windows 10 machine that has stopped getting updates. I am satisfied with that. I consider that Windows 10 machine 'reliable' now that Microsoft isn't breaking things for me.
omosubi 2mo ago
what company would be better positioned for this than MS? almost every company out there runs their most important workflows on MS software
nijave 2mo ago
>does this mean Microsoft's model is best at fixing Microsoft products In theory, they have tons of network-type data and at least some Linux data from Azure. In practice... Good question... Identity is somewhat standard-ish LDAP/Kerberos/OIDC (ok, sure, they've added a bit of creativity)

by gste 2mo ago

tolugenius 2mo ago

> does this mean Microsoft's model is best at fixing Microsoft products "You're absolutely right, I shouldn't have delete your entire C drive. That's on me." In serious, this would be a good advantage for Microsoft to consider, I just doubt they'd do it well.

risyachka 2mo ago
Considering they can't fix their login for decades, I am with you on this one

theDoug 2mo ago

I do hope they also use it to that effect.

wtfHN26 2mo ago

> If I'm being frivolous, does this mean Microsoft's model is best at fixing Microsoft products because they have trillions of data points on problems with Microsoft products Do they want to fix Microsoft Products ? My laptop came with Windows 11. Windows update broke hibernate few weeks back. When laptop gets out of hibernate - Wifi works for a few minutes and then once in a while the Wifi Adapter isn't detected. I need to reboot to fix the issue, this has screwed up my workflow. Wasting a lot of time. After troubleshooting a lot, I now only hope one day it gets fixed on it's own thanks to some new update. If Microsoft has money to invest in AI models, they could sure fix Windows 11 which I assume is one of their core products. I wish in a few years Microsoft realize that screwing over their Desktop users to chase Cloud and AI wasn't worth it. And by that time it's too late to get back the user base.

cyanydeez 2mo ago
Escaping their programming ability, Window's major issue is everything has backwards compability, so they design everything with spaghetti because they have no choice.
- gkbrk 2mo ago
  Wine has better backwards-compatibility than Windows these days.
  - genxy 2mo ago
    The Windows Compatibility Layer for Windows will be Wine someday.
- AnthonyMouse 2mo ago
  Backwards compatibility was the one thing Windows got right. It was the only real reason to use it. But backwards compatibility isn't actually that hard if you're not horrendously mismanaged to begin with. You have some ancient miserable APIs from the 1990s that you still have to support, fine, but that's not actually that bad. Old APIs tend to be small because computers were small that far back, you write a compatibility layer and can keep using it. By definition the old stuff never changes so you only have to do it once. The actual problem is that Microsoft is full of little fiefdoms. Because what they should do, after becoming a huge behemoth with the resources to do it (which has been the case for more than two decades), is to design a set of good, modern APIs, also only once. Something that you're happy to support forever because you took the time to get it right. Then you only have to support that and the little compatibility layer for truly ancient software. Instead, they have an army of middle managers who are practically at war with each other to show that they can introduce some kind of novel "improvement", the vast majority of which quickly fall out of favor but then have to be supported indefinitely if you don't want to break backwards compatibility. And that makes backwards compatibility a huge ordeal because every year there is more poorly-engineered rubbish you have to support forever.
- wtfHN26 2mo ago
  > Escaping their programming ability, Window's major issue is everything has backwards compability, so they design everything with spaghetti because they have no choice. I do agree with you on this. But as a consumer that's not my concern. I am at least a Windows user since three decades, I know my way around the OS and did extensive troubleshooting. What happens to a normal Windows user ? I have developed habits and workflow on my machine to optimize my time. Now every time I get back to work I am hoping that it works coming out of hibernate. Is that how a modern OS should be ? I have a Windows 10 machine that has stopped getting updates. I am satisfied with that. I consider that Windows 10 machine 'reliable' now that Microsoft isn't breaking things for me.

omosubi 2mo ago

what company would be better positioned for this than MS? almost every company out there runs their most important workflows on MS software

nijave 2mo ago

>does this mean Microsoft's model is best at fixing Microsoft products In theory, they have tons of network-type data and at least some Linux data from Azure. In practice... Good question... Identity is somewhat standard-ish LDAP/Kerberos/OIDC (ok, sure, they've added a bit of creativity)